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Hi 94,
Are you not yet born of the Spirit?
Were the apostles?
Are you different or has access to the Spirit changed?
Acts 2.39
1peter 1.3
Nick,
Hi KW,
So you are not a jew but follow the jewish religion?
Can the synagogue of satan save you?
Your words reveal you are not understanding my words. Try to understand them.
Perhaps these words of Paul will help.
Romans 7:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Those under the Law practiced the religion of God by following the letter of the Law while those in the new covenant follow the same religion by living by the Spirit. One religion of God with two different contracts with God.
Second: You did not include enough words from Revelation to reveal the idea that was being imparted. The idea is that false Jews serve Satan and not God. (Revelations 2:9 and 3:9) Calling all Jews the synagogue of Satan is a false accusation that paints with a wide brush getting John himself as well as Jesus.
942767,
What advantage in Jesus sacrificing himself?
It seems you are claiming that Abraham did not have the Spirit but looked forward to a people that would have the Spirit.
If so why did he look forward to a time the Spirit would be given to humans?
Hi KW,
Do you imagine that you have some sort of an advantage over other believers by trying to serve two covenants?
There is no longer jew and gentile.
Nick,
You are using a lot of words but they are vague at best.
According to you, the saved leave behind being imputed with righteousness in order to grasp being imputed with righteousness.
You disagree with the idea that they are leaving behind a self that lives according to the flesh to grasp a self that created like God in true holiness and righteousness.
So please explain what old and new are.
Nick,
Colossians 3:8-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Yes, all that live by the Spirit are equal in being children of the Most High. Th rest is irrelevant.
Nick,
All those that in following the true gospel are immersed in water receive the clothes but it is only those that strive through faith to obey the instruction to put on their new man that are clothed with Christ. Those that all clothed in their old self are not clothed with Christ for he is alien to Christ. (Ephesians 4:17-24)
Nick,
Did you read the passage I wrote or were you too full of your own words?
Ephesians 4:17-19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Your words say you consider walking as those who walk in vanity of their mind and alienated from the live of God through internal ignorance as result of the blindness of their hearts to be acceptable to God.
Believe what is written and seek God’s righteousness and kingdom.
Hi Nick:
Of course I have received the Spirit of God. What gives you the impression that I said that I had not?
Kw: Abraham was looking forward to Jesus overcoming sin and death. According to the following scripture, no one could be born of the Spirit prior to the resurrection of Jesus.
John 7:37-39King James Version (KJV)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Those obeyed God by faith in the OT are part of the body of Christ, and will raised from the dead by the Spirit of God. In other words, their sins will be washed away by the blood of Jesus, and they will receive the Spirit of God at the time of the resurrection. That is what Abraham looked forward to.
Hebrews 11:
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
942767,
John 7:37-39King James Version (KJV)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
I am following you so far but it is written that the Spirit of God came upon King Saul and he became another man. (1 Samuel 10:6). How do those words agree with the comment in John 7:39?
Hi,
The key to eternal life is the Spirit of life.rom8.11
God gave the Spirit to the men of old and to the prophets.
God can take the Spirit away, David pleaded with God not to do so.
Ps 51
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Hi Mia:
Sounding divided? How so?
Marty.
Baptism is either a commandment or it is not.
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Miia,
Hi Kerwin. You are getting too theological for me, sorry.
The instruction to repent and immerse yourself in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the Holy Spirit is a new covenant(contract) teaching.
The thief on the cross was in the old covenant(contract).
The terms of the new contract do not apply to those that have not signed it.
Those words should not be too theological for you.
Kerwin, if the thief was as you say in the old covenant, then the anti-baptism argument that the thief was supposedly not baptized yet was saved is still pointless, because he was in the old covenant, where they are not!
You are only getting too theological for me at the moment, Kerwin, because I’ve been too busy with other mind consuming things…
Miia,
The thief and all those that are saved from damnation outside the new covenant are saved as a result of those in the new covenant who by faith learn to live by the Spirit the receive when immersed in water in the authority of Jesus Christ.
Like Abraham before him the thief was credited with righteousness and the result of righteousness is eternal life. His faith revealed that if given an opportunity he would have adhered to the gospel of Christ.
John 7:39 teaches us the Holy Ghost was not given until Jesus was glorified and it is that Holy Spirit that Peter teaches us is received when a believer repents and is immersed in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Those that do at Peter instructed that day enter the multitude of those that should be saved from their sins and by extension damnation.
There is more to the gospel than just being immersed in water. Being immersed is one of the basics of the gospel.
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