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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,16:35) Hi Lup.
Have you ever considered that perhaps the Son is the eternal Spirit which had no beginning as in was not created but is a part of the one true God YHVH just as a persons spirit is a part of the totality of who they are?
Hi 2bes
(Lup?) How about LU for short, ok?
Yes I have considered that. I understand the Holy Spirit as existing eternally as 'God's' inner-person sorta like our spirit is our inner-person. God's inner-person however can extend from Him to be God in our presence while the person of God, Himself, actually is in heaven. The Spirit remains inseparable from Him while extending from Him.I understand that the Father and the Son each have their own inner-person, sort of like you and I each have our own inner-person. Their spirits unite to form one spirit that can live within believers and thus we have both the Father and the Son within us.
So, I don't understand the Holy Spirit to be the Son but instead the Holy Spirit is the inner-person of God. I consider the Son as an actual offspring who eternally was within the Father before being begotten from the Father before the ages.
I hope you understand this. If not, just ask and I can rephrase or show you scripture.
God bless!
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,04:12) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,14:26) They seemed to understand 'the word' as being God's own word as spoken through His own mouth, just as we were saying.
2beebut how can YOU WORDS WALK, and have Grace and truth (understanding) so that your mind is dead ,but only your word is walking the earth ,and can be touched ,and seen live with ,
SHOW ME THOSE THINGS ,WITHOUT INVENTING IDEAS ,THE RADIO AND TAPE RECORDER WAS NOT A PUBLIC ACCESSORY YET
T,
You asked “but how can YOU WORDS WALK, and have Grace and truth (understanding) so that your mind is dead ,but only your word is walking the earth ,and can be touched ,and seen live with”Through the spirit of God, God was in Jesus the man through his eternal spirit.
An opposite comparison, kind of, though in a bad way, is if you see a man possessed by a bad spirit. it is not the man himself but the bad spirit that is in him and working through him.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,11:04) so that your mind is dead ,but only your word is walking the earth ,and can be touched ,and seen live with ,
T, 'the word' and Jesus walked together in perfect harmony. Jesus' mind was not (in your words) dead!?Jesus was completely without sin. The only man who ever existed that was and remained without sin. The second Adam.
There has been nobody like Him in existence.
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,10:51) Yes I have considered that. I understand the Holy Spirit as existing eternally as 'God's' inner-person sorta like our spirit is our inner-person. God's inner-person however can extend from Him to be God in our presence while the person of God, Himself, actually is in heaven. The Spirit remains inseparable from Him while extending from Him. LU, with this part of your post, I agree.
Quote I understand that the Father and the Son each have their own inner-person, sort of like you and I each have our own inner-person. Their spirits unite to form one spirit that can live within believers and thus we have both the Father and the Son within us. By Father and Son if you are meaning Jesus then yes I agree with this part also – I THINK.
I will get back to this later on.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,11:19) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,10:51) Yes I have considered that. I understand the Holy Spirit as existing eternally as 'God's' inner-person sorta like our spirit is our inner-person. God's inner-person however can extend from Him to be God in our presence while the person of God, Himself, actually is in heaven. The Spirit remains inseparable from Him while extending from Him. LU, with this part of your post, I agree.
Quote I understand that the Father and the Son each have their own inner-person, sort of like you and I each have our own inner-person. Their spirits unite to form one spirit that can live within believers and thus we have both the Father and the Son within us. By Father and Son if you are meaning Jesus then yes I agree with this part also – I THINK.
I will get back to this later on.
*Edit Correction*…LU, with this part of your post, I agree:
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,10:51) Yes I have considered that. I understand the Holy Spirit as existing eternally as 'God's' inner-person sorta like our spirit is our inner-person. God's inner-person however can extend from Him to be God in our presence while the person of God, Himself, actually is in heaven. The Spirit remains inseparable from Him while extending from Him. And with the following:
Quote I understand that the Father and the Son each have their own inner-person, sort of like you and I each have our own inner-person. Their spirits unite to form one spirit that can live within believers and thus we have both the Father and the Son within us. By Father and Son if you are meaning Jesus then yes I agree with this part also – I THINK.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,04:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,04:12) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,14:26) They seemed to understand 'the word' as being God's own word as spoken through His own mouth, just as we were saying.
2beebut how can YOU WORDS WALK, and have Grace and truth (understanding) so that your mind is dead ,but only your word is walking the earth ,and can be touched ,and seen live with ,
SHOW ME THOSE THINGS ,WITHOUT INVENTING IDEAS ,THE RADIO AND TAPE RECORDER WAS NOT A PUBLIC ACCESSORY YET
T,
You asked “but how can YOU WORDS WALK, and have Grace and truth (understanding) so that your mind is dead ,but only your word is walking the earth ,and can be touched ,and seen live with”Through the spirit of God, God was in Jesus the man through his eternal spirit.
An opposite comparison, kind of, though in a bad way, is if you see a man possessed by a bad spirit. it is not the man himself but the bad spirit that is in him and working through him.
2beeare you trying to confuse me
do you see the trouble you have to explain why in your head Christ his not the WORD of God ,
if I do not speak then I have no words ,and be like next telephone pole on the street, it does not mater what I think ,
and if I talk ,my words are only valid to the power i have to accomplish them ,right like if I tell someone to do something he would first look at me my outside if it does not pleases him he would not listen ,and so my words are useless to him ,but say now; that God send ,I be no different than i was before ,but I would now have the power behind me to prove of what I say is true even though that the words would be Gods words ,but my miracle works would prove that I am who I tell that I am ,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
Christ could have been send in full power by his father ,but this his not the way when Christ came not everyone believe in him even with the miracles ,his physical appearance was very common nothing to look at it, and to wanted to be like him , so even the words he spoke would to most not mean anything ,”wisdom as his own children ,
so Christ was and his the only begotten son of God ,the first of all creation,through whom all things were created and he was the first creation of it all ,Colo;1 ;15-21 and so his the WORD of GOD spoken from John 1;1-17…………….
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,10:51) Yes I have considered that. I understand the Holy Spirit as existing eternally as 'God's' inner-person sorta like our spirit is our inner-person. God's inner-person however can extend from Him to be God in our presence while the person of God, Himself, actually is in heaven. The Spirit remains inseparable from Him while extending from Him. Quote I understand that the Father and the Son each have their own inner-person, sort of like you and I each have our own inner-person. Their spirits unite to form one spirit that can live within believers and thus we have both the Father and the Son within us. LU,
Now put the two parts of your post together that I quoted as above (reread them) and then look at these verses:
1Cor 2:
[10] God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
[11] For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.Matt 11:
[27] No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,11:32) Hi T, back to you soon 
I am stuck in front of my computer waiting for you ,Hi T, I am sorry to keep you waiting!!
Okay, I will post a video, and when you watch it, bear in mind that I do not believe exactly as this man does, but there are some key points that I want you to notice, them being that Jesus said that He was “Going to the Father”, and we know that He went to Heaven, right. So then Jesus said that He would ask the Father and that the Father would then send the “Comforter” (The Holy Spirit) to be with them forever, and then He said that He would come to them and that He would not leave them, and that the Father would also come and make His abode with them.
Remember that i do not believe everything exactly as this man does but i want you to look for some key points in it regarding Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
(I think that this is the right one I have an Internet issue at the moment so I cannot check it).
Hi 2besee,
I looked all of that you asked me to. What specifically is your point?The Spirit knows the thoughts of God…this would agree with the Spirit being God's 'inner person.' Right?
The Son knows the Father…this would agree with the Son being an offspring within the Father until He was begotten and with Him in the beginning. The Son was the Father's best witness to give testimony of the Father as the Son is the only begotten God who has always been with the Father.One of the differences between the Son and the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit knows the thoughts of the Father because He searches the mind of the Father. The Son knows the thoughts of the Father because the Father reveals them to Him. One is an offspring of the Father and one is the inner person of the Father, from what I understand.
In the earthly realm, my inner person (spirit) searches my thoughts, so to speak, and my son knows my thoughts after I reveal them to him. My inner person (spirit) knows me because it is a part of me that can know me. My son knows me because of all the time we have spent together and by my revealing my thoughts to him. Do you see the difference between an offspring and an inner person (spirit)?
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,23:04) Hi 2besee,
I looked all of that you asked me to. What specifically is your point?The Spirit knows the thoughts of God…this would agree with the Spirit being God's 'inner person.' Right?
The Son knows the Father…this would agree with the Son being an offspring within the Father until He was begotten and with Him in the beginning. The Son was the Father's best witness to give testimony of the Father as the Son is the only begotten God who has always been with the Father.One of the differences between the Son and the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit knows the thoughts of the Father because He searches the mind of the Father. The Son knows the thoughts of the Father because the Father reveals them to Him. One is an offspring of the Father and one is the inner person of the Father, from what I understand.
In the earthly realm, my inner person (spirit) searches my thoughts, so to speak, and my son knows my thoughts after I reveal them to him. My inner person (spirit) knows me because it is a part of me that can know me. My son knows me because of all the time we have spent together and by my revealing my thoughts to him. Do you see the difference between an offspring and an inner person (spirit)?
Quote The Son knows the Father…this would agree with the Son being an offspring within the Father until He was begotten and with Him in the beginning. The Son was the Father's best witness to give testimony of the Father as the Son is the only begotten God who has always been with the Father. And how exactly was the Son an “offspring” within the Father as an “only begotten God” when scriptures make it Chrystal clear that there is only one God, and that no other God was formed before that 'one God' nor shall there be another God formed after that 'one God'.
Isaiah 43:10
[10] “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am He.
Before me no god was formed,
nor shall there be any after me.And then read the entire chapter of Isaiah chapter 44.
I believe the scriptures, not the inventions of man!
Hi LU.
So then I guess that you are with Mike, and T, etc, that “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a god” when in fact it says that “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God — and this fits in perfectly with all of the other scriptures.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,20:43) Hi T, I am sorry to keep you waiting!! Okay, I will post a video, and when you watch it, bear in mind that I do not believe exactly as this man does, but there are some key points that I want you to notice, them being that Jesus said that He was “Going to the Father”, and we know that He went to Heaven, right. So then Jesus said that He would ask the Father and that the Father would then send the “Comforter” (The Holy Spirit) to be with them forever, and then He said that He would come to them and that He would not leave them, and that the Father would also come and make His abode with them.
Remember that i do not believe everything exactly as this man does but i want you to look for some key points in it regarding Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
(I think that this is the right one I have an Internet issue at the moment so I cannot check it).
2Besee.Jesus is the Holy spirit? No,Not so.
1.He will send the comforter,how can he send himself?
He was with the apostles for 3/half years.2. When he was babtised; he RECEIVED the Holy spirit.
So how does that fit in?3.He is the word and the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is in the word.
The spirit in mans word is not always the truth, because we lie sometimes,for some most of the times.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
I do not believe that Jesus is the Holy Spirit as such, I believe that the Holy Spirit was speaking through Jesus, which is why I said that i do not agree with everything that the man in the video does, but, there are key points that I was speaking of of which are in the video, to do with scripture.
Hope it clears that up Wakeup.
So Wakeup… When Jesus said to them “I will come to you” who was speaking? WHO came to them? The Holy Spirit did!
Hi 2besee,
No, I do not agree with Mike and T that the Son was a god. I believe that God is a Father with an offspring and that offspring existed eternally, first within the Father and then was begotten from the Father before creation. The offspring is the only begotten God. Though it seems like two Gods, they are one God in the similar sense that there can be 'one voice', or 'one mind' yet multiple persons. Or you can consider the offspring as a part of the Father, yet the offspring is just like the Father with the same attributes and character. Like Father like Son…Like begets like. Very God from very God, Light from Light…begotten not made, both eternally existent.Please allow scriptures direct you…and let the only begotten God reveal truth.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Have a great day!
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