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Hi,
Some of the lies of satan that have been swallowed is that water baptism is not required.
Just acceptance of Jesus as Lord is required-by a misreading of Rom 10
Baptism can be in other names than that of Jesus ChristQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2014,07:47) Hi WU,
When we receive the Spirit of life we dwell in the heavenlies with Christ Jesuscol3
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.We rise with the Spirit
Rom6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Nick.And yet millions baptised with water will be rejected.
True or false?So of what significant is born again?
Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed.
Yet he can be rejected.wakeup.
Hi WU,
God has laid out the plan for entry into the kingdom in jn3.
Following rebirth we are also warned that we have no guarantee of salvation yet but we must become sons of God.We must endure
Rom 8
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is [d]alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [e]through His Spirit who dwells in you.12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you [f]must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
2 tim2
It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
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If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we [d]deny Him, He also will deny us;13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.Hi WU
Phil3
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on [h]so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as are [j]perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 16 however, let us keep [k]living by that same standard to which we have attained.17 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their [l]appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. 20 For our [m]citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who will transform [n]the body of our humble state into conformity with [o]the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.
Hi WU,
Falling away is a problem
Heb 6
6 Therefore leaving the [a]elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to [c]maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God permits. 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often [e]falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close [f]to being cursed, and [g]it ends up being burned.Hi,
There is a way back spoken of
Lk 16
Now He was also saying to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and this manager was [a]reported to him as squandering his possessions. 2 And he called him and said to him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an accounting of your management, for you can no longer be manager.’ 3 The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do, since my master is taking the management away from me? I am not strong enough to dig; I am ashamed to beg. 4 I know what I shall do, so that when I am removed from the management people will welcome me into their homes.’ 5 And he summoned each one of his [c]master’s debtors, and he began saying to the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’ 6 And he said, ‘A hundred [d]measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’ 7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred [e]measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’ 8 And his [f]master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own [g]kind than the sons of light. 9 And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the [h]wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, they will receive you into the eternal dwellings.Wakeup,
Quote Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed. Where does it state that in Scripture?
As far I know it is true as God does not take back his gift.
That does not mean a born again person will choose to put on the new self.
Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2014,16:00) Wakeup, Quote Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed. Where does it state that in Scripture?
As far I know it is true as God does not take back his gift.
That does not mean a born again person will choose to put on the new self.
Kerwin.BORN(birth)——–AGAIN.(second time).
Once born: He /she is born,and will stay born.
Can not be unborn.
Once the puppies are out of the mother(born),they stay out.
Can not be unborn.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2014,20:39) Hi WU,
The Spirit cannot be taken away?
David thought he could lose the Spirit
Nick.True christians are not OF Babylon but are IN Babylon.
We are in the city of God Zion;spiritaully.In the mind.Renewed mind.
But we have no spirit bodies ,untill we are born again out of Mother zion.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 05 2014,15:07) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2014,16:00) Wakeup, Quote Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed. Where does it state that in Scripture?
As far I know it is true as God does not take back his gift.
That does not mean a born again person will choose to put on the new self.
Kerwin.BORN(birth)——–AGAIN.(second time).
Once born: He /she is born,and will stay born.
Can not be unborn.
Once the puppies are out of the mother(born),they stay out.
Can not be unborn.wakeup.
Wakeup,Symbolism is not that neat though I agree but the verse I would use to support the conclusion is.
Hebrews 6:4-6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hi WU,
A person given eternal life who falls out of favour with God is in a far worse situation than one who had never been reborn.
The fires are eternal.Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2014,04:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 05 2014,15:07) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2014,16:00) Wakeup, Quote Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed. Where does it state that in Scripture?
As far I know it is true as God does not take back his gift.
That does not mean a born again person will choose to put on the new self.
Kerwin.BORN(birth)——–AGAIN.(second time).
Once born: He /she is born,and will stay born.
Can not be unborn.
Once the puppies are out of the mother(born),they stay out.
Can not be unborn.wakeup.
Wakeup,Symbolism is not that neat though I agree but the verse I would use to support the conclusion is.
Hebrews 6:4-6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Kerwin.This is about one being changed from flesh to spirit.
This is called born again.
Many SO CALLED born again will be spued out of Jesus mouth. But if one is born of the spirit(Mother zion)
he/she is spirit and is no more judged. The reward is given to him.There are, and will come a time soon, that many so called born again will fall away. So what is the value of being born again at baptism?
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,04:50) Hi WU,
A person given eternal life who falls out of favour with God is in a far worse situation than one who had never been reborn.
The fires are eternal.
Nick.Once eternal life is given one is spirit,like the angels.
It will not be reversed.
Once the reward is given,it will not be taken away.
The reward is eternal life with God.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2014,06:19) Hi WU,
Then you have not read the frequent warnings about failing to produce good fruit?
Nick.They will no be givn the reward.
But God also is mercuful.
He gave them a last chance,and that is by putting them through the fire.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The fire?
Salting with fire in our daily lives yes but the eternal fires are for the devil and his angels and the goatsQuote (Wakeup @ April 06 2014,01:11) Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2014,04:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 05 2014,15:07) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2014,16:00) Wakeup, Quote Ones a person is born again; it can not be reversed. Where does it state that in Scripture?
As far I know it is true as God does not take back his gift.
That does not mean a born again person will choose to put on the new self.
Kerwin.BORN(birth)——–AGAIN.(second time).
Once born: He /she is born,and will stay born.
Can not be unborn.
Once the puppies are out of the mother(born),they stay out.
Can not be unborn.wakeup.
Wakeup,Symbolism is not that neat though I agree but the verse I would use to support the conclusion is.
Hebrews 6:4-6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Kerwin.This is about one being changed from flesh to spirit.
This is called born again.
Many SO CALLED born again will be spued out of Jesus mouth. But if one is born of the spirit(Mother zion)
he/she is spirit and is no more judged. The reward is given to him.There are, and will come a time soon, that many so called born again will fall away. So what is the value of being born again at baptism?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not a chance as it speaks of repentance.
It is is speaking of the same things as Romans 6:2-4. Do you understand while Paul bothered to say “I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness”?
Kerwin.
Do you understand what you are reading?
Paul said he his speaking to THEM as speaking in man's terms. Speaking in terms of the flesh.
They obviously were new comers.wakeup.
Hi,
Col2
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head [j]over all rule and authority; 11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
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