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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,20:56) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,06:16) SF so each time your boss gives you a task this means that he gives you his position,?
Pierre
Of course not, but if I am the Manager than I do the task of a Manager.If your a creator than you create.
So since they are one and the Same, and that Jesus Christ is the creator.
Pierre Who created you? God or Jesus?
SFGod is the creator,Christ is the manager (son)
just like a architect create but he does not build it is his contractor that builds for him but it will always be the architect building ,disregarding how many people worked at the project.
same with God he will and is the only creator ,does not matter how many participate ,right ?
we as preacher of the gospel participate in the spreading of Gods word ,this does not mean that it is now our word we preaching ,right ?
Pierre
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,22:25) Terrica,
You ignored my Question.Who Created you according to scripture?
God or Jesus?
SFI did answer you it is God who create all ,
all others are only participants that is what scriptures says
Pierre
SF Young man! By God's Holy Spirit we are one. Jesus and His Father are one the same way. That makes Jesus not His Father Almighty God. And Pierre is right, Jehovah God is our creator. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Simple as that. God created through His Son. Jehovah God is above all. By Jesus own words He says
Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.Jesus is not a Father, never was and never will….
Peace and love Irene the old galQuote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,09:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,22:25) Terrica,
You ignored my Question.Who Created you according to scripture?
God or Jesus?
SFI did answer you it is God who create all ,
all others are only participants that is what scriptures says
Pierre
Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created.You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.
Ill ask again: Who created you God or Jesus?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,11:00) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,09:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,22:25) Terrica,
You ignored my Question.Who Created you according to scripture?
God or Jesus?
SFI did answer you it is God who create all ,
all others are only participants that is what scriptures says
Pierre
Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created.You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.
Ill ask again: Who created you God or Jesus?
God creates through the Spirit of Christ.Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,23:55) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,11:00) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,09:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,22:25) Terrica,
You ignored my Question.Who Created you according to scripture?
God or Jesus?
SFI did answer you it is God who create all ,
all others are only participants that is what scriptures says
Pierre
Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created.You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.
Ill ask again: Who created you God or Jesus?
God creates through the Spirit of Christ.
Kerwinit is God who create all and used Christ to fulfill it
Pierre
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,22:13)
36: Jesus is implying that he was Sanctified and Sent into in the world.
By WHO? Himself?You agree that 37 says the second person does the works OF the first person mentioned. So TWO are mentioned, not ONE.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,22:13)
37 says the second person does the works OF the first person mentioned.
Give me a little time, and I'll find some other scriptures to refute this understanding. (I'm very tired tonight)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,22:13)
In other words he does Works that God soley does.
Rather it was God doing the works THROUGH Jesus. Just as God did the works in Egypt THROUGH Moses. By your understanding, Moses is also God because he did works “that God soley does”.peace,
mikeQuote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,23:00) Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created. You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.
Pierre isn't being dishonest D. There is not one scripture that says Jesus created anything at all, but that his God created everything THROUGH him.None of us know exactly what that means, or what role Jesus played. What we do know is that God has chosen to take full credit for creation, as shown in the prayer in Acts 4 and other places in scripture. (And Acts 4 shows clearly that GOD created everything and Jesus is NOT that “God”, but rather someone other than “God” through whom they prayed TO God. He is listed as “your Holy Servant”.)
mike
Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2011,23:55) God creates through the Spirit of Christ.
Close Kerwin.Actually God created through the spirit BEING Christ. You were only one word off.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,09:48) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2011,23:55) God creates through the Spirit of Christ.
Close Kerwin.Actually God created through the spirit BEING Christ. You were only one word off.
Mike Boll,Genesis 1:2 states that that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters. The Spirit of God is also called the Spirit of Christ. There is no specific mention of anyone else being involved in the Genesis creation account though the word Elohim is used.
The common belief is that the sons of God were not involved in creation except for being witnesses. You seem to disagree with that tenet.
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2011,04:10) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,23:55) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,11:00) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,09:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,22:25) Terrica,
You ignored my Question.Who Created you according to scripture?
God or Jesus?
SFI did answer you it is God who create all ,
all others are only participants that is what scriptures says
Pierre
Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created.You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.
Ill ask again: Who created you God or Jesus?
God creates through the Spirit of Christ.
Kerwinit is God who create all and used Christ to fulfill it
Pierre
That sounds correct.Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,22:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,09:48) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2011,23:55) God creates through the Spirit of Christ.
Close Kerwin.Actually God created through the spirit BEING Christ. You were only one word off.
Mike Boll,Genesis 1:2 states that that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters. The Spirit of God is also called the Spirit of Christ. There is no specific mention of anyone else being involved in the Genesis creation account though the word Elohim is used.
The common belief is that the sons of God were not involved in creation except for being witnesses. You seem to disagree with that tenet.
Actually, yes. I believe the “US” and “OUR” in Genesis refers to God's only begotten Son. Who else is said to be made in God's image except for mankind – and the Son who is the exact representation and visible image of Him?The “OUR image” would HAVE to be Jesus IMO, because mankind wasn't yet there, and no one else is said to share God's image.
mike
Mike Boll,
All the host of heaven is created in the image of God. Elohim can reference any, or all members of the host.
The host of heaven is also called the unity of the Spirit.
Consider this scripture.
Quote Ephesians 2:22 (Young's Literal Translation)
22in whom also ye are builded together, for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
God lives in each and every one of his servants from the spirit realms through his Spirit. So when elohim creates it is God acting through his Spirit to create.
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,23:01) Mike Boll, All the host of heaven is created in the image of God. Elohim can reference any, or all members of the host.
The host of heaven is also called the unity of the Spirit.
Consider this scripture.
Quote Ephesians 2:22 (Young's Literal Translation)
22in whom also ye are builded together, for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
God lives in each and every one of his servants from the spirit realms through his Spirit. So when elohim creates it is God acting through his Spirit to create.
KerwinGod does not live in us in a way that he is a physical part of us ,or that a part of him as a being is in us ,
but if we are recreating our selves according to his will we become one in his will ,and our actions will no longer be outside Gods will .in this way God will live in us and we in him.
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2011,04:15) Pierre, What or who do you believe the Spirit of God is?
KerwinGod is a spirit being,with a soul,and heart(feelings)but pure in love and truth ,
God says and all listen, the lovers of truth obey the others do not understand the voice of truth .
Dt 5:27 Go near and listen to all that the LORD our God says. Then tell us whatever the LORD our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”
2Ch 18:13 But Micaiah said, “As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what my God says.”
2Ch 24:20 Then the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest. He stood before the people and said, “This is what God says: ‘Why do you disobey the LORD'S commands? You will not prosper. Because you have forsaken the LORD, he has forsaken you.’ ”
Ps 50:16 But to the wicked, God says:
“What right have you to recite my laws
or take my covenant on your lips?Zec 11:4 This is what the LORD my God says: “Pasture the flock marked for slaughter.
Jn 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Ac 2:17 “ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.so if in your hearth you do not love truth how then can you obey what you do not understand.?the spirit of God is HIS WILL,some believe it is himself this is not true.it is from him ,
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:38) The “OUR image” would HAVE to be Jesus IMO, because mankind wasn't yet there, and no one else is said to share God's image.
MikeThen why do you say Jesus was an “angel”?
WJ
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2011,23:01) All the host of heaven is created in the image of God.
You may be right, but what scripture tells you this?I only know of mankind and Jesus who are made in the image of God. I assume angels are too, but there is no scripture to that effect.
Nor is there any mention of angels playing a part in the creation of anything.
So again, since mankind wasn't yet there, and we know all things came to be through Jesus, and we know that he is also made in the image of his God……………who else could the “OUR IMAGE” refer to?
mike
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