Gross errors abound

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,07:28)

hi BD, Men bow down all over the world in the hope that ignoring the message of God will not be held against them.

That is just plain ignorant. You don't even bow down to God yourself.

Do you bow?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You are right in that we do not bow to your god.
Our God is our Father.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,11:02)

Hi BD, You are right in that we do not bow to your god. Our God is our Father.

Do you Bow to God the Father or are you too arrogant to Bow yet you say that everyone should bow to Jesus. You hypocrite first Bow to God Almighty then talk about bowing to a man. You don't do the first but ask others to do the lessor over the greater, what an evil path.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
We know the way in Jesus.
You too will bow to the appointed Lord and King.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,08:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,07:58) Hi BD, So everyman can make his own way? he can come to God still stinking from His pigsty and not receive the best robe of His son? God can make anyone his son, He can simply say “today I have begotten thee” Only the Father knows who the Son is and only the son knows who the Father is Why does the scripture say only the Father knows who the son is? Luke 10 21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” Notice how Jesus agree with me and calls his Father “Lord of heaven and earth” Also to TT notice how Jesus is saying that All things have been given to him by his Father and yet he is still calling the Father “Lord”

DB………..you may be more right then you know, even preexistences are idolaters They are nothing more then Mini Trinitarians.They believe Jesus Preexisted as some kind of Demi-god or super being of some kind. Very much like the PROTESTANTS they rejected Catholics but keep much of there practices. Even the Catholic Church calls them there Daughters. But DB, to reject the authority if Jesus over Mohammad is not right either. IMO

peace and love…………………gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,15:00)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,06:46) Hi BD, If you do not accept the Lordship of Jesus you would say that. But for us… there is one lord Jesus Christ.[1cor8] Who do you pray to? In what way is Jesus your lord today? If you pray to God and ask God for strength, knowledge,… Who is the one that answers that prayer? I pray to the ONLY TRUE GOD and He answers my prayers, I bow down to Him in Submission, He gives me comfort, strength, healing…. In what way is Jesus your Lord Today?

HI BD

I have to confess that those are some very good questions for the Henotheist, Arians and Unitarians!

WJ

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2009,17:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,15:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,06:46) Hi BD, If you do not accept the Lordship of Jesus you would say that. But for us… there is one lord Jesus Christ.[1cor8] Who do you pray to? In what way is Jesus your lord today? If you pray to God and ask God for strength, knowledge,… Who is the one that answers that prayer? I pray to the ONLY TRUE GOD and He answers my prayers, I bow down to Him in Submission, He gives me comfort, strength, healing…. In what way is Jesus your Lord Today? HI BD I have to confess that those are some very good questions for the Henotheist, Arians and Unitarians! WJ

Don't forget the LIBRARIANS!

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2009,17:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,15:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,06:46) Hi BD, If you do not accept the Lordship of Jesus you would say that. But for us… there is one lord Jesus Christ.[1cor8] Who do you pray to? In what way is Jesus your lord today? If you pray to God and ask God for strength, knowledge,… Who is the one that answers that prayer? I pray to the ONLY TRUE GOD and He answers my prayers, I bow down to Him in Submission, He gives me comfort, strength, healing…. In what way is Jesus your Lord Today? HI BD I have to confess that those are some very good questions for the Henotheist, Arians and Unitarians! WJ

Hi WJ,
So what is your answer?
Which of your gods do you pray to and why?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ July 13 2009,14:50)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,08:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,07:58) Hi BD, So everyman can make his own way? he can come to God still stinking from His pigsty and not receive the best robe of His son? God can make anyone his son, He can simply say “today I have begotten thee” Only the Father knows who the Son is and only the son knows who the Father is Why does the scripture say only the Father knows who the son is? Luke 10 21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” Notice how Jesus agree with me and calls his Father “Lord of heaven and earth” Also to TT notice how Jesus is saying that All things have been given to him by his Father and yet he is still calling the Father “Lord” DB………..you may be more right then you know, even preexistences are idolaters They are nothing more then Mini Trinitarians.They believe Jesus Preexisted as some kind of Demi-god or super being of some kind. Very much like the PROTESTANTS they rejected Catholics but keep much of there practices. Even the Catholic Church calls them there Daughters. But DB, to reject the authority if Jesus over Mohammad is not right either. IMO peace and love…………………gene

Gene,
You betray yourself. Bd says that the Scriptures are corrupt and that Paul was a liar. He says that Jesus did not actually die and that He was a false prophet. He worships his false god he calls allah. Yet the only people you ever condemn here are trinitarians. By this you show that you are not pro-truth but anti-trinitarian for the sake of it.

I have gained more respect for Nick lately because he speaks out against all he thinks is error. But you have turned out to be a disappointment to me.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

bodhitharta said:

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God can make anyone his son, He can simply say “today I have begotten thee”

Says who?

bodhitharta wrote:

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Luke 10 21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” Notice how Jesus agree with me and calls his Father “Lord of heaven and earth”

Jesus said this BEFORE He was exalted. How many times do I have to tell you this? He existed in the form of God and then made Himself a servant. In the days of His flesh His Father was His Lord. After this God exalted Him to the position He formerly had. Now He is equal with God again. This is the WHOLE story.

bodhitharta said:

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Also to TT notice how Jesus is saying that All things have been given to him by his Father and yet he is still calling the Father “Lord”

Jesus said that the Son was to be honored EVEN AS the Father is honored (John 5:22)

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For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that ALL should honor the Son EVEN AS they honor the Father

Both the Father and the Son are to be honored EQUALLY.

again,

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It is My Father who honors Me of whom you say that He is your God (8:54)

Jesus said that He does not honor Himself. Anti-trinitarians stop there. If they would read on they would see that it is the Father who honors Him “who you say is your God.” The implication is clear. If the Father honors Jesus and the Father is your God, then honor Jesus and stop with your nonsense! The one who claims to honor the Father but refuses to honor the Son is a false child of God.

You say that Jesus agrees with you. But like Gene you don't always agree with Jesus.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
The prophets too should have been honoured but were murdered.[heb11]

[Paladin]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,06:25)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,19:31) Hi TT, No islam was never a part of the Church. Just another man made religion trying to help men over the guilt problem. But trinity came from among us and drew the church into apostasy. That is why the Whore will have special punishment[Rev 17-18] Come ye out of her lest you suffer for her sin. You are correct nick, Islam was never part of what you call the whore therefore it is PURE MONOTHEISM without the trinitarian confusion which is a clear sign of an Idolatorous Consciousness. You are attached to it to as you do not exact exclusive devotion to God Almighty. The True Religion is what Jesus practiced not what most christianity preaches. The True Religion of Abraham is what Islam preaches and God called Abraham His friend, what a blessed straight path. Almost every single christian church today is a child of the Catholic Church so whatever you feel about the Catholic Church remember she's your Mother.

Since Islam is itself divided into sects, who are killing each other, And each sect claims to follow only the truth, but it is evident that Islam truth is man made truth, how can you claim to follow “pure monotheism?”

If all three sects follow the same God, then why are you fighting?

If you don't follow the same God, then what are you fighting for?

It doesn't make sense.

[Paladin]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:48)

bodhitharta said: Quote Jesus has always said regarding The Father For Thine is The Kingdom, and The Power and The Glory FOREVER. Jesus says that The Kingdom is always the Father's do you believe him? And Paul said that we have been translated into the kingdom of His Son, Quote He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son (Colossians 1:13) and, Quote And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb (Rev. 22:1) This illustrates the chief between trinitarians and anti-trinitarians. Trinitarians believe everything the bible says. Anti-trinitarians pick and choose what they believe. Who rode into Jerusalem as the King of Israel? The Father or the Son? thinker

How can you believe what you don't even know? You do not know “everything the bible says.”

A king is greater than a prince. Can you tell me why Melchezidek is the king of peace, but Jesus is the prince of peace?

Can you tell me why Judah was chosen to be in the lineage of Jesus, but Joseph wasn't?

Can you tell me why God chooses the simple things to confound the educated and wise?

Can you tell me of Nehushtan? Why he was lifted up?

How can you claim trinitarians believe everything in the bible when you don't even know what is in the bible?

[Paladin]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,20:25)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,14:21) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,11:57) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,11:52) Hi TT, So the kingdom of God is now under the rule of the Son.[dan7, ps2, 1 cor15] How does that teach God is a trinity again? Nick, Exactly! The Son runs the whole show now. The implication is clear. thinker Hi TT, You mean the kingdom he is going to hand BACK to the Father? What is clear about your implications …..if there as an unequal MULTIPARTITE trinity it will fall apart will it not? The lesser is blessed by the greater[heb7] WJ do you agree God has several parts and one part died? Nick, Note also that God will be all in all then. So God is not all in all now. It is Christ is ALL IN ALL now. Your concern should be with what is true NOW. thinker

How is Christ “all in all” when he is not “in all” to begin with? He is only in those who are in him.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,21:43)

Hi TT, The prophets too should have been honoured by were murdered.[heb11]

Nick,
Where do the Scriptures say that all judgment had been committed to one of the prophets before Christ? And where do you find a atatement that a prophet before Christ was to be honored EVEN AS the Father is honored? These are fair questions.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Paladin said:

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How is Christ “all in all” when he is not “in all” to begin with? He is only in those who are in him.

The Father is not “in all” either. So what have you proven?

thinker

[Paladin]

Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:58)

Paladin said: Quote How is Christ “all in all” when he is not “in all” to begin with? He is only in those who are in him. The Father is not “in all” either. So what have you proven? thinker

Paul finished naming several categories of Christians, then observed Christ is all, as in “all of the above,” He is not just a Jew, nor just a scythian, etc, but is all of these, AND he is IN all of them.

Paul also speaks of God, after receiving the kingdom from Jesus after the last enemy, death, is destroyed, and says
1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

It is NOT the same thing. God is all in all, Jesus is all (of the above,) and in all (of the above).

You are equating apples and oranges and getting fruit salad and calling it “God.”.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Paladin @ July 14 2009,01:10)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,06:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,19:31) Hi TT, No islam was never a part of the Church. Just another man made religion trying to help men over the guilt problem. But trinity came from among us and drew the church into apostasy. That is why the Whore will have special punishment[Rev 17-18] Come ye out of her lest you suffer for her sin. You are correct nick, Islam was never part of what you call the whore therefore it is PURE MONOTHEISM without the trinitarian confusion which is a clear sign of an Idolatorous Consciousness. You are attached to it to as you do not exact exclusive devotion to God Almighty. The True Religion is what Jesus practiced not what most christianity preaches. The True Religion of Abraham is what Islam preaches and God called Abraham His friend, what a blessed straight path. Almost every single christian church today is a child of the Catholic Church so whatever you feel about the Catholic Church remember she's your Mother. Since Islam is itself divided into sects, who are killing each other,  And each sect claims to follow only the truth, but it is evident that Islam truth is man made truth, how can you claim to follow “pure monotheism?” If all three sects follow the same God, then why are you fighting? If you don't follow the same God, then what are you fighting for? It doesn't make sense.

Islam has about 2 or at the most 3 sects and yes there should be no sects as the Quran says let there be no sects in religion. However, Christianity has 39,000 denominations/sects and has been far more violent in history than any other religion ever on the face of the earth need I say Inquisition? in-fact there were 4 inquisitions plus the puritans and the Salem whitch trials…etc

Also think about this during the Crusades when the Christians took Jerusalem they were brutal and killed without any mercy but when the Muslims took Jerusalem back the Muslims had mercy and compassion and killed no one and even let the Christian soldiers return to their homes.

The Ku Klux Klan here in the united states used to and in some cases still do all sorts of evil against Blacks, latinos and even Jews and they are a Christian Organization

We really shouldn't try to judge a religion based on its faulty interpretation by some who claim it as its own but are simply evil. If you did that you couldn't seriously even be a Christian, Even Hitler had ties to the Christian Church, Brutal Slavery in Americas were carried out by so-called Christians

There are good Christians and Bad Christians and it's the same thing with Muslims and Jews and every other religion. So don't attack the Religion only speak about doctrine.

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:55)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,21:43) Hi TT, The prophets too should have been honoured by were murdered.[heb11] Nick, Where do the Scriptures say that all judgment had been committed to one of the prophets before Christ? And where do you find a atatement that a prophet before Christ was to be honored EVEN AS the Father is honored? These are fair questions. thinker

Hi TT,
So now you change tack and want to change the meaning of a word according to retrospect?

First tell us if the prophets should have been HONOURED and why they met the same fate as the son of God. The parable of the vineyard compares all these servants who were sent and their fates.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So your kingdom is divided against itself and expects to survive?
So is the whore viciously divided from her daughters.
The body of Christ is not divided.

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