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We are saved by the blood. There is only one baptism that saves us, yet I have proved to you that the scriptures refer to more then one baptism. If there is more then one baptism and one saves us, and we know that our sins are cleansed by the sprinkling of blood, it is the baptism of blood that saves us. Not water.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 25 2006,23:48) We are saved by the blood. There is only one baptism that saves us, yet I have proved to you that the scriptures refer to more then one baptism. If there is more then one baptism and one saves us, and we know that our sins are cleansed by the sprinkling of blood, it is the baptism of blood that saves us. Not water.
Hi H,
These are your words but I would prefer treasures from the source we both agree is pure-the Word of God- even the KJV.I still do not see baptism of blood in the KJV bible but you say it is there so will keep looking, as you say you utterly believe the KJV.
Hi H,
Hebrews 6.1f tells us about the various washings.
There is at least the baptism of John and the baptism of water into Christ and the baptism of the Spirit.Are you getting confused with us being
UNITED
through the baptism of waterentering through the gate of Christ into ONE body
sharing the
ONE Spirit?Surely not.
Hi h,
You seem to have missed the significance of the word “ONE”It is UNITY that is being discussed not competing one baptism with another an excluding part of the Ways of God.
You have not found the baptism of blood in the bible-that is not it.
The baptism of the Spirit is always denoted as such.
The baptism of John no longer relates.So baptism, the baptism in your verse, as also shown also elsewhere,
is baptism in water.
We all must undergo it.
God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
That is the baptism done through men, that defines the Body of Christ, though as with Simon Magus God sometimes has to refine it's meaning.Baptism in the Spirit was sometimes done later, is possible through prayer, and is done by Christ anyway, so does not define always that Body.
The baptism that brings us all into Christ is the one that saves us. And that is the Bapism that cleanses our sins. It is the blood of the lamb that washes away our sins.
Hi H,
Anywhere in the scriptures would be good to show us the baptism in the blood written.
But the situation of Simon Magus is in Acts 8.9-24This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. As it was on those on the day of Pentecost. Simon had already been baptized in water. Notice verse 13. It says he first believed. Then was baptized.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Simon was already saved by believing and then recieved the baptism in water. Yet, he allowed sin to creep into him and wished to purchase the ability of laying of of hands to administer the baptism of the Holy Spirit. More then likely for financial gain. Yet, that is just speculation. It does not say if he repented, but he did ask the apostles to pray for him.
Hi H,
Phililp did not seem to lay on hands for Christ to baptise in the Spirit. He left it to others like Peter and John.
So it says
“v14
“they sent them Peter and John who came down and prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they began laying hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit”So Simon had been baptised in WATER [v12-13]but not the Spirit, as none of the other new believers had either.Surely this shows the priorities of our God.
The eunuch too is interesting in Acts 8 36. We do not know what Philip taught him from Isaiah but we do know they discussed water baptism from the cry of the eunuch.
'Look ! Water! What prevents me being baptised?”
He did not cry out for hands to be laid on him for the baptism in the Spirit but for water baptism and in fact Philip did not do so but was whipped away by God.
Hi H,
You keep trying to divide water baptism from salvation, whereas the ways of God demand that it be included.“Repent, believe and be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins..”
You are not saved till your sins are forgiven and you are sprinkled with the blood of the Lamb.
Nick, you already admitted that water baptism does not save us. Now you are going back the other way. You are wishy washy. You are suppose to be a teacher of the word? You can't do that Nick. Yes, we should have the water baptism, but one will not lose their salvation if they don't recieve it.
Hi H,
You keep claiming to know the mind of God on the forgiveness of men.
What you state about the lack of the need for water is not of scripture but speculation.
God's ways are not our ways.
His demands are righteous.
Is it not best to simply obey and leave God's work to God?I agree we have to be saved by the sprinkling of the blood of the lamb, the baptism of blood. I believe that it is essential we get the water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit to have the full armor of the faith, but if we don't have the water or Holy Spirit baptism, we still are saved. It just makes it very difficult to walk the walk of faith. Don't you see this is true? Search your heart.
Hi H,
One thing that is plain from reading the book of Acts is that whenever any person was ready to make peace with God he was baptised in water IMMEDIATELY and there are something like 16 or 17 such water baptisms shown in that book.Your view, however, is different.
You say it is an optional extra.
You say maybe.
You say it does not really matter anyway.'Why do you delay? Arise and be baptised, and wash away your sins calling on his name.”
Whom should we believe ?
Who has been affected by the world?You or Paul?
No, Nick, I am saying it is unimportant that one should not have it done. If it is not done, it is not going to aid it the fullness of faith. If you notice, the apostles immediately took believers out and gave water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit if possible.
You continue insisting that if one is lack in the baptisms of water or the Holy Ghost, they will lose their salvation. That is contrary to the word of God. Show me where it says one loses his salvation if he is not baptized by water?
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