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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,11:02) Hi T,
What relevance would that have?
In Christ there is no difference between Jew and Gentile
hi Nickthat is right but it did not came until Cornelius did it
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2014,08:11) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,13:29) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2014,10:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,00:33) IT IS YOUR DEDUCTION THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ' AND YET THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTIZE IN WATER ,CORNELIUS RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT THE WATER BAPTISM ,AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENTILES IN ACT 15 DOES NOT MENTION THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT ,
BUT A CHANGE IN HEART IS REQUIRED ,THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS REQUIRED ,TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS REQUIRED,THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS REQUIRED, THE WORSHIP OF GOD IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT IS REQUIRED ;
ALL THOSE ARE WELL CLEARLY EXPRESSED AND ARE ALL RELATED TO GOOD WORKS ,
WATER BAPTISM SEEMS TO BE FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST AND FOR THE JEWS ,THE ONES THAT ARE INVITED INTO THE 144K CLASS
T,Have you not read that King Saul received the Spirit?
1 Samuel 10:6
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)6 Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
Which covenant do you believe he was under?
Kand we know how he changed to his old self later right
T,He chose wickedness though he was inconsistent in it.
The question I asked what what covenant was he under when the Spirit came on him and he told prophecy?
T,Have considered the case of King Saul who had the Spirit come on him even though he was under the old covenant?
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2014,00:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,11:02) Hi T,
What relevance would that have?
In Christ there is no difference between Jew and Gentile
hi Nickthat is right but it did not came until Cornelius did it
Hi T,
So??Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2014,23:14) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2014,08:11) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,13:29) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2014,10:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,00:33) IT IS YOUR DEDUCTION THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ' AND YET THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTIZE IN WATER ,CORNELIUS RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT THE WATER BAPTISM ,AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENTILES IN ACT 15 DOES NOT MENTION THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT ,
BUT A CHANGE IN HEART IS REQUIRED ,THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS REQUIRED ,TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS REQUIRED,THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS REQUIRED, THE WORSHIP OF GOD IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT IS REQUIRED ;
ALL THOSE ARE WELL CLEARLY EXPRESSED AND ARE ALL RELATED TO GOOD WORKS ,
WATER BAPTISM SEEMS TO BE FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST AND FOR THE JEWS ,THE ONES THAT ARE INVITED INTO THE 144K CLASS
T,Have you not read that King Saul received the Spirit?
1 Samuel 10:6
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)6 Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
Which covenant do you believe he was under?
Kand we know how he changed to his old self later right
T,He chose wickedness though he was inconsistent in it.
The question I asked what what covenant was he under when the Spirit came on him and he told prophecy?
T,Have considered the case of King Saul who had the Spirit come on him even though he was under the old covenant?
kI believe that the new covenant was for the 144k only ,
no one else as received the promise of being part of Christ kingdom in heaven but the 144k
all other will be receiving life on earth
Hi,
Not essential.
But you have to pretty sure God will allow you to be an exception.best to enter through the door.
To all,
The words to Nicodemus was that you must be born of water and spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those before the new covenant, such as Nicodemus or the thief on the cross, could not enter the new covenant and so would judged in the same way as those that entered the new covenant. In fact the thief never received the opportunity to do so.
Jesus was teaching the gospel at the time the new covenant was not yet established. His words can be applied to both the time of the new covenant and to the time previous to it but in different ways. Jesus spoke to the woman at the well and said that water came from him and that water leads to eternal life. He also told us that the word he spoke is life. So he well could have been telling Nicodemus that you must be reborn in word and in spirit. A different interpretation is he was telling Nicodemus to me immersed in water and get a new spirit, A teaching any Jew should have known. In the new covenant it is different as you can receive the Spirit as a teacher unlike before.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 05 2014,01:59) I was wondering.
Who baptised Paul?wakeup.
Wakeup,Did you look?
Acts 22:16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
It does not say who did it but it says he was.
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Quote So I believe if I was living in the time of the birth of the Messiah, I would have fled town when I saw Mary and Joseph leave. Some probably did, but most of the people weren't paying attention to the Signs in the heavens or to what was going on around them. I think it is clear that many people were church goers but not church doers, just like today. this is another one of claim that could never be fulfilled even if you were living around Jerusalem ,
first only Mary and Joseph were notified to leave during that same night ,and so did ,and only those two knew about the birth of the child and they have kept it quite ,
the fulfillment of the word of God is more important than the will of men ,
many religion like to go back in history picking what was done under the law and temple ,because they use it for their own benefice ,rituals is enslavement, yet Jesus talks about freedom , from men ,Paul also tells us that the don't and do's are pure men made ,
it should be understood that those who come to Christ are coming to be freed from this world of abuse and lies ,
the truth will make you free ; this means the truth teach in the scriptures ,but not the part that as made Israel fall ,we as believers should believe the truth teach from the spirit for the spirit so that all men can come to be righteous and free from the practice of the flesh ,I do not believe that Christ baptism was made to show that all followers ad to be baptized ,Jews yes and for good reason ,and specially that generation the participant of the guilt for the death of Christ ,
the first commandment say that we have to love God with all our heart and mind,and soul ,and strength by doing just that we can achieve the teaching of Christ ;if you practice this the world around us ,were ever we would be will be seeing the powers of God in us ,then we would a real light ,
now if you feel that you should be baptized in water before God and men do it because it is your conscience
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,00:39) Hi T,
Your beliefs need more foundation than your opinion.
hi NickRev;7 -9 as a starter
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.T,
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
It sounds like it means just what it states and not what you are using it to support.
God pronounced that the children of Israel were a nation of priests, Exodus 19:6.
Hi KW,
Fantasy I believe unless he can prove a division in Christ.
Not all roles in the body are as important as others but the body needs everyone.[1Cor12 eph4]HI Nick and Kerwin
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
1Pe 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God;Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven and earth
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;(this verse shows that also the righteous men from of old will be in heaven )
JN 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.MT 10:6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
MT 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.” (only 144k are chosen or redeemed from the earth )
MT 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
now the following verses are at the second resurrection;
MT 25:32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
MT 25:33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.to me it appears that the division lays between those that go to heaven and those that are for the earth ;but both belong to the same kingdom ,
worship the same God and are saved by the same God in the same way ,and at the end under the new Jerusalem ,when she is coming down to earth (144k) will rule the earth as priest ,Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.there are other scriptures that collaborate to this but this would be a start ;
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