Is baptism needed for salvation?

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2012,15:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,14:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2012,13:04) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 17 2012,08:29) Kerwin, Do you believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are names? Marlin Marlin. IN THE NAME–OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. WHAT IS THE HOLY GHOSTS NAME? wakeup. Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13) God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”. “The Word” would be a funny name to name a child?   …would it not? “The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13). Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”), and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”), and of the HolySirit (“The Word”): (Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it? God bless Ed J EDJ. The father has many names; one of his name is JEHOVAH. The son has many names; one of his name is JESUS. The holy spirits name =  ??? THE HOLY SPIRIT. The holy spirits name is not the word: THIS IS YOUR INVENTION. Jesus is the word: in case you dont know. wakeup. Hi Wake-up,     …Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)       All these verses together CONCLUSIVELY PROVE that: “The Word” is REALLY the HolySpirit”!  (Link to thread) Zech.4:6 Zech.12:1 Matt.13:19 Mark 4:14 Mark13:11 Mark 13:19 Luke 3:2 Luke 8:11 John 12:49 John 14:24 John 17:6-8 John 17:14 Acts 4:31 Acts 10:36-38 Acts 10:44 Acts 11:15-16 Acts 13:4-5 Acts 13:47-49 Acts 17:11 Acts 20:32 Romans 9:5-6 Romans 10:17 1Cor. 12:8-9 1Cor. 14:36 2Cor. 5:19 2Cor. 6:6-7 Gal.6:6 Eph. 1:12-13 Eph. 5:26 Eph. 6:17 Phillip.2:16 1Tm.5:17-18 2Tm.2:11-15 2Tm.4:2 Hebrews 1:1-2 Hebrews 2:2-3 Hebrews 4:2-6 Hebrews 4:8-12 Hebrews 5:13-14 Hebrews 7:28 Hebrews 11:3 Hebrews 12:19 James 1:18 1Peter 1:21-23 1Peter 2:6-8 1John 2:7-10 Rev.1:2 Rev.1:9 Rev.19:11-16 Rev.20:4 God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

JOHN16:14. HE SHALL –GLORIFY ME– FOR HE SHALL RECEIVE OF –MINE, AND SHALL SHOW IT TO YOU.

THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL GLORIFY JESUS; HE WILL RECEIVE OF JESUS.

VERSE 15. —HE SHALL TAKE OF MINE– AND SHALL SHOW IT TO YOU.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi ,
Those who claim salvation by the miracles they have done should read Mt 7 21-23

[Marlin1]

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Miracles can be copied by satan; baptism in water can also be copied by satan; How? He can send someone that is not truly in God do the baptizing. Will that baptism be valid,or invalid? But baptism in the Holy spirit can never be copied.

So wakeup is it the person doing the baptism that matters or is it you being obedient to the Word of God that matters?

I would rather have someone baptize me that believed the truth and baptized correctly, but if that person wasn't available. It would not hinder my baptism, if it was done correctly, in the 'Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.'

Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is just a way for us to show that we believe God and will follow His Word.

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I PETER 3:21 † The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

One thing just to think about.
Satan is a spirit and he impersonates the Holy Spirit all the time.  That is why there are so many different doctrines.

God Bless
Marlin

[Marlin1]

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Those who claim salvation by the miracles they have done should read Mt 7 21-23

Nick, I believe that He is speaking to the religious people of all the so called churches.  He requires a personal relationship with every person, ALL, a person MUST be born again. Or He will say, I never new you, depart from me.

God Bless
Marlin

[NickHassan]

Hi Marlin,
God has shown us the way but soothsayers have said any way is OK.
Yes there is no group membership.

[Marlin1]

Thanks Nick, I agree:)

Marlin

[kerwin]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 20 2012,04:45)

Quote Those who claim salvation by the miracles they have done should read Mt 7 21-23 Nick, I believe that He is speaking to the religious people of all the so called churches.  He requires a personal relationship with every person, ALL, a person MUST be born again. Or He will say, I never new you, depart from me. God Bless Marlin

Marlin,

Do you agree that a born again person is one who walks according to the Spirit they receive when they are immersed under the authority of Jesus Anointed?

[Marlin1]

Kerwin,  I believe in a new birth.  I believe it is an actual experience.  And I believe just like our first natural birth it is messy.  I believe that it will be a personal experience and no devil will be able to take it away.

I don't believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence. Devils can speak in tongues too.
I don't believe that signing a church membership is the evidence.
I don't believe that studying or learning the scriptures is the evidence.  Even though it is good to study and learn.
I believe the evidence is weather or not we can receive the Word for the hour we live.  Just like it was in every age.

God Bless
Marlin

[Wakeup]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 20 2012,09:38)

Quote Miracles can be copied by satan; baptism in water can also be copied by satan; How? He can send someone that is not truly in God do the baptizing. Will that baptism be valid,or invalid? But baptism in the Holy spirit can never be copied. So wakeup is it the person doing the baptism that matters or is it you being obedient to the Word of God that matters? I would rather have someone baptize me that believed the truth and baptized correctly, but if that person wasn't available. It would not hinder my baptism, if it was done correctly, in the 'Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.' Baptism doesn't save anyone.  It is just a way for us to show that we believe God and will follow His Word. Quote I PETER 3:21 † The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: One thing just to think about. Satan is a spirit and he impersonates the Holy Spirit all the time.  That is why there are so many different doctrines. God Bless Marlin

Marlin.

If someone like John the batist is here today; I would love to be babtised with water,for he is true.I am sure you would too.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The Word washes too.
jn 15.3
eph 5.26

[kerwin]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 20 2012,10:01)

Kerwin,  I believe in a new birth.  I believe it is an actual experience.  And I believe just like our first natural birth it is messy.  I believe that it will be a personal experience and no devil will be able to take it away. I don't believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence. Devils can speak in tongues too. I don't believe that signing a church membership is the evidence. I don't believe that studying or learning the scriptures is the evidence.  Even though it is good to study and learn. I believe the evidence is weather or not we can receive the Word for the hour we live.  Just like it was in every age. God Bless Marlin

Marlin,

Your last sentence is cryptic.  The best interpretation I can put on it is to believe the Word of God for the hour we live.  That is true but does not aid me in understanding that Word.

I am convinced that God promised us a new self created like him in true holiness and righteousness and that we like Abraham must believe that promise is true.  I also believe we enter the contract of that and other promises when we are sealed with Jesus our King in death and resurrection.  I am certain we must continuously persevere in that belief.

[Marlin1]

Kerwin,

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Your last sentence is cryptic.  The best interpretation I can put on it is to believe the Word of God for the hour we live.  That is true but does not aid me in understanding that Word. I am convinced that God promised us a new self created like him in true holiness and righteousness and that we like Abraham must believe that promise is true.  I also believe we enter the contract of that and other promises when we are sealed with Jesus our King in death and resurrection.  I am certain we must continuously persevere in that belief.

I didn't mean for it to be cryptic.  I just mean this, in every age God had message for that age.  For example after the dark ages of the Catholic church came out some men with a word from God.  Martin Luther came with a message of Justification by faith.  Only those in that age that could receive that message were God's people in that age, the rest died right where they were.

The next major reformer was John Wesley,  God gave him a message of Sanctification by faith.  Yet most of those in the Lutheran faith had put up walls and wouldn't come with God.  Only those that could receive the Word for that hour came alone, the rest died right where they were.

In the early 1900 Pentecost was the same.  All the denominations had put up walls and wouldn't receive from God the Holy Ghost and the return of the Gifts to the Church, They died right there.

It was always God moving on.  In Joel, God said I will restore and He has been.

It has always been the same, believe God for your age and live.
Was it easy for the people to believe the truth, no it was hard, it took the spirit in them and it is the same today.

God has not worked in the dark in this last age, but it is the same again, people will stay with their teachings instead of the Word for the hour.

God Bless
Marlin

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Reformers of the whore did not offer salvation any more than she could.
God knows those who are His.

[Ed J]

Baptism, How should you be baptized?

Completely submerged.

[Marlin1]

Nick, Can the head say to the foot that it is not part of the body?

Marlin

[NickHassan]

Hi M,
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Denominations are not of the Body of Christ.
Christ is not divided

[kerwin]

Marlin,

Many who come in the name of Christ add and/or subtract from the message of salvation and so are not from above.

The truth does not evolve but is constant over time. There are different covenants. One contract God made with the Twelve Tribes. That contract did not result in the individual being renewed in the image of God's righteousness and holiness. God then contracted with the whole world and sealed the covenant with the blood of his Son. A term of this superior contact is that those who entered it in faith would receive the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God would then transform them to become the image of Christ if they persevered in that faith.

It is the new contract the gospel of Christ bears witness to. The thief on the cross and those before him only look forward to the new contract as the time had not yet come when it was put into effect.

Did Luther or those other reformers teach of the new contact between God and man or did they add or subtract from it?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The whole world never entered this contract.
To enter you must die.[Rom6]

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 21 2012,08:38)

Hi KW, The whole world never entered this contract. To enter you must die.[Rom6]

Nick,

I stated the whole world because Scripture states Jesus came to save the world.

I also stated those who chose to enter it as many choose to reject it.

I believe that addresses your concerns.

[Marlin1]

Kerwin, you are right, the truth has always been the same, but man's perception of that truth has changed greatly.  Just like the church you were raised in, some truth, some lies.  That is the tree of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.

Each age was only responsible for what God gave them.  Almost all was lost during the dark ages.  Did the Lutheran church have all the truth, No.  They had more light then the Catholic church, just what God had begin to restore. They were reformers, little steps God moved forward.

JOEL 2:25 † And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

The 1st age had the truth,  Then what happened, Paul knew what was coming.
ACTS 20:29 † For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

The Catholic church all but killed the true church.  You know that and I know that.

God had a plan and He started bringing it back.  Just like the corn stock is not the corn, it is still part of the plant.  And just like Luther didn't have all the truth, doesn't make him not part of the vine.  It was God moving on.

I know that most will not be able to receive this, it doesn't mean it is not true.  

AMOS 3:7 †     Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

MAL 4:5 5     †     Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 †     And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

God Bless
Marlin

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