Is baptism needed for salvation?

[kerwin]

T,

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Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth

Are you sure as it is written:

Matthew 6:10
American Standard Version (ASV)

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Matthew referred to the kingdom Jesus preached as THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Mark and Luke and Paul referred to it as THE KINGDOM OF GOD

It is not to do with PLACE

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Jesus called his followers his sheep of which he was the good shepherd.
They are promised safety.

But God in his wisdom has decided to fill the places at His banquet with other sheep not of the fold.
He calls in the poor, those in the highways and byways because mercy and love is his nature.

Best to join the flock and not just hope for mercy.

[terraricca]

hi Nick and kerwin

so you have decided to give your opinion over all the scriptures I have given you

now what I should do what you seem not to believe those scriptures ,why are we going to keep talking about this

what for ;I do not believe men but scriptures ,

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
??

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,00:46)

Hi T, ??

HI Nick and Kerwin

1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
1Pe 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God;

Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven and earth

MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;(this verse shows that also the righteous men from of old will be in heaven )

JN 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

MT 10:6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

MT 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.” (only 144k are chosen or redeemed from the earth )

MT 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

now the following verses are at the second resurrection;

MT 25:32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
MT 25:33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

to me it appears that the division lays between those that go to heaven and those that are for the earth ;but both belong to the same kingdom ,
worship the same God and are saved by the same God in the same way ,and at the end under the new Jerusalem ,when she is coming down to earth (144k) will rule the earth as priest ,

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

there are other scriptures that collaborate to this but this would be a start ;

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[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Weak presentation.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,02:13)

Hi T, Weak presentation.

nick

stupid answer ;you can not broom away those scriptures ,but then knowing you I guess it your way

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Anyone can show scripture.
opinions added do not help

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,02:32)

Hi T, Anyone can show scripture. opinions added do not help

Nick

you are running away

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41)

T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.

K

does those scriptures not teach you anything

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
We do not see what you see always.
Perhaps you get it wrong?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,02:45)

Hi T, We do not see what you see always. Perhaps you get it wrong?

Nick

that is the reason why I ask what you see

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The head of the body is in heaven but the members are on earth.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,06:48)

Hi, The head of the body is in heaven but the members are on earth.

hi Nick

but scriptures says the head his Christ and the body seems to be the 144k that are redeemed from the earth and so go were ever Christ goes so they must the body

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything

T,

It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven.

K

who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH

AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
God is not offering different places to each.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2014,10:07)

Hi T, God is not offering different places to each.

hi Nick

not to each but to the heavenly call and the earthly call ,,

if you can with scriptures show me differently please do so

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Where are these calls?

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