Is God Almighty One? Two? Or Three?

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35)

apostles never use the term TRINITY. can you read a verse simply forgiven?? let me share what paul said 1 Corinthians 4:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6Brothers and sisters, I have applied this to Apollos and myself for your sake. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. Then you won’t arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. now read me a verse that they use the word TRINITY:D

Maybe you have a problem reading.

why don't you go back and read what i was saying little one.

Im saying what you teach, is called Trinity.
I don't believe in Trinity so for myself its a moot point.

However you claim not to believe in Trinity but your teaching the doctrine of it.

You will never find the word Trinity in the bible, yes this is true.

[jammin]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,01:06)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35) apostles never use the term TRINITY. can you read a verse simply forgiven?? let me share what paul said 1 Corinthians 4:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6Brothers and sisters, I have applied this to Apollos and myself for your sake. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. Then you won’t arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. now read me a verse that they use the word TRINITY:D Maybe you have a problem reading. why don't you go back and read what i was saying little one.   Im saying what you teach, is called Trinity.   I don't believe in Trinity so for myself its a moot point. However you claim not to believe in Trinity but your teaching the doctrine of it.   You will never find the word Trinity in the bible, yes this is true.

you said: i claim not to believe in trinity

i said i never teach the word “TRINITY”. THE WORD TRINITY CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!
MAYBE YOU NEED AN EYEGLASSES TOO. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 11 2012,20:20)

before i answer your next question, do you now agree that created being angels or human are not equal with GOD and dont have the SAME NATURE AS GOD?

I agree that created beings like Jesus and the OTHER angels of God are not equal with God.

I can't answer about “nature” until you tell me what you think “God nature” even is.

[jammin]

let me post what i said

christ (a person) , father(a person)
christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD.
the word “trinity” cant be found in the bible. it's not the teachings of the apostle. they do not teach the term trinity.
they teach that CHRIST HAD THE SAME NATURE AS GOD! HE IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

ANGELS ARE ALSO SPIRITUAL BEING MIKE. BUT YOU CANT READ THAT THEY ARE EQUAL WITH GOD! YOU CANT READ THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE AS GOD! YOU CANT READ THAT.

before i answer your next question, do you now agree that created being angels or human are not equal with GOD and dont have the SAME NATURE AS GOD?

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now you see simply forgiven how fool you are? hahahahha
what did i say??

i said THE WORD TRINITY CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE! THE APOSTLES DO NOT TEACH THAT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THAT'S WHY IM ASKING YOU TO FIND ME A VERSE IF YOU CAN SHOW ME THE WORD TRINITY IN THE BIBLE! HAHAHAHA

YOU NEED AN EYEGLASSES! HAHAHAAHAHA

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 11 2012,23:41)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2012,06:55) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 07 2012,19:05) christ is the son of GOD! not the father! Check, and mate, jammin! 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father……… YOUR OWN WORDS say that Christ is NOT the Father.  And the words of scripture say the Father is our ONE God.  In John 17:3, Jesus calls him the “ONLY true God”. You have just successfully killed your own doctrine, but are too blind to even know that. checkmate indeed…. so sad.

What?  Dennison, I'm confused by your statement.  

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 11 2012,23:41)

Mike your going to have your hands full with this one………

He's a handful, alright!  

[jammin]

nature of GOD

SUPREMACY He is not merely a different type of being or a superior being but the Supreme Being.

UNIQUENESS God is unique. The Bible describes Him in Greek as monogenesis, i.e., “one of a kind”, “having a unique nature.”

ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist. He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.

OMNISCIENCE He knows all things.

OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful.

OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time.

SELF-EXISTENT God is the only thing that had no beginning, that was not created by something else.

HOLINESS

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,05:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,01:06) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35) apostles never use the term TRINITY. can you read a verse simply forgiven?? let me share what paul said 1 Corinthians 4:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6Brothers and sisters, I have applied this to Apollos and myself for your sake. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. Then you won’t arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. now read me a verse that they use the word TRINITY:D Maybe you have a problem reading. why don't you go back and read what i was saying little one.   Im saying what you teach, is called Trinity.   I don't believe in Trinity so for myself its a moot point. However you claim not to believe in Trinity but your teaching the doctrine of it.   You will never find the word Trinity in the bible, yes this is true. you said: i claim not to believe in trinity i said i never teach the word “TRINITY”. THE WORD TRINITY CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE! MAYBE YOU NEED AN EYEGLASSES TOO. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Jammin,

Ok so do you believe in the doctrine of Tirnity yes or no?
And Yes I do wear eyeglasses, so what?

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,05:49)

let me post what i said christ (a person) , father(a person) christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD. the word “trinity” cant be found in the bible. it's not the teachings of the apostle. they do not teach the term trinity. they teach that CHRIST HAD THE SAME NATURE AS GOD! HE IS EQUAL WITH GOD! ANGELS ARE ALSO SPIRITUAL BEING MIKE. BUT YOU CANT READ THAT THEY ARE EQUAL WITH GOD! YOU CANT READ THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE AS GOD! YOU CANT READ THAT. before i answer your next question, do you now agree that created being angels or human are not equal with GOD and dont have the SAME NATURE AS GOD? ——————- now you see simply forgiven how fool you are? hahahahha what did i say?? i said THE WORD TRINITY CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE! THE APOSTLES DO NOT TEACH THAT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S WHY IM ASKING YOU TO FIND ME A VERSE IF YOU CAN SHOW ME THE WORD TRINITY IN THE BIBLE! HAHAHAHA YOU NEED AN EYEGLASSES! HAHAHAAHAHA

Actually umm your the fool here sir.

Why would I find a verse to teach about the Trinity when I dont belive in the Trinity.

By you stating that Jesus is equal to the Father but NOT the father is what “Trinity” teaches.

tsk tsk, such a fool.

Yes I have eyeglasses so i can read and see better but obviously you need help with your small comprehension.
soooo there isn't much we can do about that unless you better educate yourself from your ignorance.

good luck!

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2012,05:53)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 11 2012,23:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2012,06:55) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 07 2012,19:05) christ is the son of GOD! not the father! Check, and mate, jammin! 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father……… YOUR OWN WORDS say that Christ is NOT the Father.  And the words of scripture say the Father is our ONE God.  In John 17:3, Jesus calls him the “ONLY true God”. You have just successfully killed your own doctrine, but are too blind to even know that. checkmate indeed…. so sad. What?  Dennison, I'm confused by your statement.   Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 11 2012,23:41) Mike your going to have your hands full with this one……… He's a handful, alright!

Mike,

By what the jammin retard here stated, he juust killed his own doctrine and doesnt know it yet lol.

OF course I wouldnt ever say that Jesus is not the Father, as you already know.

And yes he is a handful of ignorance… and I see he is arrogant too. thats a sad mix.

[jammin]

read my post simplyforgiven
ill say it again, i do not teach the WORD TRINITY. THAT CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
i speak what the bible says.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,06:37)

read my post simplyforgiven ill say it again, i do not teach the WORD TRINITY. THAT CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. i speak what the bible says.

Jammin,

Trinity is not found in the bible, this is true.

Yet you said the following:

Quote

christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD

Do you realize what Trinitarians teach is what you just stated?
Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of God whom is equal with God as a peron but is not the Father whom is also another person.

now my question is that do you believe in the same doctrine yet don't call it trintiy?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

nature of GOD SUPREMACY He is not merely a different type of being or a superior being but the Supreme Being.

1 Corinthians 11:3
………the head of Christ is God.

It seems that Jesus has THE Supreme Being you mentioned as his HEAD.  Because you did say, “not A superior being, but THE Supreme Being”, right?

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

UNIQUENESS  God is unique.  The Bible describes Him in Greek as monogenesis, i.e., “one of a kind”, “having a unique nature.”

The word is “monogenes”, and it means “only begotten”.  It is used of Jesus in the scriptures, but never of his God, because God was not begotten by anyone.  Jesus, on the other hand, was.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist.  He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.

Micah 5:2
2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
  though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
  one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
  from ancient times.”

It seems Jesus DID have an origin, unlike his God.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNISCIENCE He knows all things.

Matthew 24:36
“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

It seems Jesus DOESN'T know all the things his Father and God knows.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful.

Micah 5:4
He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God.

It seems that Jesus is NOT all powerful, for he will rule in the strength of Yahweh, his God.  Don't forget that Jesus told us that his God was also our God.  It is in the strength of OUR ONE God that Jesus will rule.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time.

Aren't you the one who argues that Jesus is the only one COMING TO EARTH?  If one is omnipresent, that one is incapable of “COMING” or “GOING” anywhere, for they would already BE EVERYWHERE.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

SELF-EXISTENT God is the only thing that had no beginning, that was not created by something else.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Revelation 3:14
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

(Notice WHOSE creation Jesus is the beginning of.)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

HOLINESS

Well, you got me there.  But don't forget that many things are holy.  Animals, people, angels, utensils used in the worship of God, etc.

jammin, are you at least BEGINNING to see that what you have been taught about Jesus and his God is not even close to what the scriptures actually teach about them?

I mean, I have scripturally refuted every single claim you made. Surely you can see this, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 12 2012,19:37)

Mike, By what the jammin retard here stated, he juust killed his own doctrine and doesnt know it yet lol. OF course I wouldnt ever say that Jesus is not the Father, as you already know. And yes he is a handful of ignorance… and I see he is arrogant too. thats a sad mix.

Oh dang it! I thought you finally came over to the side of light and truth!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 12 2012,19:44)

Do you realize what Trinitarians teach is what you just stated? Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of God whom is equal with God as a peron but is not the Father whom is also another person. now my question is that do you believe in the same doctrine yet don't call it trintiy?

jammin,

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is also a person in the “Godhead”?

Or do you believe in a Binity God, made up only of Jesus and the Father?

[jammin]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,12:44)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,06:37) read my post simplyforgiven ill say it again, i do not teach the WORD TRINITY. THAT CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. i speak what the bible says. Jammin, Trinity is not found in the bible, this is true. Yet you said the following: Quote christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD Do you realize what Trinitarians teach is what you just stated? Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of God whom is equal with God as a peron but is not the Father whom is also another person. now my question is that do you believe in the same doctrine yet don't call it trintiy?

you agree that the word trinity is not found in the bible.

then we have nothing to discuss.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2012,12:50)

[/quote] nature of GOD 1 Corinthians 11:3 ………the head of Christ is God. It seems that Jesus has THE Supreme Being you mentioned as his HEAD.  Because you did say, “not A superior being, but THE Supreme Being”, right?

can you read in 1cor 11:3 that christ is not supreme being?
let me post the verse
1 Corinthians 11:3
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman,[a] and God is the head of Christ.

the meaning is
Every man is responsible to Christ, a woman is responsible to her husband, and Christ is responsible to God.

do you understand the difference between SUPREME and SUPREME BEING???

supreme being means –  the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the most exalted being, GOD.

let us see in the bible if christ is not supreme being

Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
 
6Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
     he did not take advantage of this equality.

now a while ago, you agreed that christ HAD THE SAME NATURE AS GOD. MAN AND CREATED ANGLES DO NOT HAVE THE FORM OF GOD!

CHRIST IS EQUAL WITH GOD! NO MAN OR CREATED ANGELS MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE EQUAL WITH GOD!

Quote (MIKE @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

UNIQUENESS  God is unique.  The Bible describes Him in Greek as monogenesis, i.e., “one of a kind”, “having a unique nature.” The word is “monogenes”, and it means “only begotten”.  It is used of Jesus in the scriptures, but never of his God, because God was not begotten by anyone.  Jesus, on the other hand, was.

GOD HAS A UNIQUE NATURE!
CHRIST HAD THAT SAME NATURE AS GOD!
THEY ARE EQUAL
Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
 
6Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist.  He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.   It seems Jesus DID have an origin, unlike his God.

christ is eternal
John 1:1
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
John 1

The Word Becomes Human

1In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

“In THE BEGINNING,” or, more literally, “in beginning,” for there is no article in the Greek. In what “beginning?” There are various “beginnings” referred to in the New Testament. There is the “beginning” of “the world” (Matthew 24:21); of “the gospel of Jesus Christ” (Mark 1:1); of “sorrows” (Mark 13:8); of “miracles” (or “signs”), (John 2:11), etc. But the “beginning” mentioned in John 1:1 clearly antedates all these “beginnings.” The “beginning” of John 1:1 precedes the making of the “all things” of John 1:3. It is then, the beginning of creation, the beginning of time. This earth of ours is old, how old we do not know, possibly millions of years. But “the word” was before all things. He was not only from the beginning, but He was “in the beginning.”

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNISCIENCE He knows all things. Matthew 24:36 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. It seems Jesus DOESN'T know all the things his Father and God knows.

did you notice what christ said?? did he say the SON OF GOD?

The Ethiopic version adds here, “nor the son”, and so the Cambridge copy of Beza's; which seems to be transcribed from Mark 13:32 where that phrase stands; and must be understood of Christ as the son of man, and not as the Son of God;
 that as he, as man and mediator, came not to destroy, but to save;

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful. Micah 5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God. It seems that Jesus is NOT all powerful, for he will rule in the strength of Yahweh, his God.  Don't forget that Jesus told us that his God was also our God.  It is in the strength of OUR ONE God that Jesus will rule.

i cant see in that verse that christ is not all powerful it does not say in the verse. it is just your opinion mike hahahahaha

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time. Aren't you the one who argues that Jesus is the only one COMING TO EARTH?  If one is omnipresent, that one is incapable of “COMING” or “GOING” anywhere, for they would already BE EVERYWHERE.

phil 2:7 NIV

7 rather, he made himself nothing
  by taking the very nature of a servant,
  being made in human likeness.

Jesus' human nature is not omnipresent. But, his nature as GOD

Matthew 28:19–20 (NASB95)
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

let me post again that christ has the nature of GOD
Philippians 2:6-7

New International Version (NIV)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
  did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

we do not have the same nature as GOD.
Therefore, we will not be omnipresent.

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

SELF-EXISTENT God is the only thing that had no beginning, that was not created by something else. Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. Revelation 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

again, i already told you about this many many times.
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT CHRIST IS CREATED! IT SAYS THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION

greek word is prototokos

GREEK LEXICON BY STRONG
prototokos pro-tot-ok'-os from 4413 and the alternate of 5088; first-born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively)

col 1:15 and rev 3:14 is not a literal meaning. hahahahaha

what does it mean?
let me post the verse again
Colossians 1:15

New Century Version (NCV)
The Importance of Christ

15 No one can see God, but Jesus Christ is exactly like him. He ranks higher than everything that has been made.

Revelation 3:14
New Century Version (NCV)
14 “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea:

  “The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of all God has made, says this:

see mike, hahahahaha
it says about the authority of christ! supremacy of christ! he ranks higher than everything that has been made! he is the ruler of all GOD has made!

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

HOLINESS Well, you got me there.  But don't forget that many things are holy.  Animals, people, angels, utensils used in the worship of God, etc.

if you say that many things are holy, it's a different topic mike. but you agree that christ is HOLY so we have nothing to discuss here further. hahahahaha

Quote (mike @ Jan. 12 2012,19:17)

jammin, are you at least BEGINNING to see that what you have been taught about Jesus and his God is not even close to what the scriptures actually teach about them?   I mean, I have scripturally refuted every single claim you made.  Surely you can see this, right?

now mike do you see how VAGUE IS YOUR EXPLANATION?? HAHAHAHAHA

DID YOU SEE HOW YOU TWIST THE WORD OF GOD???

HAHAHAHAHA

REPENT MIKE!

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,07:41)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,12:44) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,06:37) read my post simplyforgiven ill say it again, i do not teach the WORD TRINITY. THAT CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. i speak what the bible says. Jammin, Trinity is not found in the bible, this is true. Yet you said the following: Quote christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD Do you realize what Trinitarians teach is what you just stated? Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of God whom is equal with God as a peron but is not the Father whom is also another person. now my question is that do you believe in the same doctrine yet don't call it trintiy? you agree that the word trinity is not found in the bible. then we have nothing to discuss.

Do you agree that Jesus is eqaul to God?

Do you agree that the Trinity religion also teachs the same thing!?

[jammin]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,15:04)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,07:41) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,12:44) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2012,06:37) read my post simplyforgiven ill say it again, i do not teach the WORD TRINITY. THAT CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. i speak what the bible says. Jammin, Trinity is not found in the bible, this is true. Yet you said the following: Quote christ is not the father. the father is not the son. they are ONE in essence/nature, GOD Do you realize what Trinitarians teach is what you just stated? Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of God whom is equal with God as a peron but is not the Father whom is also another person. now my question is that do you believe in the same doctrine yet don't call it trintiy? you agree that the word trinity is not found in the bible. then we have nothing to discuss. Do you agree that Jesus is eqaul to God? Do you agree that the Trinity religion also teachs the same thing!?

what did i say?

i said the WORD TRINITY CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. and you agreed with that. hahahhaha

so do we still have a discussion here??
hahahahahaa

let me post what you said

simply forgiven said:
Jammin,

Trinity is not found in the bible, this is true.

that's what you said. case closed. hahahahahahah

[SimplyForgiven]

Can you act mature for one second?
Im not playing a game with you.

answer my legitmate question.

Do you believe that God and Jesus are equal beings?

Trinity is not found in the bible, but there is a religion based on Trinitarian doctrines that also teach that Jesus and God are equal beings.

Do you understand what im saying?

Where are you from, are you not from the USA?

[jammin]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 13 2012,15:48)

Can you act mature for one second?   Im not playing a game with you. answer my legitmate question. Do you believe that God and Jesus are equal beings? Trinity is not found in the bible, but there is a religion based on Trinitarian doctrines that also teach that Jesus and God are equal beings. Do you understand what im saying? Where are you from, are you not from the USA?

let me answer you by the bible
Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
 
6Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
     he did not take advantage of this equality.

that's what paul said
that's my belief

do you understand my first statement?
do you know how to read??
did i say that the doctrine of the trinity is not true??

I SAID THE WORD “TRINITY” CANT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!!

go back to gradeschool. study hard!

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