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Hi All,
Simply Forgiven (Dennison) believes Jesus is God Almighty, however he does not believe in the Trinity Doctrine. This is because he believes Jesus to be God the Father Himself.
I was hoping he could show some scriptural support of this theory, one scripture at a time, so we could come to understand why he believes this way, and either support or refute his understanding with scriptures.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,20:45) Hi All, Simply Forgiven (Dennison) believes Jesus is God Almighty, however he does not believe in the Trinity Doctrine. This is because he believes Jesus to be God the Father Himself.
I was hoping he could show some scriptural support of this theory, one scripture at a time, so we could come to understand why he believes this way, and either support or refute his understanding with scriptures.
peace and love,
mike
Mikethere are no scriptures to support that believe
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
Of course there aren't. There are MANY to refute it, as a matter of fact. But we should give the boy a chance to defend, or at least explain how he came to this understanding, don't you think?
mike
“If I am not doing the works of My Father, do not have belief in Me; But if I am doing them, then have belief in the works even if you have no belief in Me; so that you may see clearly and be certain that the Father is in Me and I am in the Father” (John 10:37-38 BBE).
Well, right off the bat, we can see TWO people mentioned: “I”, and “my Father”. How does this scripture teach you that the “I” and the “Father” are the same?
Even the words “the Father is in me” are a clue. If the Father, ONE PERSON, is IN “me”, then “me” is not “the Father” who is IN “me”.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,09:47) Well, right off the bat, we can see TWO people mentioned: “I”, and “my Father”. How does this scripture teach you that the “I” and the “Father” are the same? Even the words “the Father is in me” are a clue. If the Father, ONE PERSON, is IN “me”, then “me” is not “the Father” who is IN “me”.
mike
Thannn Mike you have a problem?
?You have a Father and a Son who are two different people inside one body?
well who is in the Father and who is in the Son?
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
Does Jesus pray for the disciples to also become God Almighty? And WHO is he praying to in the first place?mike
“that you may see clearly and be certain that the Father is in Me and I am in the Father”
So Could I also conclude that Its obvisuly something you can see and be certain that the Father and Jesus are in the same body?
In this case we can also see the Father correct? yes or no?Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,10:07) 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
Does Jesus pray for the disciples to also become God Almighty? And WHO is he praying to in the first place?mike
John 17 is not part of my Proof Text.
You SAID AND QOUTE!Quote one scripture at a time, so we could come to understand why he believes this way, and either support or refute his understanding with scriptures.
And Im doing Just that!So how come you breaking your own rules mike??
Either accept it or refute itQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,23:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,10:07) 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
Does Jesus pray for the disciples to also become God Almighty? And WHO is he praying to in the first place?mike
John 17 is not part of my Proof Text.
You SAID AND QOUTE!Quote one scripture at a time, so we could come to understand why he believes this way, and either support or refute his understanding with scriptures.
And Im doing Just that!So how come you breaking your own rules mike??
Either accept it or refute it
Are you kidding me? Are you seriously saying that I can't also use a scripture that shows your understanding of your own scripture to be flawed and inconsistent?Answer my questions, please.
mike
Yes seriously beceause we havent discussed this scripture at all, and you havent anwered any of my questions.
The topic of this particular verse is that Jesus is stateing that its clearly shows the Father is in him, and that he is in the father.
So lets stick to that. You are already diverting to another topic.
If you wish, use the Context! Thats what this is about. sticking to this particular verse! this is what YOU WANTED!
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,23:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,10:07) 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
Does Jesus pray for the disciples to also become God Almighty? And WHO is he praying to in the first place?mike
John 17 is not part of my Proof Text.
You SAID AND QOUTE!Quote one scripture at a time, so we could come to understand why he believes this way, and either support or refute his understanding with scriptures.
And Im doing Just that!So how come you breaking your own rules mike??
Either accept it or refute it
Dexplain to us;how could Jesus glorify his father?
and how could his father be in him ?
and how could Jesus and his father be one ,even his father is in heaven and he is on the earth ?
and how could Jesus be in his father and yet the father be in a different place?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2011,11:04) D explain to us;how could Jesus glorify his father?
and how could his father be in him ?
and how could Jesus and his father be one ,even his father is in heaven and he is on the earth ?
and how could Jesus be in his father and yet the father be in a different place?
Pierre
Actually Pierre those are good questions,(By the way I seeing your effort in trying to be nicer, and trying to be more understanding, I appreciate your effort and Im hoping you continue not to judge so quickly, but judge righteously of course)
im waiting for Mike to answer those same questions.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 02 2011,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2011,11:04) D explain to us;how could Jesus glorify his father?
and how could his father be in him ?
and how could Jesus and his father be one ,even his father is in heaven and he is on the earth ?
and how could Jesus be in his father and yet the father be in a different place?
Pierre
Actually Pierre those are good questions,(By the way I seeing your effort in trying to be nicer, and trying to be more understanding, I appreciate your effort and Im hoping you continue not to judge so quickly, but judge righteously of course)
im waiting for Mike to answer those same questions.
SFthanks for your respond with kindness,
so we will both wait
Pierre
This is very simple, D. If you are claiming “the Father is in me” is proof that Jesus IS the Father, then the fact that the statement mentions TWO should be enough.
But if you don't understand that, then the scripture that shows that the Father will also be “in us” should be enough to show you that “in me” does not mean that “me” is God Himself.
mike
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