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Quote GM You have 2 natures is correct, so which one do you choose to follow?
It is your choice. God wll not make that choice for you.
When you sin, who did it, do you just blame it on your old nature? If you can not help it when you sin then how can it be sin? If God is in you then why do you sin? Isnt his Spirit greater than your carnal fleshly nature?
Hello!
Say hello to Paul.Romans 7:20
Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.Just because you sin, does not mean its the End of the World.
There are things that I've been fighting with for a while now.
Mainly, my attitude…I can get so upset over the littlest things so quickly. I've found the best way for me to deal with this is to just do the best I can to keep my mouth shut. Cause if I open it…I'll let stuff fly out that should not. Which even that is hard sometimes…something as simple as just keeping my mouth shut…you'd think it should not be that hard…but it seems to be.
Now…that don't mean just go out and do what ever you want and then think its going to be ok…It means if you mess up. You know that you have to repent again. And, ask forgiveness.
I've heard so many different theories about who GOD and Jesus is that I'm pretty much done with the trying to figure them out.
I believe in GOD and Jesus Christ he Son…that the way the Bible tells it…that the way I'm gonna believe it. If there is any other way …I'm 100% confident that GOD will let me know.
One GOD(The Father), One Lord(The Son), One faith(In the Lord Jesus Christ), One Baptism(In the Holy Ghost and with Fire!, in Jesus' Name).
That is the way of it. And GODS word don't change.
If you ain't got Jesus …you ain't got nothing.
Maybe Jesus is GOD.
Maybe hes not…
But if hes not…then it really don't matter…because even if hes not he still has all the power in heaven and earth.So…Jesus is the go to for your salvation! Rather he is GOD or not…you can't get to GOD without him, and you can't be saved without believing in him…so whats all the fuss about. Its real simple.
One way to get to heaven and that is it.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 19 2008,22:47) To WJ. Quote GM You have 2 natures is correct, so which one do you choose to follow?
It is your choice. God wll not make that choice for you.
When you sin, who did it, do you just blame it on your old nature? If you can not help it when you sin then how can it be sin? If God is in you then why do you sin? Isnt his Spirit greater than your carnal fleshly nature?
Hello!
Say hello to Paul.Romans 7:20
Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
t8Yes but notice Paul says “Now if I do what I do not want to do…”
So regardless if the sin in him makes him do it, it is still him that does it.
So a man can freely choose to not obey his old nature and follow after the spirit therfore mortifying the deeds of the flesh.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:12-14
Yes by all means say hello to Paul.
WJ
WJ….You are obviously missing the part where Paul said the good that he would do he did not do but the evil he would not do that he did do, and called himself a wretched Man, whats your commit on that , And also John said if we say we have no sin we are liars and the truth is not in us.
Quote (Sultan @ July 04 2008,03:58) Quote (theodorej @ July 03 2008,19:04) Greetings Sultan……God is timeless,limitless and most of all PERFECT in every way…..Every one of the frailties you cited to prove God is limited only support the fact that we are limited…They are all human weaknesses and God is not human….GOD IS SPIRIT
All that I listed are not just human frailties. Satan is the father of lies and he is not human.God is limited by His own Holiness. If we are Holy there are limits. God cannot sin. That is a limit. I am not going beyond the scriptures in what I am saying. I am simply saying what the Bible says. I am in no way contradicting other parts of the Bible to make my point. I am simply saying what I am saying. If God can lie or sin then please correct me. If he cannot is it a limit or not? If it is not I am open to be corrected.
Hi Sultan,Welcome back to h-net!
We can be self restricting also as God is…
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable(unchangeable) things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,
we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not(lacking faith), yet heabideth faithful: he(God) cannot deny himself.
God bless
Ed JHi all,
It is surprising that for the past two years no one has contributed to this thread. What is the reason?Quote (gsilva72 @ May 07 2008,10:45) How is Jesus not God? Jesus is not a demi god, but he is God. Hebrews 1:8, Matthew 1:23, John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16 all declare that Jesus is God. Also notice that the G in God with these scriptures is not a little g. 
None of those verses declare that he is God. At least not “the God”.barley
Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 11 2010,23:43) Hi all,
It is surprising that for the past two years no one has contributed to this thread. What is the reason?
Hello GM,Are you kidding? lol
There are hundreds to thousands of times where the Bible shows that Jesus is NOT God (and is a separate person from God) and you want to take a few that could be miscontrued and misinterpreted to make Jesus a “false god”? Why???
Gal 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,(20)idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, “DISPUTES, DISSENSIONS, FACTIONS”, (21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who PRACTICE such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
We should be trying to promote unity of the Spirit not dissension or factions, yes?
Mt 1:23 says that the “PEOPLE” will call him, “God with us.”
This is WHY: Jesus explained a complete chapter in John and other places how he was doing God's work and if the people wanted to see God, just look at his works and listen to his words because they are from God….and not his. He never said that he was God; only the son that came from God and he was explaining God, his Father to us.Mt 1:25 and they called him Yahshua: Salvation FROM God
John 1:1 the way you'd like to TRY to interpret is that SON = FATHER. In what universe can a son be his father? Before the last word “God” they didn't put “of” which would make sense in our language but doesn't exist in Greek.
Heb 1:8 Theos =
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a) God's representative or viceregent
1) of magistrates and judges
They chose to put the word “God” there. IF you read verses 5-7 it talks about a SON, and if you read the Bible you will see that Jesus claims to be a son and God's representative, no? Where do you read that Jesus claimed to be “GOD”? A “son” comes into EXISTENCE in time after a parent and cannot exist at the same time. The son has a beginning point. God does not.
If you haven't read the Bible, that's okay read the next verse:
Hbr 1:9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”
So Jesus is God and we are his companions?
I thought God anointed him??? How can he be anointed by God and BE God? And then have us as his playmates?If there is only ONE GOD and Jesus has Him for his God, Jesus cannot be that God. Or do you have two Gods?
Therefore it is obvious that the word Theos was translated incorrectly according to the rest of the paragraph AND the rest of the Bible. Any other time that the translators put the word “God” (once or twice) for Jesus you have to use your common sense and think if they were mistranslating as in the above verse.
Think about it: 1,000s of times Jesus is shown NOT to be God ,,,, a handful where he is shown to MAYBE be God.
Preponderance of direct evidence AGAINST Jesus being God…FACT!
Jesus being God…FICTION! (At best–circumstantial evidence)Choose what you want to believe. I'll take the preponderance of evidence.
The Professor
Samuel,
That was a couple of good points about Jesus being sent and about him and God being two separate witnesses.
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 13 2010,11:21) Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 11 2010,23:43) Hi all,
It is surprising that for the past two years no one has contributed to this thread. What is the reason?
Hello GM,Are you kidding? lol
There are hundreds to thousands of times where the Bible shows that Jesus is NOT God (and is a separate person from God) and you want to take a few that could be miscontrued and misinterpreted to make Jesus a “false god”? Why???
Gal 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,(20)idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, “DISPUTES, DISSENSIONS, FACTIONS”, (21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who PRACTICE such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
We should be trying to promote unity of the Spirit not dissension or factions, yes?
Mt 1:23 says that the “PEOPLE” will call him, “God with us.”
This is WHY: Jesus explained a complete chapter in John and other places how he was doing God's work and if the people wanted to see God, just look at his works and listen to his words because they are from God….and not his. He never said that he was God; only the son that came from God and he was explaining God, his Father to us.Mt 1:25 and they called him Yahshua: Salvation FROM God
John 1:1 the way you'd like to TRY to interpret is that SON = FATHER. In what universe can a son be his father? Before the last word “God” they didn't put “of” which would make sense in our language but doesn't exist in Greek.
Heb 1:8 Theos =
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a) God's representative or viceregent
1) of magistrates and judges
They chose to put the word “God” there. IF you read verses 5-7 it talks about a SON, and if you read the Bible you will see that Jesus claims to be a son and God's representative, no? Where do you read that Jesus claimed to be “GOD”? A “son” comes into EXISTENCE in time after a parent and cannot exist at the same time. The son has a beginning point. God does not.
If you haven't read the Bible, that's okay read the next verse:
Hbr 1:9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”
So Jesus is God and we are his companions?
I thought God anointed him??? How can he be anointed by God and BE God? And then have us as his playmates?If there is only ONE GOD and Jesus has Him for his God, Jesus cannot be that God. Or do you have two Gods?
Therefore it is obvious that the word Theos was translated incorrectly according to the rest of the paragraph AND the rest of the Bible. Any other time that the translators put the word “God” (once or twice) for Jesus you have to use your common sense and think if they were mistranslating as in the above verse.
Think about it: 1,000s of times Jesus is shown NOT to be God ,,,, a handful where he is shown to MAYBE be God.
Preponderance of direct evidence AGAINST Jesus being God…FACT!
Jesus being God…FICTION! (At best–circumstantial evidence)Choose what you want to believe. I'll take the preponderance of evidence.
The Professor
Hi Professor of theology,
Thanks for your post on this thread. Infact I also don't believe Jesus as God. I think you have misunderstood me. If you want you can go back and see my posts of the year 2008. I even can't agree with the logic of Salvation only through Jesus christ which was not available in Jewish scriptures.
Thanks and peace to you
AdamProfessor………..I think you misunderstood Adam , He definitely does not believe Jesus is a GOD. Nor that he preexisted as a being before his berth on earth either.
peace and love……………………..gene
Quote (gsilva72 @ May 07 2008,10:45) How is Jesus not God? Jesus is not a demi god, but he is God. Hebrews 1:8, Matthew 1:23, John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16 all declare that Jesus is God. Also notice that the G in God with these scriptures is not a little g.
For us, there is one God the Father.
He is the only true God and he sent his son.So Jesus is not the one God and he is not the true God that sent his son. If he was, then Jesus would have a son.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,00:40) Professor………..I think you misunderstood Adam , He definitely does not believe Jesus is a GOD. Nor that he preexisted as a being before his berth on earth either. peace and love……………………..gene
Hi brother Gene,
Thanks for such supporting response on behalf of me. I hope things are well on your side.
Peace and love to you
Adam
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