Is god the name of our creator?

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

I'm just curious what you all think about this.  Most information you can Google will tell you that “god” is the NAME of our Creator.  But is this info really accurate?

Many have been called “god” in scripture.  Does “god” then become their personal NAME also?  Satan is called “god”, so is “god” his NAME?  Moses was called “god”, but we know his NAME is “Moses”, right?  Deborah was called “god”, but her NAME is “Deborah”.  Jesus is called “god”, but his NAME is “Jesus”.

Which brings us to our Creator.  He is also called “god”, but we know His NAME is YHVH, commonly transliterated as “Jehovah” or “Yahweh”.  So is “god” actually His NAME?  Or is His NAME actually YHVH, and “god” is a TITLE given to many?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Hey All,

I would like to get everyone's vote on this poll…………….PLEASE?  

I'm especially curious if Keith, Jack, SF, or Francis have voted.  If they haven't, I urge them to do so………….again, PLEASE?  

thanks,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Is anyone going to reveal how they voted?  I'm interested to know who voted that “God” is the NAME of our Creator……………and why.

mike

[shimmer]

Mike, I did a study into this ages ago with Bodhitharta. The word God is a title. Allah (the God of Islam) means God. The only name Jesus used to pray was 'Father'. In Islam, Allah (God) isnt the Father to anyone. And in the 99 names of Allah, not one is 'Father'.

[mikeboll64]

Hi Shimmer,

You are correct that “God” is a title.  “Father” is also a title.  God told us what His actual personal name is:

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “YHVH. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘YHVH has sent me to you.’”

“This is my NAME forever,
  the name you shall call me
  from generation to generation.”

Thanks for your post.  

peace and love to you,
mike

[kerwin]

To all,

Names have meaning in Scripture so God is a name of our creator as well as a title.  He has other names which are also titles.  The reason God is his name is because he is The God.

[Proclaimer]

Interesting comment Kerwin.

Sounds like the following:

adam is the word for man(kind) but the first man was called Adam.
Is this the same with God?

[mikeboll64]

Hi Kerwin,

Many share the title “god”, but none except our Creator are named YHVH.

Mr. President also has meaning, but it is not Barak Obama's name.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Keith, did you vote? Jack? Dennison?

This thread is also to prove a point to you three and Francis.

Please vote, and let me know how you voted.

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

all

what s a name for ??

is it not to distinct all from each other ?

so if we receive info from anyone that make his name known to us ,by telling us his name ,would that not mean that this is the distinction from others ??

but since there are many gods ,would his name not be to differentiate between all those gods ?? so that we can make the choice of whom we want to worship ?

but Christ the son of the true God made us know him as father why is that
is the term father not something closer in relationship than the term God ??

the tittle of God make us respect the authority of power of that tittle ,

but father also carries authority but it also carry a direct relationship to us in a personal way,not of faraway but close ,in our hearths,

I believe this is the way that the true God the father of Christ wants all his sons call him and be close to him forever ,so that it is a close relationship and not a distant one.

Pierre

[Baker]

Mike!  I voted that God is a title, Kerwin you are wrong God is not His name.  In the footnotes of the Rye study Bible tells us that because the translators were afraid to use Jehovah or Yahweh in Hebrew in vain, so they used a title instead.  In Ancient times God was used for a Mighty One often.  There are many scriptures that use God or LORD in all capital letters. In fact 6,823 times in the OT.  Yet only uses Jehovah four times…it is no wonder that people think God is His name….The definition of Almighty Jehovah means
The everlasting one,
The self-existing one,
The immortal one….
In my King James Bible in the OT it mostly uses LORD, ad in the NT Lord for Jesus….
Nobody else can claim that…..
Peace and love Irene

[karmarie]

Hi.

Father is more personal. Jesus called God father, aren't we supposed to follow him? That's how Jesus prayed. And as I said, muslims pray to God, Allah is just arabic for the title 'God'. But theres no mention of father in it. The muslim God is not a father, it's in the quran. Jesus said to call no man father for we have one father in heaven, and Jesus showed the apostles how to pray 'our father who art in heaven' and theres no proof that Jesus ever used any name…is there? If there is id be interested to hear.

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

While “God“ and God's name (יהוה) both Theomatically equal “26“; “God” is still merely 'a title'.
The name of our “Father“(=58), matches precisely with the pronunciation of his name,
(יהוה) YHVH YÄ-hä-vā(=58)

YHVH(=63), from  small  to  LARGE, is at THE CENTER of everything;
including being THEOMATICALLY at the center of “The Bible”(=63)

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
and the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16)

PS> For more on THEOMATICS…   Click Here
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[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

Jesus did call our God “Father” most frequently.  And I pray to Him as “Father” and “Lord” and “God” and “Jehovah”.  And there's nothing wrong with that at all.  But out of those four words I listed above, only ONE of them is an actual NAME……………as in the PERSONAL name of someone.  The rest are all titles.

They are titles that show honor and respect and love, etc, but they are titles nonetheless.

I wasn't trying to imply that calling our Creator by a title, such as “Creator” is wrong.  I was trying to prove to Jack and Francis and Dennison and Keith that just because every single source you can find lists “God” as the NAME of our Creator doesn't mean they are right.  They are wrong, and this polls clearly shows that most of us here know that “God” is not the NAME of our “God”, but a TITLE.

I was both curious as to what you all thought, and also trying to prove a point that just because the “experts” all say God is a NAME, does not make all of those “experts” right.  

Similarly, just because all the “experts” say that “elohim” MEANS “God” does not make them right.  It most certainly does NOT “MEAN” God.  It is often used to REFER TO the One we in English call our God, but the word itself MEANS “fear” or “might” or “strong one”.  The word “elohim” did not MEAN the same thing to the Hebrews as our English word “God” MEANS to us today, although it was most often used to REFER TO that One.

And I took much flak in another thread for holding my ground on this point.  So I thought I use the similar example of all the experts thinking God is the NAME of our Creator to show these naysayers that one should not necessarily believe everything he reads……….no matter how many “experts” say it.

Karmarie, the oldest fragments of the NT that we have use the Hebrew letters YHVH mixed in with the Greek text.  What that means is that the NT writers most likely DID still print the NAME of Jehovah in their books at first.  And if they were still printing that Name in the first century A.D., then it is also a possibility that Jesus and others actually SAID the name of God out loud.

There is no proof of this, but Jesus was adamant that he “made your NAME known”.  This could refer to making God's good qualities known, but it also could refer to making His actual Name, YHVH, known.

Anyway, I think it's interesting that it was sometime AFTER the NT writers, that many mentions of YHVH were later changed to “Lord”.

peace and love to all of you,
and thanks for your help with this project,
mike

[karmarie]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2011,16:52)

it is also a possibility that Jesus and others actually SAID the name of God out loud. There is no proof of this, but Jesus was adamant that he “made your NAME known”.  This could refer to making God's good qualities known, but it also could refer to making His actual Name, YHVH, known.

Thats interesting, thanks. You could look at it either way. God knows our hearts and what we are thinking before we even say it.

[terraricca]

all

it is imposible to be a father if you do not have a son(s)

and it also true that if you have sons you are a father.

Ge 6:2 the sons of God

Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Ro 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Ro 8:19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.

Gal 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,

Pierre

[kerwin]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2011,11:14)

Interesting comment Kerwin. Sounds like the following: adam is the word for man(kind) but the first man was called Adam. Is this the same with God?

That is what I have come to understand.

[kerwin]

To all,

YHWH may simply mean “He is” in connection to his answer to Moses when the later asked what his name is.

So there may be no uniques name for God.

El as in Elohim means “god” from what I have come to understand.

[mikeboll64]

Hi Kerwin,

YHVH didn't just answer a question from Moses.  He went on to say, “Tell them YHVH, the God of your forefathers has sent you.”

It is most definitely the PERSONAL NAME that God gave to Moses.  For He also said, “This is my NAME forever, the NAME you shall call me from generation to generation.”

And the word “el” is thought by most to have meant “fear” or “strong” or “mighty”.  It is used for human judges as well as angels, Satan, and God Himself. So it can REFER TO GOD, but it doesn't mean “God” as we understand the word today. For we would never call Judge Judy “God Judy”, would we? We would not see an angel and say we saw “God”, would we?

And while David refered to human kings as “elohim”, which meant “mighty ones”, we would never today refer to human kings as “Gods”, would we?

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2011,20:50)

Hi Kerwin, YHVH didn't just answer a question from Moses.  He went on to say, “Tell them YHVH, the God of your forefathers has sent you.” It is most definitely the PERSONAL NAME that God gave to Moses.  For He also said, “This is my NAME forever, the NAME you shall call me from generation to generation.” And the word “el” is thought by most to have meant “fear” or “strong” or “mighty”.  It is used for human judges as well as angels, Satan, and God Himself.  So it can REFER TO GOD, but it doesn't mean “God” as we understand the word today.  For we would never call Judge Judy “God Judy”, would we?  We would not see an angel and say we saw “God”, would we? And while David refered to human kings as “elohim”, which meant “mighty ones”, we would never today refer to human kings as “Gods”, would we? mike

Mike

i have read somewhere that the word FATHER means the live giver ,so the starter of live ,the first ,the head of all ,and more

i start to believe the fact that Jesus talked much about his father and our father ,

i would not be surprise that his name to us is Father.is He not the FATHER of all creation ??

Pierre

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