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Many hear the calling, receive the cleansing waters, walk on with their journey, then are chosen, receive the spirit from above, penetrating their inner being, so are complete, so long as they stay on the path there being only one.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2014,13:31) K Look at the word “When” in verse 6 ,read it slowly
T,I covered that. The laying on of hands occurred after the men were immersed in the name of Jesus.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2014,23:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2014,13:31) K Look at the word “When” in verse 6 ,read it slowly
T,I covered that. The laying on of hands occurred after the men were immersed in the name of Jesus.
Kthey were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them;
AND WHEN Paul HAD (PAST TENSE) Laid his hands upon them
is not the baptism of Christ to receive the HOLY SPIRIT
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
IS IT THE FACT THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST CAME BAPTIZING WITH WATER THAT AS SOON AS THE BAPTIZING EMERGES WE IN OUR MIND CONNECTED TO WATER
WHAT CONNECTION AS WATER WITH THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN COMMON
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2014,23:43) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2014,23:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2014,13:31) K Look at the word “When” in verse 6 ,read it slowly
T,I covered that. The laying on of hands occurred after the men were immersed in the name of Jesus.
Kthey were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them;
AND WHEN Paul HAD (PAST TENSE) Laid his hands upon them
is not the baptism of Christ to receive the HOLY SPIRIT
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
IS IT THE FACT THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST CAME BAPTIZING WITH WATER THAT AS SOON AS THE BAPTIZING EMERGES WE IN OUR MIND CONNECTED TO WATER
WHAT CONNECTION AS WATER WITH THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN COMMON
T,Quote is not the baptism of Christ to receive the HOLY SPIRIT It depends what purpose you are speaking of. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been received even in the OT while the Councilor is a thing of the new covenant. The end of verse seven reveals that the purpose of the Spirit they received by the laying on of hands was to deliver the gifts.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2014,02:31) 2Besee. Which path?
The path of meditation wih the monks,
and with the bishops, as you say?wakeup.
The message from God is to repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Why do you try to prevent the message which was for somebody else.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2014,19:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2014,02:31) 2Besee. Which path?
The path of meditation wih the monks,
and with the bishops, as you say?wakeup.
The message from God is to repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Why do you try to prevent the message which was for somebody else.
2Besee.Have you been baptised?
If so,by whom?
Is he a true preacher?
If so then its fine.wakeup.
k
Quote The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been received even in the OT while the Councilor is a thing of the new covenant. The end of verse seven reveals that the purpose of the Spirit they received by the laying on of hands was to deliver the gifts. are the gift not related to the will and need of God
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,00:02) k Quote The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been received even in the OT while the Councilor is a thing of the new covenant. The end of verse seven reveals that the purpose of the Spirit they received by the laying on of hands was to deliver the gifts. are the gift not related to the will and need of God
T,The gifts are given by God as is the Counselor so they are related in that way.
The Romans 6 speaks of the counselor coming with immersion but their are cases of the gifts being given at different times than immersion occurs.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,00:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,00:02) k Quote The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been received even in the OT while the Councilor is a thing of the new covenant. The end of verse seven reveals that the purpose of the Spirit they received by the laying on of hands was to deliver the gifts. are the gift not related to the will and need of God
T,The gifts are given by God as is the Counselor so they are related in that way.
The Romans 6 speaks of the counselor coming with immersion but their are cases of the gifts being given at different times than immersion occurs.
kis the holyspirit and the comforter and the spirit of truth not all the same thing
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,03:46) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,00:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,00:02) k Quote The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been received even in the OT while the Councilor is a thing of the new covenant. The end of verse seven reveals that the purpose of the Spirit they received by the laying on of hands was to deliver the gifts. are the gift not related to the will and need of God
T,The gifts are given by God as is the Counselor so they are related in that way.
The Romans 6 speaks of the counselor coming with immersion but their are cases of the gifts being given at different times than immersion occurs.
kis the holyspirit and the comforter and the spirit of truth not all the same thing
T,The comforter and the gift giver are two different appearances of the holy spirit. One appears to teach righteousness and the other appears to give gifts.
Romans 6 speaks of an immersion that delivers a person from being a servant of sin and that is effect of the concealer appearing.
When Paul laid his hand on the men they revealed the effect of the gift giver.
In both cases the spirit comes from God and does the task it is assigned. The counselor is the more important of the two.
k
in roman 6 Paul talks about the baptism of dead in the flesh of sin.all of us have to pass that baptism this is the way to life,
if we have turned our heart and mind to God then we cannot use our limbs to do what is wrong,all our body part have to be without sin as well,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,14:59) k in roman 6 Paul talks about the baptism of dead in the flesh of sin.all of us have to pass that baptism this is the way to life,
if we have turned our heart and mind to God then we cannot use our limbs to do what is wrong,all our body part have to be without sin as well,
T,I agree as the comforter come to teach us all things and if we choose to live only by the spirit and not by the flesh then we will do all that is right. We know “they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” Paul's words to the Roman's in chapter 6 tell us believers are crucified with Christ when they are immersed.
Only Acts speaks of the giving of gifts, and then mostly using examples of the giving and not teaching of how they are received. There are some mentions in the OT as well. There are at least two different way God uses to give the gifts, one is directly and the other is by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14-17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
According to this the Giftgiver did not come with immersion in Jesus' name. It came when the apostles laid their hands on hands on believers. The same order of things happened when Paul brought the students of John the Baptist into full knowledge of the Christ.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,15:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,14:59) k in roman 6 Paul talks about the baptism of dead in the flesh of sin.all of us have to pass that baptism this is the way to life,
if we have turned our heart and mind to God then we cannot use our limbs to do what is wrong,all our body part have to be without sin as well,
T,I agree as the comforter come to teach us all things and if we choose to live only by the spirit and not by the flesh then we will do all that is right. We know “they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” Paul's words to the Roman's in chapter 6 tell us believers are crucified with Christ when they are immersed.
Only Acts speaks of the giving of gifts, and then mostly using examples of the giving and not teaching of how they are received. There are some mentions in the OT as well. There are at least two different way God uses to give the gifts, one is directly and the other is by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14-17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
According to this the Giftgiver did not come with immersion in Jesus' name. It came when the apostles laid their hands on hands on believers. The same order of things happened when Paul brought the students of John the Baptist into full knowledge of the Christ.
kunderstand that the comforter was only given for those who knew personally Christ because he as to die and go away leaving them “alone”
the gift of miracles were given to promote God's works not to make man look like gods ,
Kerwin.
That was Jesus promise to His apostles.
Ask anything in my name And I will give it to you.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:43) Kerwin. That was Jesus promise to His apostles.
Ask anything in my name And I will give it to you.wakeup.
WShow a scripture that tells that they have ask something more than grace
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,23:51) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,15:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,14:59) k in roman 6 Paul talks about the baptism of dead in the flesh of sin.all of us have to pass that baptism this is the way to life,
if we have turned our heart and mind to God then we cannot use our limbs to do what is wrong,all our body part have to be without sin as well,
T,I agree as the comforter come to teach us all things and if we choose to live only by the spirit and not by the flesh then we will do all that is right. We know “they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” Paul's words to the Roman's in chapter 6 tell us believers are crucified with Christ when they are immersed.
Only Acts speaks of the giving of gifts, and then mostly using examples of the giving and not teaching of how they are received. There are some mentions in the OT as well. There are at least two different way God uses to give the gifts, one is directly and the other is by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14-17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
According to this the Giftgiver did not come with immersion in Jesus' name. It came when the apostles laid their hands on hands on believers. The same order of things happened when Paul brought the students of John the Baptist into full knowledge of the Christ.
kunderstand that the comforter was only given for those who knew personally Christ because he as to die and go away leaving them “alone”
the gift of miracles were given to promote God's works not to make man look like gods ,
T,Why do you come to that conclusion?
Consider that those that live by the spirit know all that is righteous as manifest the fruit of righteousness.
1 John 2:20
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:43) Kerwin. That was Jesus promise to His apostles.
Ask anything in my name And I will give it to you.wakeup.
Wakeup,Are you implying that Jesus children other than the apostles will not receive what they ask from God?
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,17:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:43) Kerwin. That was Jesus promise to His apostles.
Ask anything in my name And I will give it to you.wakeup.
WShow a scripture that tells that they have ask something more than grace
T.The apostles have not learned that they can ask.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
wakeup.
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