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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,10:42) Hi ED,
So how is CHILDBIRTH shown here-except by your implication?
That which is born of the flesh is fleshQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,11:33) Hi ED,
Indeed the first birth is flesh of flesh.
No water mentioned.
Hi Nick,That was part of Jesus' explanation to Nicodemus about spiritual re-birth.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick, in between what?
Water is our first birth, and spirit is our re-birth.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 16 2012,06:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,11:33) Hi ED,
Indeed the first birth is flesh of flesh.
No water mentioned.
Hi Nick,That was part of Jesus' explanation to Nicodemus about spiritual re-birth.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed;The rebirth by the Spirit would not occur until Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus was therefore teaching John's immersion, and pledge of a clear conscious before God. A teaching that any Jewish teacher; such as Nicodemus; should know.
It is a model of the immersion in water to come which is why Paul re-immersed those disciples of John that did not know the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19
King James Version (KJV)1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.1PE 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
1PE 3:19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
1PE 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
1PE 3:21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you— not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1PE 3:22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to HimQuote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,11:44) T; What does the baptism that now saves believers now corresponding to?
KYOUR TOTAL FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER
but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
Ac 9:19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.pay attention to what it says ;is this a water or a spirit baptism
wen did Paul received the holy spirit now it says that he staid many days in Damascus and ONLY after that he start his preaching, Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,03:54) Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
Ac 9:19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.pay attention to what it says ;is this a water or a spirit baptism
wen did Paul received the holy spirit now it says that he staid many days in Damascus and ONLY after that he start his preaching,
T;Another account adds details.
Acts 22
King James Version (KJV)12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,00:45) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,11:44) T; What does the baptism that now saves believers now corresponding to?
KYOUR TOTAL FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER
but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
T;It is my comprehension that immersion corresponds to:
1PE 3:19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
1PE 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.and that it saves believers because of:
but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,16:09) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,03:54) Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
Ac 9:19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.pay attention to what it says ;is this a water or a spirit baptism
wen did Paul received the holy spirit now it says that he staid many days in Damascus and ONLY after that he start his preaching,
T;Another account adds details.
Acts 22
King James Version (KJV)12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Kyou know Baptism mean immersion right .??? yes
I use to go to french immersion class ;I believe you understand what that mean right
?WE ARE NOT SAVED BY DIP IN WATER,BUT BY DIPPING DEEP IN GODS WORDS AND RECEIVE TRUE UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE THIS IS THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN THIS IS THE WATERS THAT BRINGS LIVE, OUR SINS ARE REMOVE NOT IN AN INSTANT BUT THE GUILT IS SO THAT WE MAY LOOK FORWARD TO GOD GIVEN GRACE THROUGH CHRIST WITH CONFIDENCE.
Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,16:09) Quote (terraricca @ May 17 2012,03:54) Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
Ac 9:19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.pay attention to what it says ;is this a water or a spirit baptism
wen did Paul received the holy spirit now it says that he staid many days in Damascus and ONLY after that he start his preaching,
T;Another account adds details.
Acts 22
King James Version (KJV)12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Kyou know Baptism mean immersion right .??? yes
I use to go to french immersion class ;I believe you understand what that mean right
?WE ARE NOT SAVED BY DIP IN WATER,BUT BY DIPPING DEEP IN GODS WORDS AND RECEIVE TRUE UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE THIS IS THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN THIS IS THE WATERS THAT BRINGS LIVE, OUR SINS ARE REMOVE NOT IN AN INSTANT BUT THE GUILT IS SO THAT WE MAY LOOK FORWARD TO GOD GIVEN GRACE THROUGH CHRIST WITH CONFIDENCE.
T;I brought up that passage because it states “wash away thy sins”. It also parallels the Ethiopian Eunuch who said:
Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Ananias and the Ethiopian Eunuch were clearly speaking of the same immersion; the immersion in water for the forgiveness of sins. It it is done to cleanse the spirit by the power of God; not the skin.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,12:45) Hi Ed,
Show us then this first birth 'by water' in other verses to support your idea.
Hi Nick,Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2012,09:10) Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2012,09:03) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
“They that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:8-9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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