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Hi,
Heb 10
Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.Hi,
1peter 3
18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the [n]spirit; 19 in [o]which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the [p]water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [q]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.One comes with a sincere heart to be baptised in water.
His sins are forgiven. Now starts a new life.
Then what? The thorns have chocked him.
The spirit of babylon has taken over,then what?
The falling away, and back to sin. Then what?
Many will be spued out of the mouth.The true believers will hear the voice of the shepherd.
They will not follow the voice of strangers.
The voice of the shepherd is in the Holy bible.
The bible does not change;people following it have changed.What good was that water?
The HS change mens hearts,not water.
God knows whom he will baptise,with His spirit.
Not all are baptised with the spirit.
Many are baptised with water,but a few chosen.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The evidence of Acts is that God responds and cleanses the vessels that obey so they can be blessed with the Spirit.
But religious spirits confuse the sheep.Hi,
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the worldQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,14:50) Hi,
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world
NickYes that is important to test all doctrine with scriptures.
If it contradicts scripture;dont touch it with a ten feet pole.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,05:54) Kerwin. Do you understand what you are reading?
Paul said he his speaking to THEM as speaking in man's terms. Speaking in terms of the flesh.
They obviously were new comers.wakeup.
Wakeup,I do not know where he states that but I do know that in Roman's 6 he is speaking of immersion and telling us that during it a believer is buried with Jesus' crucified body. Being buried with Jesus a second time is treating his crusifiction as of no effect.
The purpose of immersion is to “made partakers of the Holy Ghost” a point Paul makes clear Romans 6 and Peter made clear on the day Pentecost so long ago.
Hi KW,
The two baptisms are not necessarily contemporaneous as God shows in Acts with Philip only baptising and with Cornelius receiving the Spirit first.
But in both cases they were baptised in water AND the Spirit.Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2014,19:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,05:54) Kerwin. Do you understand what you are reading?
Paul said he his speaking to THEM as speaking in man's terms. Speaking in terms of the flesh.
They obviously were new comers.wakeup.
Wakeup,I do not know where he states that but I do know that in Roman's 6 he is speaking of immersion and telling us that during it a believer is buried with Jesus' crucified body. Being buried with Jesus a second time is treating his crusifiction as of no effect.
The purpose of immersion is to “made partakers of the Holy Ghost” a point Paul makes clear Romans 6 and Peter made clear on the day Pentecost so long ago.
Kerwin.Man can not baptise with the HS.
Only God knows whom to baptise with the HS.
And He does not baptise any person.
God looks in the inside of a person.Water is the symbol of the washing of sins.
To be baptised is only *the beginning* of a long journey
living as a christian.Many have been choked by the thorns,and gave up.
Many did works in Jesus name, but not in truth.
Water does not secure anyone of having life.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,14:18) Hi KW,
The two baptisms are not necessarily contemporaneous as God shows in Acts with Philip only baptising and with Cornelius receiving the Spirit first.
But in both cases they were baptised in water AND the Spirit.
Nick,It does not say that Cornelius and his household were baptized in the Spirit instead it states “the Holy Ghost fell on all them” and “which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we”. The Spirit was given to the 70 elders of the children of Israel during the the wandering in the wilderness.
Numbers 11:25
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
The Spirit of the prophets was one by which the that received it spoke as they were carried along with it. The Spirit of the new covenant is one by which people live their lives. It is the same doing different things. It is the teacher we should desire most and not the gift giver.
Hi KW,
Exactly.
It is God Who baptises in his Spirit.
Jesus gave authority to his disciples to lay hands on men who had been through the water.Hi,
1 Timothy 5:22
Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.Nick,
Laying on hands served to bestow authority and in at least in one instance served to bestow the gifts of the Spirit. Numbers 27:1. 5-23, Deuteronomy 34:9, Numbers 11:16-25, Acts 18:14-17. There is also laying hands on the sacrifice but I do not see the relevance to the new covenant. Last there is laying on hands used for healing.
Wakup,
Acts 28:8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
Who healed the father of Publius, Paul or God?
Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2014,09:39) Wakup, Acts 28:8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
Who healed the father of Publius, Paul or God?
Kerwin.You should know that it is God.
We all are His tools to do something.
Some are given power to heal the sick,
some to revive the dead.What gift are you given Kerwin?
wakeup
Wakeup,
I asked you because you seem to believe that when Paul immersed people in water for the forgiveness of their sins and they received the Spirit that it was him that was forgiving their sins and giving them the Spirit.
If you can understand that when Paul does the work of laying on his hands God does the healing that it is also true that when Paul does the work of immersing an individual in water it is God that does the forgiving of sins and the giving of the Spirit.
Hi KW
Heb 6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hi KW,
These are the basic principles of entry into the kingdom.
They are not ethereal matters for philosophical debate.Every letter he wrote was to a different geographical audience but all were to those who had entered.
Paul was a magnificent servant and worker and was not here just to chat. he wanted to move forward and not look back.[phil 3]
Nick,
He was speaking in a different way than what you say unless you accuse him of engaging in philosophical debate over ethereal matters when he addresses Romans 6.
My understanding is he was instructing them to grow up and get over issues being conceived, being formed in the womb, being born, and being a neonatal.
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