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Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,13:14) Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2012,06:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,11:33) Hi ED,
Indeed the first birth is flesh of flesh.
No water mentioned.
Hi Nick,That was part of Jesus' explanation to Nicodemus about spiritual re-birth.
God bless
Ed J
Ed;The rebirth by the Spirit would not occur until Jesus raised from the dead.
Hi Kerwin,Exactly, that is what baptism symbolizes!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,22:35) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,16:09) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,03:54) Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
Ac 9:19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.pay attention to what it says ;is this a water or a spirit baptism
wen did Paul received the holy spirit now it says that he staid many days in Damascus and ONLY after that he start his preaching,
T;Another account adds details.
Acts 22
King James Version (KJV)12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Kyou know Baptism mean immersion right .??? yes
I use to go to french immersion class ;I believe you understand what that mean right
?WE ARE NOT SAVED BY DIP IN WATER,BUT BY DIPPING DEEP IN GODS WORDS AND RECEIVE TRUE UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE THIS IS THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN THIS IS THE WATERS THAT BRINGS LIVE, OUR SINS ARE REMOVE NOT IN AN INSTANT BUT THE GUILT IS SO THAT WE MAY LOOK FORWARD TO GOD GIVEN GRACE THROUGH CHRIST WITH CONFIDENCE.
T;I brought up that passage because it states “wash away thy sins”. It also parallels the Ethiopian Eunuch who said:
Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Ananias and the Ethiopian Eunuch were clearly speaking of the same immersion; the immersion in water for the forgiveness of sins. It it is done to cleanse the spirit by the power of God; not the skin.
K and Nshow some accound of baptism other than those who are called to heaven ,(144k)
and show me some scriptures were it says that it will be a requirement after the year 70 AD (destruction of Jerusalem)
like in Revelation what is open to all;
Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.”
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
Rev 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.you guys are pushing away many of the old testament away and push the new one but in the new there are also two calls ,and you are so greedy that you all believe that you will be at the table with Abraham and Christ ,and so believe that your are an elect one if this is true so be it but only to you ,my aspiration is only the favor of my God,so I may live.
T;
Quote show some account of baptism other than those who are called to heaven ,(144k) The Devil is tricking you as everyone that inherits the kingdom is part of the 144000; which symbolically represents all of God’s people. Not all that are immersed are God’s people but when God’s people are offered the chance to be immersed into the new covenant and receive the new man they do it. So all that are immersed are either God’s people or tricksters Satan has inserted among them.
We are taught that Simon the Ignorant was immersed in water and received the Word.
Quote Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.Quote and show me some scriptures were it says that it will be a requirement after the year 70 AD (destruction of Jerusalem) This is another trick; as only Revelations is written after 70 A.D. I do know that those who bring another gospel, even after 70 A.D., stand accursed just as it is written:
Quote Galatians 1:8
King James Version (KJV)8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Believe God’s promise that he will create a righteousness and holiness for you that is like his and enter that promise by being immersed in faith; just as Abraham in faith prepared to sacrifice Isaac.
Quote Matthew 5:6
King James Version (KJV)6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
And
Quote Ephesians 4:24
King James Version (KJV)24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2012,10:01) T; Quote show some account of baptism other than those who are called to heaven ,(144k) The Devil is tricking you as everyone that inherits the kingdom is part of the 144000; which symbolically represents all of God’s people. Not all that are immersed are God’s people but when God’s people are offered the chance to be immersed into the new covenant and receive the new man they do it. So all that are immersed are either God’s people or tricksters Satan has inserted among them.
We are taught that Simon the Ignorant was immersed in water and received the Word.
Quote Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.Quote and show me some scriptures were it says that it will be a requirement after the year 70 AD (destruction of Jerusalem) This is another trick; as only Revelations is written after 70 A.D. I do know that those who bring another gospel, even after 70 A.D., stand accursed just as it is written:
Quote Galatians 1:8
King James Version (KJV)8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Believe God’s promise that he will create a righteousness and holiness for you that is like his and enter that promise by being immersed in faith; just as Abraham in faith prepared to sacrifice Isaac.
Quote Matthew 5:6
King James Version (KJV)6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
And
Quote Ephesians 4:24
King James Version (KJV)24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Kyou are deceiving your self with your own interpretation ;you say;;
the 144000; which symbolically represents all of God’s people.
were in scriptures is it say so ;
?or did you went at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ???and listen to the snake
Pierre;
Quote K you are deceiving your self with your own interpretation ;you say;;
the 144000; which symbolically represents all of God’s people.
were in scriptures is it say so ;
?or did you went at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ???and listen to the snake
I know how the people of God spoke at that time and numbers had meaning just as words do. 6 for instance is the number of man and the number of beast as both men and beast of the land were created on the 6th day. 12 is the whole of God's people as their are 12 tribes in the house of Israel. Why do you think there is 12 virgins that await the coming of their husband? The twelve virgins are the whole church. 6 is the number of man; and those who have too little oil; and are the natural men among those who claim to serve God. 6 is also the number of man; and are those who bought extra oil; who are the spiritual men among the whole church.
There are not just 12 virgins that await the coming but numbers 12,6 and the virgins symbolize the whole church through time as the division in the church between those approved of God; and those not.
Don't you understand that God speaks to you in parable when he mentions the 144,000 in Revelations?
Hi KW,
There is no evidence that natural men who think they serve God have ever tasted of the SpiritWhat does water babtism serve?
If one decides to change his life according to christ,
he /she has to come forward and to be seen of witnesses.
That he has promised the Lord to live according to christ.The water symbolises the washing of the *PREVIOUS* sins.
This does not guarantee everlasting life.
For many have broken that promise by living a sinful life again;just as it was before.
He has *UNBABTIZED HIMSELF*.This is worse in my opinion,because he has promised the Lord ,and then broken that promise.
Does he need to be babtized again? And again? To wash away the sins?
Was Judas iscariot not babtized? That baptism has not done a thing for him,does it? If one is dying in the desert and he repented for his sins,how can he be babtised, with no water around? Is he lost because of no water?An unbabtized person living a christlike life will be saved;
rather than a babtized person living a worldly life.
Anyone one disagree with this, is because he has been moulded by the churches according to their faulty doctrines.Be babtized with water thats very good;but then,the proof is in the pudding. Many babtized christians have gone back to the spirit of babylon.The washed away sins, has reappeared
double.Many unbabtized with water christians, has come out of babylon,because the father has drawn them,and given them babtism of the Holy spirit.The spirit of Christ dwells in them.
Why are some not babtized with water?
It is because they can not find anyone worthy of babtizing;
they all are of the world.
I will not have the pope babtize me,or some other preacher.
The proof in the pudding is what counts.And that is, to come out of babylon,and dwell in the city of peace;Zion, and receive mercy.
Call upon the name of the Lord daily,and ask for mercy,and he will hear. Dont touch the unclean thing,and be holy.Many also are babtized with water and the Holy spirit.
Be babtized with water ,and keep yourself clean.
Forbid not to babtize. Dont judge by babtism,but by the fruits.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,23:29) Pierre; Quote K you are deceiving your self with your own interpretation ;you say;;
the 144000; which symbolically represents all of God’s people.
were in scriptures is it say so ;
?or did you went at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ???and listen to the snake
I know how the people of God spoke at that time and numbers had meaning just as words do. 6 for instance is the number of man and the number of beast as both men and beast of the land were created on the 6th day. 12 is the whole of God's people as their are 12 tribes in the house of Israel. Why do you think there is 12 virgins that await the coming of their husband? The twelve virgins are the whole church. 6 is the number of man; and those who have too little oil; and are the natural men among those who claim to serve God. 6 is also the number of man; and are those who bought extra oil; who are the spiritual men among the whole church.
There are not just 12 virgins that await the coming but numbers 12,6 and the virgins symbolize the whole church through time as the division in the church between those approved of God; and those not.
Don't you understand that God speaks to you in parable when he mentions the 144,000 in Revelations?
KI disagree with you on this ,it is true that God ,use symbolism talk but at the same time he uses literal truth and meaning ,this is where the flesh man is deceived in his own view of the understanding of God's truth ,
it does not matter if you would be an expert in the Hebrew and Greek languages and culture,GOD SEES AND SAY THINGS 1000 YEARS AHEAD OF THERE ACCOMPLISHMENT,
and so God knows that the changes are to come in all things included the culture of the nation ,HE IS THE ONE THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN ,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2013,05:22) always think that Christ came to free us from the world of the flesh ,can anyone understand this
T,He did not come to save us from the world of flesh, he came to save us from our sins.
Matthew 1:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 16 2013,05:56) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2013,05:22) always think that Christ came to free us from the world of the flesh ,can anyone understand this
T,He did not come to save us from the world of flesh, he came to save us from our sins.
Matthew 1:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Ksin is enter the world ;and so this world will be replaced by a sin free one .
Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—MT 13:22 “And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
MT 13:38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
MT 18:7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!
JN 1:29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
JN 15:19 “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
JN 16:8 “And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;of cause it is the sins ;but it is the world of Satan that produces all the things that lead to sin and deception ,and Christ came and teaches how to free ourselves from it ,through faith in him
K
what really does the the work that shows our change in heart his our faith in our way of being submit to God ,in thinking ,actions,and talking for the rest of your life in this world ,understand that no one get life from only one action event or receive from one action ,
our faith is a life long commitment or forever
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes,(this is not baptism this is the true commitment of a pure life in Christ faith for as long we have to live now and for ever )
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2014,01:41) T, Immersal is a pledge of a clear conscious. A person has to keep their pledge.
KYes but it is the pledge in the heart that counts,
Look,what Paul says in Cor: that he is happy that he did not baptize many for they had use baptism as a ritual of distinction ,just. As we have it today in full blooming ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2014,02:02) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2014,01:41) T, Immersal is a pledge of a clear conscious. A person has to keep their pledge.
KYes but it is the pledge in the heart that counts,
Look,what Paul says in Cor: that he is happy that he did not baptize many for they had use baptism as a ritual of distinction ,just. As we have it today in full blooming ,
T,To focus on immersal and take it off other parts of the gospel is suicidal. The focus must be on the whole.
Paul did immerse believers but he did not regard himself as being relevant to the process. Some among the believers were treating him or others as important.
K
SO THE WATER BAPTISM WAS FIRST WITH JOHN THE BAPTIST “FOR REPENTANCE OF THE JEWS “
THE SECOND BAPTISM WATER THAT IS ; IS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST JESUS :”FOR ACCESSING A CLEAR CONSCIENCE ” HOW IS THAT COME ABOUT
IS IT NOT THE RENEWAL OF THE SOUL AND SPIRIT AND MIND THAT WILL BRING THE NEW CLEAR CONSCIENCE KNOWING THAT WHAT THE PERSON DOES AND THINK IS GOOD IN THE EYES OF GOD
WHY WAS THE CIRCUMCISION NOT CONTINUED
BECAUSE IT WAS A RITUAL SET FOR THING TO COME LATER ;THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART , JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS THE LAST PROPHET SO HIS BAPTISM WAS ALSO PART OF THE THINGS OF OLD AFTER CHRIST DEAD THE OLD WAS DONE JOHN THE BAPTIST SAID THE ONE THAT COMES AFTER ME “WILL BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
NOW IS THE HOLY SPIRIT ALSO “WATER”
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