Is baptism needed for salvation?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Jn 15
” Thy word is truth..”

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2014,15:08)

Hi WU, Jn 15 ” Thy word is truth..”

Nick.

I believe that God's Word is truth.
But not His word that has been corrupted by men.

wakeup..

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Yes

[terraricca]

HI

then why are you guy's so convince that your own words are the truth of God ,

your doctrine are from men ,men that have been your teachers and have implanted their own seed in you ,and now guide you away from God's pure and holy truth ,

if your faith stands on God scriptures alone and i mean ALONE not with men addition ,you have no truth at all ,ONLY A UNCORRUPTED MIND CAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH ,THIS IS WHY CHRIST CHOSE HIS DISCIPLES VERY CAREFULLY BUT THEY WHERE ALL READY IN WAITING FOR HIM ,

BUT YOU HAVE SET YOUR MIND THAT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOUR OWN MIND AND SO DISQUALIFY GOD 'S LIVING WORDS

JESUS SAID TRUTH COMES FROM GOD HIS FATHER THROUGH HIM ,WHY SO NO ONE ELSE ,TRUE

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
2Jn 9

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2014,23:21)

HI then why are you guy's so convince that your own words are the truth of God , your doctrine are from men ,men that have been your teachers and have implanted their own seed in you ,and now guide you away from God's pure and holy truth , if your faith stands on God scriptures alone and i mean ALONE  not with men addition ,you have no truth at all ,ONLY A UNCORRUPTED MIND CAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH ,THIS IS WHY CHRIST CHOSE HIS DISCIPLES VERY CAREFULLY  BUT THEY WHERE ALL READY IN WAITING FOR HIM , BUT YOU HAVE SET YOUR MIND THAT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOUR OWN MIND AND SO DISQUALIFY GOD 'S LIVING WORDS JESUS SAID TRUTH COMES FROM GOD HIS FATHER THROUGH HIM ,WHY SO NO ONE ELSE ,TRUE

Hi Pierre

For your information, Wakeup has been taught by no man.
It's been just him and his bible in his lounge-room for years and years.
I know this personally.

Wakeup is a good teacher, and he gets the brain stirred up, addressing many, many issues. He is well armed.
So be careful how you accuse.

[Wakeup]

They are all false accusers,with no evidence at all.
No evidence because they have none.
All they are good at, is accusing.
They use stones as evidence.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Who accuses you?

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ May 17 2014,22:32)

Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2014,23:21) HI then why are you guy's so convince that your own words are the truth of God , your doctrine are from men ,men that have been your teachers and have implanted their own seed in you ,and now guide you away from God's pure and holy truth , if your faith stands on God scriptures alone and i mean ALONE  not with men addition ,you have no truth at all ,ONLY A UNCORRUPTED MIND CAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH ,THIS IS WHY CHRIST CHOSE HIS DISCIPLES VERY CAREFULLY  BUT THEY WHERE ALL READY IN WAITING FOR HIM , BUT YOU HAVE SET YOUR MIND THAT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOUR OWN MIND AND SO DISQUALIFY GOD 'S LIVING WORDS JESUS SAID TRUTH COMES FROM GOD HIS FATHER THROUGH HIM ,WHY SO NO ONE ELSE ,TRUE Hi Pierre For your information, Wakeup has been taught by no man. It's been just him and his bible in his lounge-room for years and years. I know this personally. Wakeup is a good teacher, and he gets the brain stirred up, addressing many, many issues.  He is well armed. So be careful how you accuse.

j42

if what you say would be true ,he would not believe all he is teaching because it is not supported by the word of God ,

sorry the prove is laid in is own teachings ;i have no reason to fear anyone but God ,

[942767]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2014,14:18)

Baptism in water has been performed and preached, But misunderstood. Here is the real meaning of it. 1.Water symbolises the holy Spirit. 2. The submerging in the water symbolises the    submerging in the Holy Spirit. 3. The coming out of the water symbolises the    new birth. ( born again). but??. One is submerged in the Holy Spirit,and he has to stay there untill the resurrection. He must not fall away. Then He will come out a new man. Born of the spirit;born again. One that has gone true the water ritual is not born again yet; untill he has gone through the real thing. Submerge himself in the Holy Spirit through his life time, then will he be born again in spirit,at the coming. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

Where does the scriptures say that water baptism symbolizes the Holy spirit or that it symbolizes submersion in the Holy Spirit?

This is what the scriptures state:

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Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

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Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

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Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

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1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Just one other scripture:

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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2014,12:28)

Quote (journey42 @ May 17 2014,22:32) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2014,23:21) HI then why are you guy's so convince that your own words are the truth of God , your doctrine are from men ,men that have been your teachers and have implanted their own seed in you ,and now guide you away from God's pure and holy truth , if your faith stands on God scriptures alone and i mean ALONE  not with men addition ,you have no truth at all ,ONLY A UNCORRUPTED MIND CAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH ,THIS IS WHY CHRIST CHOSE HIS DISCIPLES VERY CAREFULLY  BUT THEY WHERE ALL READY IN WAITING FOR HIM , BUT YOU HAVE SET YOUR MIND THAT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOUR OWN MIND AND SO DISQUALIFY GOD 'S LIVING WORDS JESUS SAID TRUTH COMES FROM GOD HIS FATHER THROUGH HIM ,WHY SO NO ONE ELSE ,TRUE Hi Pierre For your information, Wakeup has been taught by no man. It's been just him and his bible in his lounge-room for years and years. I know this personally. Wakeup is a good teacher, and he gets the brain stirred up, addressing many, many issues.  He is well armed. So be careful how you accuse. j42 if what you say would be true ,he would not believe all he is teaching because it is not supported by the word of God , sorry the prove is laid in is own teachings ;i have no reason to fear anyone but God ,

Pierre

That is just another accusation on your behalf. You said Nick and Wakeup's doctrine is from men?

That mean's that Wakeup would of have to been taught by a church, or had men coming around teaching him, or bought books about the bible and learn't of them.
It's just not true Pierre, that's all I am saying.

Do any of you guys know each other personally?
We could be talking to someone who's posting from a mental ward for all we know, or a spy who's working for the enemy sent to stir things up, and chase us away from speaking?
Don't think this doesn't happen, because they are watching us, carefully, gathering evidence against us.

I know Wakeup personally, and he knows me, so we can vouch for each other. Not one of you guys know each other as far as I know. So who would be the wiser?

[journey42]

But don't worry too much Pierre,
Most of you guys have not exposed anything.  You would not be a threat to them.  

I am going to expose something else big now, and it might not affect you, but all who have children or grandchildren can learn a thing or two, and warn them not to love these people too much.

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ May 18 2014,14:02)

Just one other scripture: Quote Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty.

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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

THIS IS ABOUT MEN'S SPIRIT; BEING REPLACED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN YOU.THEN YOU WALK IN THE SPIRIT,
NOT IN THE FLESH ANYMORE.

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10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.[

IF CHRIST BE IN YOU; THAN YOUR FLESHLY DESIRES
ARE DEAD.ONLY THE DESIRES OF GOD YOU DO.

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11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead

**shall** **also quicken your mortal bodies**
by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [/QUOTE]**.

THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISE UP FROM THE DEAD.
IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD. THAT SAME SPIRIT DWELLETH IN US. (ONLY IF WE ARE TRULY IN CHIST).

SHALL QUICKEN YOUR BODIES.(RESURRECT).

YOU ARE IN THE SPIRIT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU
**ARE SPIRIT**.

REGARDING THE REAL BAPTISM. JUST LOOK AT PANTECOST.
THAT IS THE REAL THING. BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
NOT OF WATER,WHICH ONLY SYMBOLISES THE REAL THING.

NOTE: IT MENTIONS THE SPIRIT OF GOD;EQUALS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. THIS IS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT KNOWN THE SON AND THE FATHER.

wakeup.

[942767]

Hi Wakeup:

The spirit of Christ is the Word of God, which is the spirit of the Son, the spirit that he obeyed unto death on the cross. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God our Father, if we have been born again, dwelling within us. If you have not believed the gospel with a repentant heart, then you do not have the Holy Spirit, because the only way that one can come to the Father is through the Son. One must believe the Word of God with a repentant heart in order to be born again. The Word is sown by the sower in your heart, and if you have believed with a repentant heart and responded to His call then you have received the Holy Spirit, but if not, you have not and will not receive the Holy Spirit until you do.

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2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ May 18 2014,12:21)

But don't worry too much Pierre, Most of you guys have not exposed anything.  You would not be a threat to them.   I am going to expose something else big now, and it might not affect you, but all who have children or grandchildren can learn a thing or two, and warn them not to love these people too much.

j42

this quote ,really does not say anything does it

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ May 18 2014,12:14)

Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2014,12:28) Quote (journey42 @ May 17 2014,22:32) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2014,23:21) HI then why are you guy's so convince that your own words are the truth of God , your doctrine are from men ,men that have been your teachers and have implanted their own seed in you ,and now guide you away from God's pure and holy truth , if your faith stands on God scriptures alone and i mean ALONE  not with men addition ,you have no truth at all ,ONLY A UNCORRUPTED MIND CAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH ,THIS IS WHY CHRIST CHOSE HIS DISCIPLES VERY CAREFULLY  BUT THEY WHERE ALL READY IN WAITING FOR HIM , BUT YOU HAVE SET YOUR MIND THAT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOUR OWN MIND AND SO DISQUALIFY GOD 'S LIVING WORDS JESUS SAID TRUTH COMES FROM GOD HIS FATHER THROUGH HIM ,WHY SO NO ONE ELSE ,TRUE Hi Pierre For your information, Wakeup has been taught by no man. It's been just him and his bible in his lounge-room for years and years. I know this personally. Wakeup is a good teacher, and he gets the brain stirred up, addressing many, many issues.  He is well armed. So be careful how you accuse. j42 if what you say would be true ,he would not believe all he is teaching because it is not supported by the word of God , sorry the prove is laid in is own teachings ;i have no reason to fear anyone but God , Pierre That is just another accusation on your behalf.  You said Nick and Wakeup's doctrine is from men? That mean's that Wakeup would of have to been taught by a church, or had men coming around teaching him, or bought books about the bible and learn't of them. It's just not true Pierre, that's all I am saying. Do any of you guys know each other personally? We could be talking to someone who's posting from a mental ward for all we know, or a spy who's working for the enemy sent to stir things up, and chase us away from speaking? Don't think this doesn't happen, because they are watching us, carefully, gathering evidence against us. I know Wakeup personally, and he knows me, so we can vouch for each other.  Not one of you guys know each other as far as I know.  So who would be the wiser?

j42

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Do any of you guys know each other personally?

this does not mean nothing Judas Iscariot knew Jesus Christ personally ,did this stopped him to betray him NO,

Mt 10:33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Mt 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Mt 10:35 For I have come to turn
“ ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
Mt 10:36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

Mt 10:37 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;
Mt 10:38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mt 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

[Wakeup]

T.

This is the reason why there are so many
denominations, because there is no unity.
All have their own doctrines.
This will stay as it is; untill Christ comes and rules.
But there are a few that have the one true doctrine.
One in agreement with the scriptures.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Yes there would be one body if men did not follow their UNDERSTANDINGS

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2014,06:08)

Hi WU, Yes there would be one body if men did not follow their UNDERSTANDINGS

Hi Nick:

When Jesus was tempted by the devil, he responded with “IT IS WRITTEN”, and so, I will do the same.

If anyone can not justify what he is saying by the scriptures then HE DID NOT SAY IT”

Jesus praying to the Father in John prayed that “we would be one”, as HE and the Father were one, and He asked God to:

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John 17: 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

And he said:

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Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works

And:

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Matt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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