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There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
Hi BD,
Even demons believe and their belief has more substance than that of many men.
True knowledge opens the door to salvation but obedience is demanded too.
Judgement begins in the house of God but what of the godless?[1Peter]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2009,16:39) Hi BD,
Even demons believe and their belief has more substance than that of many men.
True knowledge opens the door to salvation but obedience is demanded too.
Judgement begins in the house of God but what of the godless?[1Peter]
You didn't answer the question. It does not pertain to the Godless.Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
Since God is apparently omnipotent, he could do as he chooses, so the potential is obviously there. We could also ask why God would create men only to condemn them to either eternal punishment or oblivion. According to most on this site at least, the success rate for salvation is quite low compared to the general population. Man would seem to be a rather flawed creation if so many of us are doomed to the scrap heap of eternity. Or perhaps our notions of salvation and eternity are simply wrong.Cato…..I do agree with that assessment, If we go by “religious” assessments of salvation, God would be a complete looser when it comes to saving His creation. But I think most of those “religious” assessments are in error. When we take in concideration of the Solid influence of God's HOLY SPIRIT (intellect) He can give us, which changes our thinking to conform the reality of the truth, and also consider that salvation is (not) and OPTION, but a (CREATION), for we are (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. I think we have more going for us all then we realize, not because of ourselves or our choices, but because of who our heavenly FATHER is and HIS POWER to effect His WILL on HIS complete CREATION. IMO
gene
Hi Cato,
Yes men often suggest they could have done it better.
But the way of rescue from the wrath of God is not that hard.
Rebirth into the suffering servant who has done the hard work is easy.
Thus we are recreated unto continuing his works until the time of his return.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 30 2009,05:06) Hi Cato,
Yes men often suggest they could have done it better.
But the way of rescue from the wrath of God is not that hard.
Rebirth into the suffering servant who has done the hard work is easy.
Thus we are recreated unto continuing his works until the time of his return.
What hard work is that?Nick,
Two thieves died on the cross by the sides of Jesus according to the NT scriptures and one Jesus chose to go to heaven with him so did that thief do the hard work too?
Why don't you feel compassion for others who were crucified? Surely they shouldn't have been crucified either and who knows if they were even guilty as we see from Jesus their whole system was corrupt.
Hi BD,
Folk die every day, many for the sake of their false religions, but that is not obedience to God
Why should we change the teaching of God to suit our ideas of justice?
I did not realise your religion was of humanistic compassion.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 30 2009,09:38) Hi BD,
Folk die every day, many for the sake of their false religions, but that is not obedience to God
Why should we change the teaching of God to suit our ideas of justice?
I did not realise your religion was of humanistic compassion.
So you believe that Jesus suffered more than anyone else ever did?Hi BD,
No.
His suffering and death was the sacrifice God required to offer forgiveness to all men.
Now men can come to have their sins washed away in his blood and be gifted with eternal life in the same Spirit that he lives by.Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
Hi BD:Yes, He can. It is written:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Love in Christ,
MartySo who is safe? Well if it is solely belief in Jesus as saviour, we can take away all non-Christians; Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jain, Taoist, Shinto, Athiest, and Pagans that alone takes away 2/3 to 3/4 of the world's populace right there alone. Now if we add the born again part we can remove the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and many mainstream Protestants. Now we have the Trinitarian and anti-trinitarian debate, one of them is wrong, but maybe it isn't all that important to being saved. What it all ends up is that the vast bulk of humanity is doomed. Damned to eternal punishment or destruction depending on your take of not being saved. Wow when you think about it, it is almost better not to be born then to risk being fried for all eternity. Yes that really sounds like a divine plan formulated by a loving God of perfect intelligence and supreme power.
Quote (Cato @ Sep. 30 2009,23:35) So who is safe? Well if it is solely belief in Jesus as saviour, we can take away all non-Christians; Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jain, Taoist, Shinto, Athiest, and Pagans that alone takes away 2/3 to 3/4 of the world's populace right there alone. Now if we add the born again part we can remove the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and many mainstream Protestants. Now we have the Trinitarian and anti-trinitarian debate, one of them is wrong, but maybe it isn't all that important to being saved. What it all ends up is that the vast bulk of humanity is doomed. Damned to eternal punishment or destruction depending on your take of not being saved. Wow when you think about it, it is almost better not to be born then to risk being fried for all eternity. Yes that really sounds like a divine plan formulated by a loving God of perfect intelligence and supreme power.
The original post has nothing to do with God saving whomever he pleases including whether someone has directly accepted Christ or not?If you read the scriptures you will see there is only condemnation of acts that people do and the people who do them. Obviously the good samaritan in the parable of Jesus was not of the same belief as the man he helped but Jesus called him good.
Hi BD,
Not so.
Read Jn3 and you will see the real issue is belief in the Holy One of God, Jesus Christ.
Failure to heed and respond to the rescue offer he brings means men, and all have sinned, condemn themselvesQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2009,07:40) Hi BD,
Not so.
Read Jn3 and you will see the real issue is belief in the Holy One of God, Jesus Christ.
Failure to heed and respond to the rescue offer he brings means men, and all have sinned, condemn themselves
You seem to not understand the actual message of JesusJohn 17:3-5 (King James Version)
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
You seem to believe that God sent Jesus so that people would believe in Jesus when in-fact Jesus was sent so that Jesus would lead those who did not believe in God to God.
Jesus was sent for the Glory of God not the other way around.
Believing in Jesus requires the belief in the One Who sent him not the other way around.
Hi BD,
His work is complete so why not join in the benefits?
Standing outside the kingdom throwing stones is unhelpful.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2009,10:47) Hi BD,
His work is complete so why not join in the benefits?
Standing outside the kingdom throwing stones is unhelpful.
Yes, so please stop throwing stones nick and be as the cornerstone and give up judgementHi BD,
The same stumbling stone you tripped on will be the judge.
Listen to him – he is the Son of GodQuote (Cato @ Sep. 30 2009,23:35) So who is safe? Well if it is solely belief in Jesus as saviour, we can take away all non-Christians; Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jain, Taoist, Shinto, Athiest, and Pagans that alone takes away 2/3 to 3/4 of the world's populace right there alone. Now if we add the born again part we can remove the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and many mainstream Protestants. Now we have the Trinitarian and anti-trinitarian debate, one of them is wrong, but maybe it isn't all that important to being saved. What it all ends up is that the vast bulk of humanity is doomed. Damned to eternal punishment or destruction depending on your take of not being saved. Wow when you think about it, it is almost better not to be born then to risk being fried for all eternity. Yes that really sounds like a divine plan formulated by a loving God of perfect intelligence and supreme power.
Hi Cato:As John 3:17 states: “God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him”.
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.Quote Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. And so, the ark of safety is the body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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