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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 28 2014,08:02) Wakeup, 4) Everyone that is born again is a child of the kingdom.
Matthew 13:47-50
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Kerwin.Many BORN AGAIN so called will be rejected.
What is this born again so called be, as security?
Once BORN AGAIN; one is BORN AGAIN: CAN NOT PUT BACK INTO THE WOMB.
Can one be UNBORN again?What is the use of being Born again if one can still be cast
into the lake of fire?This is a doctrine that have been accepted by many, without
searching the scriptures.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2014,12:24) Hi WU,
Do you have to understand all possibilities before committing?
good luck
Nick.If you truly believe you have experience the second birth;(born again).
Then there can not be another third birth for you.I will be born again out of Mother Zion, for her time is at hand, she will have labour pains,and all Her children will be born. (this is the true born again).
This born again doctrine was a great misunderstanding
of a simple scripture. Baptism in water is not being born again. Many just follow like sheep without bothering to check out things.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2014,05:21) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 28 2014,08:02) Wakeup, 4) Everyone that is born again is a child of the kingdom.
Matthew 13:47-50
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Kerwin.Many BORN AGAIN so called will be rejected.
What is this born again so called be, as security?
Once BORN AGAIN; one is BORN AGAIN: CAN NOT PUT BACK INTO THE WOMB.
Can one be UNBORN again?What is the use of being Born again if one can still be cast
into the lake of fire?This is a doctrine that have been accepted by many, without
searching the scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,Those who are born again to become Christians receive the Holy Spirit which teaches all righteousness. A student can either choose to learn from their instructor or to show contempt and rebel. That choice determines whether or not the chooser will inherit the kingdom of God though being born again beings you into Heaven's kingdom.
Hi WU,
I hear a thousand reasons why baptism in not necessary but Peter was speaking by the Spirit when he spoke in Acts 2
Are you greater than Peter or the other apostles in Acts?
Are you more blessed in wisdom?Hi,
Acts 86
And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Philip baptised in water immediately under the inspiration of God's Spirit
Hi,
Acts 22
6 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2014,03:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2014,05:21) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 28 2014,08:02) Wakeup, 4) Everyone that is born again is a child of the kingdom.
Matthew 13:47-50
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Kerwin.Many BORN AGAIN so called will be rejected.
What is this born again so called be, as security?
Once BORN AGAIN; one is BORN AGAIN: CAN NOT PUT BACK INTO THE WOMB.
Can one be UNBORN again?What is the use of being Born again if one can still be cast
into the lake of fire?This is a doctrine that have been accepted by many, without
searching the scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,Those who are born again to become Christians receive the Holy Spirit which teaches all righteousness. A student can either choose to learn from their instructor or to show contempt and rebel. That choice determines whether or not the chooser will inherit the kingdom of God though being born again beings you into Heaven's kingdom.
Kerwin.Understand Jesus words in John3.
and analyse carefully.1.First born is out of water.(natural birth).
2.Second born is out of spirit.(unatural birth).(spiritual birth).First born is out of mothers water.
Second born is out of mother Zion's spirit.Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
***or shall a nation be *BORN* at once***?
***for as soon as Zion travailed,
***she brought forth her children***.THIS IS THE SECOND BIRTH.THE TRUE (BORN AGAIN).
wakeup.
Hi,
The way of God has never changed since Philip preached.He preached the Word[acts 8.4]
Men and women alike accepted baptism[Acts 8.12]
Then hands were laid on for them to receive the Spirit [Acts 8.17]But the gospel of man is to accept Jesus as saviour and read the bible then claim you are saved using limited knowledge as evidence
Hi WU,
1.First born is out of water.(natural birth).
Scripture rather calls this of BLOOD jn 1.13=I.e flesh
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2014,04:31) Hi WU, 1.First born is out of water.(natural birth).
Scripture rather calls this of BLOOD jn 1.13=I.e flesh
Nick,Good passage as it covers both births.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2014,08:57) Hi WU,
Being naturally born is not said to be of water in the bible
So who is your guide?
Nick.Decern Jesus words,and dont be tricked by the word water.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTISED AND YET HE IS PROMISED PARADISE.JESUS DOES NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
BUT THE THIEF WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.
JESUS WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.IF JESUS WAS NOT BAPTISED BY JOHN.
DOES IT MEAN THAT HE CAN NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD? WAS JESUS *BORN AGAIN* AT HIS BAPTISM,AND NOT
*BORN AGAIN* BEFORE HIS BAPTISM? ?JESUS WAS BORN OUT OF MOTHERS WATER ,THEREFORE
HE IS *FLESH*
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.BAPTISM IN WATER DOES NOT MAKE ONE SPIRIT.
ONLY ONE BORN OUT OF MOTHER ZION'S BELLY IS BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT: AND IS SPIRIT.MANY ARE TRICKED BY THE WORD WATER, AS OF WATER BAPTISM; BUT IT'S NOT WATER BAPTISM ,BUT MOTHER'S WATER.
JESUS MENTIONED WATER, AND SPIRIT.
JESUS MENTIONED FLESH ,AND SPIRIT.
WATER MEANING FLESH,BORN OF FLESH.
SPIRIT MEANING SPIRIT, BORN OF THE SPIRIT.A GREAT ERROR HAS BEEN MADE IN THIS BY THE CHURCHES.AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED FOR CENTURIES
AS TRUTH,BECAUSE THE SHEEP DONT SEEK.Lets all be baptised with water,I am not against it.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
The thief was not promised salvation under the new covenant.“MANY ARE TRICKED BY THE WORD WATER, AS OF WATER BAPTISM; BUT IT'S NOT WATER BAPTISM ,BUT MOTHER'S WATER.”
Seems you are tricked as you offer no scriptural support for this usage.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2014,10:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2014,04:31) Hi WU, 1.First born is out of water.(natural birth).
Scripture rather calls this of BLOOD jn 1.13=I.e flesh
Nick,Good passage as it covers both births.
Water and blood.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2014,10:36) Hi WU,
The thief was not promised salvation under the new covenant.“MANY ARE TRICKED BY THE WORD WATER, AS OF WATER BAPTISM; BUT IT'S NOT WATER BAPTISM ,BUT MOTHER'S WATER.”
Seems you are tricked as you offer no scriptural support for this usage.
Nick.You see with your human eyes and observe with your
understanding.
1.Born of the flesh is flesh.(what is born of the flesh)?
2.Born of the spirit is spirit.(what is born of the spirit)?That is it; there is no other kind of birth spoken of.
Nicodemus was not asking Jesus about baptism but about born again.
How can the topic changed into baptism?
water is not spirit.We put water on our plants.
We all drink coke,lemonade.
We flush our tiolets with water.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Quote THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTISED AND YET HE IS PROMISED PARADISE.JESUS DOES NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
BUT THE THIEF WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.
JESUS WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.Being a Jew he may well have been immersed in water since the Jews practice immersion to this day. For that reason a master of Israel should have known what Jesus was speaking of.
The thief died under the law and so was accountable as one who died under the old covenant and so did not receive the Holy Spirit when he was immersed. On the other hand he put fruit to his repentance.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2014,13:30) Wakeup, Quote THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTISED AND YET HE IS PROMISED PARADISE.JESUS DOES NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
BUT THE THIEF WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.
JESUS WAS BORN OF MOTHERS WATER.Being a Jew he may well have been immersed in water since the Jews practice immersion to this day. For that reason a master of Israel should have known what Jesus was speaking of.
The thief died under the law and so was accountable as one who died under the old covenant and so did not receive the Holy Spirit when he was immersed. On the other hand he put fruit to his repentance.
Kerwin.1.He is a thief.
2.It is only possible that he was baptised with water.
3.He is still a thief.His water baptism did nothing to him.
4.He was forgiven as Jesus spoke to him.
5.He is one of the many jews chosen to be in paradise.
6.The baptism of the Holy spirit will be in paradise as he is
learning and seeking.wakeup.
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