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Quote (Colter @ April 15 2012,05:19) If one takes and honest look at Genesis they can see that their were already people living outside the garden of Eden.
Hi Colter,I agree with this part of your post, and even started a thread concerning this. You can read or comment here if you're interested.
Kerwin,
Don't overthink it. Just remember two things:
1. Luke 24:39
a spirit does not have flesh2. 1 Cor 15:45
the last Adam [became] a life-giving spiritQuote (Colter @ April 15 2012,22:19) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2012,16:35) Colter, You follow a strange teaching that is not found in Scripture; but you know that. Adam was not an angel of any kind but instead was created a little lower than the angels. He was without sin until he disobeyed and ate of the tree Yahweh declared would bring death. It brought death and decay to both Adam and all creation under him; for mankind became enslaved to sin through their spirit that falls short of God’s glory.
There is no way to do all God commands with such a flawed spirit. Jesus was sent and so came to save mankind from their flawed spirit. An angel could not do that for it is a flaw of mankind; and not of angels. Jesus first demonstrated that a human being could live according to the ways of the Spirit of God and then sacrificed himself so that others through faith in him could do the same.
Kerwin,The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. Jesus made it clear that man could “go and sin no more” by the power of the rebirth of the spirit. We are surely influenced by the fallen world that we are born into but sin is to know the will of God and a deliberate choice to do otherwise.
Adam and Eve materialised on a previously populated earth, death or translation is normal for man, earth is not our permanent home. The beast was already evil, Satan was already working against the will of God on the earth. Adam and Eve were incarnate as full grown adults, they were educated and spoke the same language as the crafty beast.
If one takes and honest look at Genesis they can see that their were already people living outside the garden of Eden. Can and Able laboured and made contributions to the religious order of Adams religion.
The story of Adam and Eve was almost 40 thousands years old by the time that oral tradition was written down.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Adam was nearly 1000 years old when he died yet that was only in ch 5 of Genesis. The same with the others spoken of.There is plenty of scope for early sons to have fathered many, many generations and populated whole countries by then.
Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,02:08) col Quote The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. sorry but Christ is the reason for it
“forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”Hi Colter,
Is your faith in what is written down dependant on men or the Spirit?
Is the better alternative trust in your own opinions?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,06:26) Quote (Colter @ April 15 2012,22:19) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2012,16:35) Colter, You follow a strange teaching that is not found in Scripture; but you know that. Adam was not an angel of any kind but instead was created a little lower than the angels. He was without sin until he disobeyed and ate of the tree Yahweh declared would bring death. It brought death and decay to both Adam and all creation under him; for mankind became enslaved to sin through their spirit that falls short of God’s glory.
There is no way to do all God commands with such a flawed spirit. Jesus was sent and so came to save mankind from their flawed spirit. An angel could not do that for it is a flaw of mankind; and not of angels. Jesus first demonstrated that a human being could live according to the ways of the Spirit of God and then sacrificed himself so that others through faith in him could do the same.
Kerwin,The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. Jesus made it clear that man could “go and sin no more” by the power of the rebirth of the spirit. We are surely influenced by the fallen world that we are born into but sin is to know the will of God and a deliberate choice to do otherwise.
Adam and Eve materialised on a previously populated earth, death or translation is normal for man, earth is not our permanent home. The beast was already evil, Satan was already working against the will of God on the earth. Adam and Eve were incarnate as full grown adults, they were educated and spoke the same language as the crafty beast.
If one takes and honest look at Genesis they can see that their were already people living outside the garden of Eden. Can and Able laboured and made contributions to the religious order of Adams religion.
The story of Adam and Eve was almost 40 thousands years old by the time that oral tradition was written down.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Adam was nearly 1000 years old when he died yet that was only in ch 5 of Genesis. The same with the others spoken of.There is plenty of scope for early sons to have fathered many, many generations and populated whole countries by then.
The incest theory or excuse making isn't necessary, humans have been on the earth for 1,000,000 years, that's why we keep digging up their bones all over the world.Adam and Eves's sin brought death specifically to them. They lost the use of the tree of life.
Colter
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,08:14) Hi Colter,
Is your faith in what is written down dependant on men or the Spirit?
Is the better alternative trust in your own opinions?
My faith is in God just as Jesus taught and practised. I'm already saved.Colter
Hi Colter,
It is just that to maintain fellowship with the Father and the Son you must abide in the teachings[2jn9]Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,14:49) Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,02:08) col Quote The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. sorry but Christ is the reason for it
“forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”
colif Christ was not willingly given up his man like live ,we would not have access to Gods grace
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:48) Hi Colter,
So we should hear what is written through you?
Book worshipping robot!Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,10:02) Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,14:49) Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,02:08) col Quote The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. sorry but Christ is the reason for it
“forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”
colif Christ was not willingly given up his man like live ,we would not have access to Gods grace
That's from the pagan religion of human sacrifice. God has always been the same, grace has always been available.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,11:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:48) Hi Colter,
So we should hear what is written through you?
Book worshipping robot!
Hi Colter,
No we do not worship the book but the God Whose Spirit wrote it through men.You prefer to be free from such service?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,11:38) Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,11:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:48) Hi Colter,
So we should hear what is written through you?
Book worshipping robot!
Hi Colter,
No we do not worship the book but the God Whose Spirit wrote it through men.You prefer to be free from such service?
God never wrote nor inspired such a convoluted mess. The current books of the Bible were written by holy men, some more holy then others. But you are welcome to believe what ever you want.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,06:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,10:02) Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,14:49) Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2012,02:08) col Quote The theory of inherent original sin is not part of Jesus' Gospel. sorry but Christ is the reason for it
“forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”
colif Christ was not willingly given up his man like live ,we would not have access to Gods grace
That's from the pagan religion of human sacrifice. God has always been the same, grace has always been available.Colter
Colter,Self sacrifice is not considered human sacrifice; even to this day.
Sacrificing oneself to kill enemies is righteous; even as Samson gave his life. Sacrifice oneself to save the souls of your people; is more important than saving their lives.
Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,04:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,08:14) Hi Colter,
Is your faith in what is written down dependant on men or the Spirit?
Is the better alternative trust in your own opinions?
My faith is in God just as Jesus taught and practised. I'm already saved.Colter
Colter;You have fallen as it is God who judges you; not you.
James 4:9
King James Version (KJV)9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Quote (kerwin @ April 16 2012,17:36) Quote (Colter @ April 16 2012,04:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,08:14) Hi Colter,
Is your faith in what is written down dependant on men or the Spirit?
Is the better alternative trust in your own opinions?
My faith is in God just as Jesus taught and practised. I'm already saved.Colter
Colter;You have fallen as it is God who judges you; not you.
James 4:9
King James Version (KJV)9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
I'm not sure what you are talking about, if you are saved you should already know it. If you are spirit born and dedicated to doing Gods will then you should understand my words. Instead, it sounds as if you are judging me.Colter
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