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Nick continually refuses to accept Jesus as God because he cannot see how Jesus can be the SAME God he's a Son to.
In other words, how can God The Father also be God The Son manifested as flesh.
Nick, you keep throwing it in my face that Jesus was ANNOINTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
THEREFORE CANNOT BE GOD.
Well God asks you this.
How can Jesus receive THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT WHO FATHERED HIM.
Let me reword it, in case you didn't catch this cunundrum.
HOW CAN JESUS RECEIVE THE SAME SPIRIT HE WAS BORN OF.
Scripture shows us, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. In which he impregnated Mary.
Yet he received that same spirit.
If you can believe that to be possible…then why can't you believe Jesus is the same God he is a son to.
ITS THE SAME THING!
Let he that has ears hear, and he that has eyes see!
7 views and i'm sure one of them is Nick…
Did this one stump all the anti-trinnies that deny Jesus as God?
Or is it too early and people need to pull out their bibles?
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Lets get some thoughts on this, I would love to discuss this.
My greatest compelling arguement that Jesus is God is yet to come.
I since haven't been refutted on my previous 3 threads that show Jesus is God, and the 4th one will be even greater evidence.
So you anti-trinitarians who continually deny Jesus' Godship, get ready to come into full understanding of who you worship.
Hi RM,
God creates through his Spirit[Ps 104]
So why do you thing Jesus was some sort of a superman?
God filled His son with his Spirit at the Jordan and you can follow in his steps.That Spirit of Christ fills the body of Christ on earth and you need to partake in the promise of Acts 2.39
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 19 2010,17:44) Nick continually refuses to accept Jesus as God because he cannot see how Jesus can be the SAME God he's a Son to. In other words, how can God The Father also be God The Son manifested as flesh.
HI RokkaMan,Is 'your father' you?
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 19 2010,17:44) HOW CAN JESUS RECEIVE THE SAME SPIRIT HE WAS BORN OF.
Hi RokkaMan,At what age were you obedient to 'your father'?
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 19 2010,17:44)
Scripture shows us, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. In which he impregnated Mary.
Hi RokkaMan,Therefore “HolySpirit” was Jesus' Father! (click Here) (Luke 1:35)
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(“IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,08:17) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 19 2010,17:44)
Scripture shows us, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. In which he impregnated Mary.
Hi RokkaMan,Therefore “HolySpirit” was Jesus' Father! (click Here) (Luke 1:35)
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(“IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ok so if The Holy Spirit is Jesus' literal father, does that make Jesus Christ an ordinary man and a man alone?My Father is not me, but i came from him.
I have always stated Jesus is not YHVH.But if I am a human being, and I have offspring…that offspring is also a human.
Therefore if YHVH has offspring that offspring so too is God.
That is my point.
Hi RM,
Logic does not cut it.
When you speak of JESUS CHRIST you speak of the man and the Spirit of Christ in him.That causes some to get confused.
Rm………Nick is right on this , when you say Jesus Christ, you are saying Jesus the Christos, or Jesus the anointed one. GOD was (IN) Jesus by the anointing of HOLY SPIRIT , He recieved at the JORDAN and there He Became a true Son of GOD, and after that GOD sent Him into the WORLD to Preach the Gospel. Jesus (BECAME) a SON of GOD Just as we do when we recieve the FATHER SEED (HOLY Spirit) into us, we are then a brother of Jesus and heirs and Joint heirs with Him of all things and eternal life awaits us to. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2010,01:27) Rm………Nick is right on this , when you say Jesus Christ, you are saying Jesus the Christos, or Jesus the anointed one. GOD was (IN) Jesus by the anointing of HOLY SPIRIT , He recieved at the JORDAN and there He Became a true Son of GOD, and after that GOD sent Him into the WORLD to Preach the Gospel. Jesus (BECAME) a SON of GOD Just as we do when we recieve the FATHER SEED (HOLY Spirit) into us, we are then a brother of Jesus and heirs and Joint heirs with Him of all things and eternal life awaits us to. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
We're not saying anything different.Jesus was fully man, and fully God.
Man in flesh, God in spirit.
The spirit that dwelled within him was God.The difference between he and the prophets is that The spirit always dwelled within him.
In fact he was born of that same spirit, in which no other man to walk this earth was.
———–The problem you guys fail to realize is that That spirit is a part of the person we call Jesus.
In the same light I am my soul.
We receive that spirit, and can lose that spirit if we fall back into world.
The prophets of old gained access to the spirit whenever God chose to annoint them with it (temporarily).
Jesus however, always had the spirit before and since his incarnation.
He was annointed with it, to mark and begin his ministries.
We are not saying anything different…I just believe that spirit is a part of him.
You guys make it out, as if it wasn't and he was fully, merely, and only a man…when the bible says he wasn't just only a man.
RM,
I think it you that is making out that “We” are saying those things.
Nearly EVERYONE except Gene believes that Jesus was preExistent in Spirit and then became Man born of the Holy Spirt.
Born of the Holy Spirit means that God put a Blessed and Pure Spirit into him – [not the spirit of Adam passed from one Parent to a child] so Jesus was born sinless.
This meant that he HAD the Holy Spirit on Him while he grew from a child and in that Pure Spirit he was held to truth in the Father, his Heavenly father, just as Adam should have done.
Once he grew up satisfactorily he was anointed with the Holy Spirit “Visible and Public” sign of his future kingship just like David was anointed long before he became king.You make out that the Holy Spirit is some kind of ONE OFF thing that could only be “ON or In” Jesus Once… It wasn't ON HIM – it was IN HIM – and further it is not limited.
Jesus having the Holy Spirit does not mean that others too could not Have the Holy Spirit also.
Can anyone think in MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS above 4 Dimensions? How about 5 dimensions?
4 Dimensions: Length, Breadth and Depth… A Cube, a spot, an object at a single position at a single moment in time.
Alter Time and it is possible to have that object at a different position – but only linearly – One time – one new position
(This is the Dimension that Man is restricted to)5 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at a different position at the SAME point in time OR the SAME position at A different point in time.
(Jesus 'Appeared' Inside the room where the disciples were)6 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at MULTIPLE positions at the Same point in time OR the SAME position at MANY points in time.
(He was seen in many places at the same time)7 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at EVERY position at EVERY point in time (Therefore: “Time” is meaningless – remind you of anyone?)
Quote (JustAskin @ June 21 2010,03:54) RM, I think it you that is making out that “We” are saying those things.
Nearly EVERYONE except Gene believes that Jesus was preExistent in Spirit and then became Man born of the Holy Spirt.
Born of the Holy Spirit means that God put a Blessed and Pure Spirit into him – [not the spirit of Adam passed from one Parent to a child] so Jesus was born sinless.
This meant that he HAD the Holy Spirit on Him while he grew from a child and in that Pure Spirit he was held to truth in the Father, his Heavenly father, just as Adam should have done.
Once he grew up satisfactorily he was anointed with the Holy Spirit “Visible and Public” sign of his future kingship just like David was anointed long before he became king.You make out that the Holy Spirit is some kind of ONE OFF thing that could only be “ON or In” Jesus Once… It wasn't ON HIM – it was IN HIM – and further it is not limited.
Jesus having the Holy Spirit does not mean that others too could not Have the Holy Spirit also.
Can anyone think in MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS above 4 Dimensions? How about 5 dimensions?
4 Dimensions: Length, Breadth and Depth… A Cube, a spot, an object at a single position at a single moment in time.
Alter Time and it is possible to have that object at a different position – but only linearly – One time – one new position5 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at more than one position at the SAME point in time
6 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at more than one position at MULTIPLE points in time
7 Dimensions: Same object but now that object can be at EVERY position at EVERY point in time (Therefore: “Time” is meaningless – remind you of anyone?)
First off your putting words in my mouth.Never even touched the subject of Jesus' pre-existence, I only argued he was God.
Second off I never said the Holy Spirit was ON HIM.
I've always said that the Holy Spirit is in him, in the sense that it is and always been part of his make up.
I made it clear that the prophets of old had ACCESS to the holy spirit at given times when God ordained.
But Jesus was different in that, he was BORN of that spirit and always had it permenantly.
Thirdly, this dimension crap you talk of means absolutely nothing in comparison to God and scripture.
It's man that created these laws, it's man that defines and establishes them.
Man defines the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension be even those definitions are THEORIES.
It hasn't been proven and most likely will never be proven…so why introduce these things into a debate about Jesus' deity?
Only thing you should be presenting as evidence is scripture.
There are plenty of scientist that will disagree with you on the nature of those dimensions and what goes on, in them
For example…in our dimension we have phenomenons like fire.
Fire happens but we don't know why it happens, therefore it's a phenonmenon.
Who's to say that other phenonmenons existing in the 7th dimension are completely unrelated to your theoretical analysis of that dimension?
My point is that your post was pointless yet again, and doesn't address the subject.
But here I'll address it one more time.
Jesus is God in Flesh
Where's the proof?
In Scripture
You used 1 timothy 2 to prove Jesus was ONLY a mediator..and I proved to you that, you couldn't do that because it only applied to who he was as man.
Well let me now show you in THE SAME BOOK OF TIMOTHY that Jesus is God in Flesh…which applies to both his physical and spiritual nature.
1 timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Amen.
RM,
YOu make me laugh like WJ and KJ… I almost forgot you are like them – Not the trinity thing but the really odd way you think.
“Fire” – Are you saying we don't understand what or how fire ….! My Cousin is a Foreman – I think he understands…
Ha ha – What a laugh… Fire is “Untethered Energy” – an outburst – Untethered but yet can be controlled none the less.
The Ancient cave man used to run from it – now we FACE it and Control it…
“Didn't Prometheus steal it from the Gods…!”
You are a right hoot — Didn't I say this to you last time…
“Great is the Mystery of Godliness” – Where is the Mystery? Oh, yeah, if you don't have the Holy Spirit then it is a mystery – yeah, ok, To You, yeah!ok. I gotta go – but I will be back.
Have a pleasant day.:D
Hi RM,
God WAS indeed in the flesh of Jesus.Now the Lord is the Spirit.[2cor3]
Jesus is not spoken of according to flesh[2cor5]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2010,05:53) Hi RM,
God WAS indeed in the flesh of Jesus.Now the Lord is the Spirit.[2cor3]
Jesus is not spoken of according to flesh[2cor5]
So what you just said is what scripture says.God manifest as flesh and dwelt among us as Jesus Christ.
Hi RM,
But the human vessel was not the Spirit treasure within him.
Indeed God visited his people …thanks to the submission of His sonQuote (JustAskin @ June 21 2010,05:02) RM, YOu make me laugh like WJ and KJ… I almost forgot you are like them – Not the trinity thing but the really odd way you think.
“Fire” – Are you saying we don't understand what or how fire ….! My Cousin is a Foreman – I think he understands…
Ha ha – What a laugh… Fire is “Untethered Energy” – an outburst – Untethered but yet can be controlled none the less.
The Ancient cave man used to run from it – now we FACE it and Control it…
“Didn't Prometheus steal it from the Gods…!”
You are a right hoot — Didn't I say this to you last time…
“Great is the Mystery of Godliness” – Where is the Mystery? Oh, yeah, if you don't have the Holy Spirit then it is a mystery – yeah, ok, To You, yeah!ok. I gotta go – but I will be back.
Have a pleasant day.:D
I never said we don't know what fire is or how it works.I said we don't know WHY it works.
———-When fire combusts, why was it fire, why wouldn't it of been green light that had no temperature? Why couldn't something else of happened in it's place…WHY did it have to be fire.
No man can answer that, therefore it's a phenonmenon.
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That was the reference I was making.
We can explain how, but we can't ever explain WHY.
Kind of like the 7 colors that make up the color spectrum.
Why couldn't there of been 8 colors?
I mean there could have been, but there's not…
Science explains how, but mankind can never explain why.
Only the one who made it so can explain that.He could of put us in a world where fire didn't exist at all.
————That's the point I was trying to make, but judging by your response, you've successfully proven your ignorance on the subject.
Sorry JA, never got a response.
——–What other man was attributed in the bible, OT or NT to never sin, and literally have God dwelling in him?
With the power to forgive sins, fullness of God dwelling in him, to be the express image (not made in the image but actually BE THE IMAGE) Called Immanuel (God with us) called King of kings, Lord of Lords
Permitted that every knee should bow and worship to, created the universe and all of creation?
And also have a virgin birth.
———–If Jesus wasn't special, is it fair to say he was a mere man?
And if he wasn't a mere man, since birth, what is he?A God? A Deity?
Please answer me this.
What man has ever even been attributed anything close to any of these claims?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,09:54) Hi RM,
Are you speaking of Jesus still according to the flesh?[2Cor5]
No, but you are.I speak of Jesus Christ as a Human Being composed of Soul, Spirit and Flesh.
You, however, in every single post…refer to him as physical body/flesh….
As a matter o fact, you ONLY VEIW him as flesh.
You never refer to him as a complete being.
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