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- May 30, 2021 at 7:35 am#871042
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Participant@Proclaimer and all,
If YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is one God and one Lord and they happen to be two persons, then the YHVH who is God, is one person WITH the YHVH who is Lord, another person. And then, if one of those two persons happens to be the Father of the other person, there would be a distinction in authority within this one YHVH relationship between this one God and this one Lord. This is not hard. Since both are YHVH, then both are God yet one is under the authority of the other. Hebrews 1:9 says O God, thy God… for instance. Would that mean that there are two distinct YHVH’s? No, not if YHVH is God of gods AND Lord of lords together, not separately. For instance, YHVH is not just God of gods. YHVH is God of gods AND Lord of lords…one YHVH God in the fullest sense, two persons.
What about the Spirit, is the Spirit another person? Well, if the Spirit is another person, I would love to understand the Spirit that way. As of now, I don’t. I understand the Spirit as the potential omnipresence of the Father and the Son that dwells in believers of Jesus and unites the believers with the Father and the Son so that we may be one in Spirit with them.
So, with this understanding, Hebrews 1 seems to agree. Hebrews 1 shows the Father identifying the Son as God whom He is the God of. Hebrews 1 also shows the Father identifying the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the work of the Son’s hands.
I hope this helps someone, LU
May 30, 2021 at 7:18 pm#871052Berean
ParticipantHi To all
In the highest sense of the word, the word god is attributed to the Father, who is in fact the only TRUE GOD (do we understand each other?)
But this word is also attributed to other beings (1 Cor. 8: 5) of Moses for example …. why not to the Son of God …?
Now we know that God the Father created all things BY his Son (Heb.1 2)
So since the Son is the creative agent of the Father, it is because he possesses omnipotence, and therefore that God calls him “God” in Hebrews 1: 8 is not exaggerated, but rather RIGHT.
THE SON IS GOD IN NATURE, ESSENCE BY HERITAGE FROM GOD THE FATHER (Hebrews 1: 5)God bless
June 5, 2021 at 3:14 pm#871270Proclaimer
ParticipantLU. God made Jesus both lord and Christ.
Nobody made God as God.
Being made lord is not to disimilar to the pharoah who made Joseph as lord over Egypt. While he was given the highest authority, it did not include authority over the pharoah himself.
Likewise, Jesus as Lord means he reigns over all, except for God.
And because both Jesus and Joseph were made Lord over their juristictions, that doesn’t rule out that the pharoah was not Lord or for that matter, God as Lord.
It is obvious that God is higher than Lord because he can designate others as Lord or lords.
September 29, 2021 at 9:08 pm#890854Proclaimer
ParticipantMarch 9, 2023 at 12:29 pm#942747Proclaimer
ParticipantIf YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is one God and one Lord and they happen to be two persons, then the YHVH who is God, is one person WITH the YHVH who is Lord, another person.
Your trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist in scripture. Therefore, your theory is just as wrong because it proposes to be the fix.
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