Is baptism needed for salvation?

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,

“..So in Christ all shall be made alive.”

Are you in Christ?

It vital to ensure you are so that you are made alive.

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi ……another “excellent ” post sis.  Wish everyone here could read it and understand it.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

[Jodi]

Nick,

The passage doesn’t say those that are Christ’s. It is because of Christ that the just and unjust are raised from the dead. What is ridiculous about your reasoning is that the unjust are in fact RAISED to life again. God’s plan was that in Adam ALL die so then He would have ALL in be made alive again because of Christ. Do not ALL men die because of Adam? This is a comparison that involves ALL of mankind, it is not so in Adam ALL die but only the followers in Christ are made alive.  Because of Adam ALL were made sinners, so because of Christ ALL will be made alive again.

Also NOTICE that God had said that His thoughts are Higher than OUR THOUGHTS, not some wicked rebel spirit being’s thoughts that then get planted into us. We do in fact have our own thoughts, they can be led by our carnal mind or they can be led by God’s Spirit.

Also recall that before Jesus died he said, forgive them Father because they know not what they do. 

So, they KNOW NOT because they are ignorant, like animals, like a deaf and blind serpent, or like a dog that returns to it’s own vomit? They know not what they do because the carnal mind is actually at enmity against God?

Or they KNOW NOT because they are puppets to invisible wicked rebel spirits?

Hmm which one is based on direct scriptures, verses man’s tradition of pagan ideas and then becoming the doctrine of false Christian preachers?

Jesus is asking God to forgive them, for Him to have mercy on them, but it seems many on this forum are not like minded with Jesus, they are too busy being self-righteous.

WHY is it that Jesus would even say such a thing? Could it be because Romans 11 is actually true?

“for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.”

or how about Isaiah combined with Titus, “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please. ….  “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

Nick you keep saying that God desires it, He provided it through Christ, but then it becomes our choice to accept Christ. You deny God’s FACTS, HIS WORDS, which lead you to self-righteousness. You deny that God’s influence over man is more powerful, that when He gives us His thoughts, His knowledge into us,  His thoughts are more powerful than ours, they are a greater influence over our carnal minds.

 

 

 

 

[Jodi]

Thank you Gene!

[Jodi]

Hi TC,

I see you are getting back to Nick. No response for me?

 

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,

So you say.

8 were rescued in the ark.

[Jodi]

Nick,

So I say? I give scripture and what you are suppose to do is to address those scriptures and discuss them. Why are you even on this forum? I thought it was to discuss scripture?..this is really your response? No surprise you have done this for over 10 years, now I am just waiting for a personal attack to distract away from actually discussing the scriptures.

This is what I believe, NOT what I SAY, as I am quoting scripture, 

This is what I believe as it is what YHWH says, 

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please. ….  “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

You have a problem with me saying Romans 11 is actually TRUE?

This is not what I say but it is the WORD of our Almighty Creator,

“for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.”

Your defense to these scriptures that you ignore is to say, “8 were rescued in the ark.”

Nick you are not comprehending you are being stubborn, why is it that 8 were “RESCUED” because God had MERCY on them. Or would you like to tell us that Noah was greater than Jesus, and he could be righteous from his own self? You speak and just bury yourself into a bigger hole.

and why did God destroy all but the 8?

Not what I say Nick, but what I believe from God’s word,

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

From Adam to Christ to now, God is showing man that he is nothing without Him, man can do no good, for as Jesus said, only God is good. We know from Jesus the CHRIST that it does in fact take an anointing. Without it we are DEAD. God’s plan is to bring all men to the knowledge of Him. God’s plan does not fail.

You are too comfortable with your own understanding, you cannot leave it, this is obvious when you respond in the way in which you do, not even willing to mention or discuss the scriptures addressed to you that don’t agree with you.

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,

You think your intellectual, pick and mix approach to scripture is impressive to God and counts as real faith?

No you need more desperate awareness of your desolate state and fear of His might and power.

Only 8 met His standards and were saved by the ark. Nothing has changed.

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick…..So you count the sacrifice of Christ As nothing?  A lot has changed sense the time of Noah Nick.The spirit of the living God has been poured out upon all flesh, According to,   Joel 2:28

Jodi is using scriptures that backup what she is saying, where are your scriptures that backup what you are saying? You haven’t a clue what anyone here’s “FAITH” IS.  WHERE DOES ANY SCRIPTURE SAY WE HAVE A RIGHT TO JUDGE ANOTHER’S FAITH?  “Have you faith, have it unto yourself.”

Remember what Jesus said, concerning those that bring offense to the little one, “it is better a millstone is hung around their neck and they be cast into the sea.”  Be carefull Nick your walking on dangerous ground brother. IMO

 

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

 

[Jodi]

Nick to discuss what is TRUTH one must use scripture in order to do so.

Do you not pick and likewise mix together scripture to say what you believe is true?

Isn’t that what everyone is doing on this forum? Last I checked when people post they don’t post the entire bible.

We draw into question people’s picks and mixes when they give an understanding to them that contradicts other passages of which they did not include.

Many passages are clear and obvious they stand on their own, while other passages need others passages to explain them.

I will declare that I use other passages to explain other passages, there is not a passage I will not address or will ignore. While others I see on this forum deny or ignore the passages that go against their interpretation of other passages.

When someone refuses to address a passage or multiple passages, choosing to ignore or deny them, or they act like a passage or multiple passages do not have anything to do with their interpretation of another passage or passages,  that really says a lot about what scriptural truth really means to them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Gene,

The plan of God is perfect and His Son Jesus did everything possible to save men.

But the message of salvation spoken by Peter has been garbled and none obey.

 

Our Merciful God has left room for more to be saved by the love they show to the brothers of Jesus.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……You say none obey, does that include you?  Jesus did not himself save anyone,  Jesus removed the eternal death penalty, It was God the Father who sacriffices him for the sins of the whole world. It is God the Father that is the “only” true savior. In fact it was the Father who also saved Jesus, by raising him from the dead, just as he will all that believe Nick. We don’t know who God is saving now, that’s his call,  we just need to encourage all seeking him, even if we don’t agree with some things they may say brother. It’s OK to disagree Nick,  but we need to be carefull we don’t attack their personal character,  or we might discourage them, I believe you don’t truly want that Nick.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

[Ed J]

Jodi ……another “excellent ” post sis. Wish everyone here could read it and understand it.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

Hi Jodi, Gene, and Truthcomber,

I don’t read long posts, try to keep each post short if you want
others to read them – try breaking them into shorter posts –
that’s if you ARE saying anything that’s important anyway

…thank you

[Ed J]

Hi Jodi, Gene, and Truthcomber,

You may not think Nick’s posts are important;
but at least, do to the size, I read Nick’s posts.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[GeneBalthrop]

Edj……Something take longer posts brother to explain all the points,  and because a post is short does not make it right .

 

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi

You: You are BORN of water and of the Spirit upon resurrection. To be Born of God we are told in 1 John 3 is to live having NO SIN. They will be born of water upon their resurrection because they died having FAITH. All saints are to receive the promise together upon Christ’s return.

Me: You have no scripture to support your insane exigencies. Nowhere in the bible does it state that any of the saints are to be born of literal water or figurative water at the time Christ returns. This is not a very bright idea of yours. One is born of figurative water when one is baptized of figurative water, the holy spirit with the sacrifice of Christ in it.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (human heart) shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ____; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Click on the link below.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2836.htm
Then click on 2836 above “belly”. The most fitting definition is:
5. in imitation of the Hebrew בֶּטֶן, tropically, the innermost part of a man, the soul, heart, as the seat of thought, feeling, choice (Job 15:35; Job 32:18 (the Sept. γαστήρ); Proverbs 18:8 (the Sept. ψυχή); (the Sept. σπλάγχνα); Habakkuk 3:16; Sir. 19:12 Sir. 51:21): John 7:38.

Me: So the holy spirit has the human heart and mind of Christ in it after the Messiah had ascended into heaven to be glorified. The code word for this is “born of water”. This is when we are baptized with the holy spirit.

Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Me: This is a human heart of Christ. We have the the heart of the devil combined with our hearts in  our human minds. We will have the heart of Christ in lieu of the devil’s.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Me: Even men cannot understand it. We still have a heart and mind of ourselves and can yearn for good (Acts 2:26)

Roman 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Defintion of flesh: 4561 sárksproperly, flesh (“carnal”), merely of human origin or empowerment.

[4561 /sárks (“flesh”) is not always evil in Scripture. Indeed, it is used positively in relation to sexual intercourse in marriage (Eph 5:31) – as well as for the sinless human body of Jesus (Jn 1:14; 1 Jn 4:2,3). Indeed, flesh (what is physical) is necessary for the body to live out the faith the Lord works in (Gal 2:20).]
Me: Flesh can mean body. It can mean heart and mind.

https://biblehub.com/greek/4561.htm Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord…
Me: We will be delivered from our bodies of death, not our bodies will be transformed. We will have bodies that are like Christ’s and no more bodies of the devil. Christ did not have the heart of the devil reside within him.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Me: This is an eternal struggle.

John 8:14 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Roman 3:4 …yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Me: We have the seed of the woman and the seed of the devil in our flesh. We will have a new body likened unto Christ’s body. His body was like the first Adam without sin. The bodies we have now will not stand (Mark 3:25). We have the human heart of Christ in our spirit minds.

Eph 5:30 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Me: We will have bodies liken to Christ, not our old bodies liken unto the devil.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi:

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Me: We have a new spirit, the holy spirit and a new human heart of Christ it us. “Living water”in John 7:37 refers to the holy spirit with the human heart of Christ living in it.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ___ Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Click on the link below:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm
Me: I believe the phrase “Except a man be born of water and the Spirit is wrong. It categorizes the two words “water” and “the spirit” as separate events. It should be “water and spirit” as the above link indicates. This means that you need to born of water and spirit simultaneously. Water here is symbolic of the holy spirit with the human heart and mind of Christ in it. The apostles were born of the spirit but not baptized of the spirit in John 20:22. It was not until after Pentecost that they were baptized of the holy spirit.

Next, click on the link below. “Born of the flesh is a separate event than born of the spirit. Flesh here refers to our physical birth.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-6.htm

You: As previously stated. Paul was baptized in the Spirit, not a baptism OF water that was John’s baptism, NO water was involved. This reception of the Spirit made Paul an apostle, it was to work in him his own faith and bring others to faith
At Pentecost there was no water involved, people were not baptized WITH water, but WITH the Spirit. This is a baptism where you believe in the One Lord, One baptism (Jesus made into the Christ), where there is One Faith that saves you, and you live with One hope. Man is to walk in newness of life through faith, knowing that Jesus rose from the dead being Born of God, given a body that no longer tempts him, and we will receive that same body, where we are also no longer able to be tempted, and we can no longer sin. This is the glory that we are raised up in, to be children of God able to walk in His ways.

Me: What is this, a joke?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Me: Here water baptism took place before the baptism of the holy spirit.

.Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word…46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Me: Here the baptism of the holy spirit occurred before water baptism.

Acts 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Me: Water baptism show our faith in the sacrifice of Christ. When we are water baptized, if possible, we receive the baptism of the holy spirit. The saints that died in the OT received the baptism of the holy spirit and not water baptism at Pentecost.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Me: The thief on the cross received the baptism of the holy spirit at Pentecost and not water baptism.

Luke 23:42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today (at this time) shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Me: The thief on the cross called out to Christ to save him, just like we do when we are baptized in water. He was not baptized with water.  The OT saints were not baptized with water as symbolic of the actual baptism of the spirit.  Why?  Because Christ has not yet died.

 

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi,

 

You: The Old Covenant the law, proved that no man could be righteous able to live without sin, no one could obtain eternal life through following the law, as the law just made sin abound all the more as Paul says.
The New Covenant was that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, and if we have FAITH in him and believe that he was made perfect not able to sin, not through himself, but through the Spirit being given without measure, we will be resurrected as he was resurrected, into eternal life.

Me: OK

You: Paul received a gift of the Spirit, he did not receive the Spirit without measure where he remained without sin, he was NOT Born of God.

Me: Totally False.

! John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Me: If we are called the sons of God now, we must have been born of God, don’t you think. We are born with the earnest of the spirit.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/galatians/4-29.htm

Me: Isaac was born of the spirit but had not received of the promise of eternal life until Christ had paid for our sins. Animal sacrifices were but a rain check. We are the children of promise of eternal life now because we have received that promise now since Christ had paid for our sins now, not at the coming of Christ. We are resurrected spiritually from the dead now.

After we are born of God, we have a spirit mind regenerated. It is the spirit mind that Adam died to. This death is passed on to all men of the first Adam. For example:

Matt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Me: The dead spiritually but alive physically buries the dead spiritually and physically. It also means let the mortal bury the mortal because dead here can mean mortal.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be…14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

We cannot sin in our spirit mind because we are sons of God there when we  follow the holy spirit. We sin when we follow the flesh.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God…16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Me: If you cannot feel the presence of God in your spirit mind, then your spirit mind has not been regenerated and the holy spirit is not in you. If you have the earnest of the spirit of God in you, you are a son (child) of God.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi,

You: On the contrary we are told by Paul that he still struggled with temptation and sin, and his hope was in his mortality body being swallowed up to life, so that he could finally a live a life without temptation. When Jesus was raised in an immortal body he no longer suffers with being able to be tempted. Paul’s longing for this body and his faith that through Christ he is able to receive it, counted him as being righteous, and thus able to obtain eternal life upon rising from the dead at Christ’s return.

New American Standard Bible
John 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh (body) profits nothing; …
Click on the link below. Flesh in John 6:63 means body.
https://biblehub.com/greek/4561.htm

2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Me: Click on the link below. Then click on 2647 to the right of “is torn down”.
abolish (2), destroy (5), destroyed (1), find lodging (1), guest (1), overthrow (1), overthrown (1), tear down (1), torn down (4).
Definition: To destroy, demolish, dissolve.
to cause to disperse or disappear : DESTROY do not dissolve and deface the laws of charity— Francis Bacon
b : to separate into component parts : DISINTEGRATE dissolved the company into smaller units
c : to bring to an end : TERMINATE the king’s power to dissolve parliament their partnership was dissolved

 

Me: Why would we have a body reserved in heaven already before we die if our present one’s will be transformed? Please answer.

2 Cor 5:1 is saying that our present body burden us and that we do not desired it anymore. This means that we can live without a body. But God will give us a new body and not be naked, in the image of the old one but that is immortal, thus mortality (our present body) will be replaced with a new body of the holy spirit or eternal life ( John 6:63).

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/2_corinthians/5-1.htm

1 Cor 15: 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Me: To be in conformity with the scope of what is, “we shall be change” in 1Cor 15:52 and not “our bodies will be change”. We will be changed. We will be changed when we have a new heart, a new spirit, and then a new body at the end.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi,

First Fruits
https://www.godfire.net/eby/rev-88.html

You: As we are told in Acts, David is still DEAD, he did not ascend to heaven, he died knowing that he would sleep the sleep of death until Christ’s return. The FAITH that he had counted him as worthy to obtain the promise.

Me: 
New American Standard Bible
Acts 2:29 “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
You Quoted me: Most version do not have “is buried”
Buried of one’s physical body does not have anything to do with what I want to establish: that the OT saints were dead spiritually but are alive spiritually now. Acts 2 is speaking of the resurrection of the dead, not the dead remaining that way.

Me: My mistake. I meant to address “is dead” and not “is buried”. Of course David’s body is still buried (verse 29). His sepulchre was still there. “Most versions do not have “is dead” but “was dead” not Click on the link below and see. One’s dead body is buried and remains that way. We are addressing what is spiritual, not what is physical.
https://biblehub.com/acts/2-29.htm

You:

Acts 2:34 David didn’t go up to heaven. So he wasn’t talking about himself when he said, “The Lord told my Lord to sit at his right side,

Me: Most version do not have: “is not” ascended into the heavens: They have “did not”; “is not” means from the time they were dead to the present. “did not” means from the past to maybe or maybe not to the present.

New American Standard Bible
Acts 2:34 “For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

Me: What Peter is emphasizing that Psalm 110:1 is speaking of the resurrection and the ascension of Christ and not David. This is addressing the ascension before Pentecost that will occur after Christ’s ascension into heaven.

‘The Lord Said to My Lord…’ To Whom Was the Lord Speaking in Psalm 110:1?

The above is a good article written by a Jewish outreach for Christ. They recognize that Psalm 110:1 quoted in Acts 2:34 refers to man and not to God Almighty. Psalm 110 was written in the third person. They believe :
“The second word “Lord” in the verse is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word לַאדֹנִי; (pronounced ladonee).
The correct and only translation of ladonee is “to my master” or “to my lord.
In the original Hebrew,…The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] “Sit thou at my right hand…” (Psalm 110:1).

Me: I believe this is correct. The “l” in the second “lord” is not capitalized. Thus, Lord here is not part of a so called trinity. But I believe this is referring to the man Christ, not the man David.

YOU: I just read through 38 versions they all say once again the same thing that David did not ascend to heaven TC. What on earth are you talking about, how is it that you can come on this forum and clearly say something that is absolutely false, you say “most versions do not”, when the truth is all of the versions I was provided with in English actually do, all 38 of them!!
1. to go up
2. to rise, mount, be borne up, spring up

Me: “Is not” is not the same as “did not”. “is not” means that at the present he is not in heaven. “did not” does not necessarily mean he is not in heaven now.

New American Standard Bible
Acts 2:33 “For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

Me:
The focus here is on the promise of the holy spirit—the resurrection from the dead and the ascension into heaven with Christ.
Up to that point, yes, David hadn’t gone up to heaven. The holy spirit with the human heart in it was not poured out before Pentecost. The Messiah was the first to rise from the dead and glorified.

Acts 2:33 herefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (heart) shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ______ because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Me: Emphasis in the parenthesis is mine. The promise of the holy spirit is with the human seed of Christ in it, for by man came death, by man came the resurrection into life.

 

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