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Nick….It's you who is boasting trying to have superior Knowledge not Us, Your the one always injecting your unwanted conjectures and half quoted scriptures into the subjects we discussing. WE just give our opinions and you come along with a condescending attitude no one else, only you.
Nick….you really do need to take you own advise. If anyone on this site is carnal minded giving carnal ways of fear and self salvation it is you, and condemning of other into an eternal ever burning literal lake of fire it is you. Even Jesus said He came not to condemn anyone, but to preach the (GOOD NEW) of the KINGDOM OF GOD, but you seem to think you can by misconstruing His words into a gospel of condemnation . For others (except you of course). IMO
GB,
Jesus came to offer salvation to all in the kingdom.
His words remain as the watershed of choice.Refuse to believe in him and do not respect his words and you condemn yourself.
Please do not encourage others to disrespect scripture.
Believe in him and his teachings.
Nick….I do respect Scripture it your misguided understand i reject , not what Jesus said, because what Jesus said makes perfect sense to me. Jesus said he condemned no one , but you think you have a right to, so don't give US this phony front you follow Jesus.
If you followed Jesus you would be teaching the (GOOD NEW) of the KINGDOM of GOD, Not some fear mongering half quoted scripture you us to preach you religion of self salvation through you own works being done, through the operation of fear and trembling that you falsely call religion of Christ, while you Stomp GOD (GRACE) into the mud. We have posted many times where LOVE casts out fear but you cast in fear, so what spirit is that from certainly not the Spirit of Christ.
Hi,
1Cor15
10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.Paul did not waste the grace given him.
Some do.Nick….are you one who does or are you suggesting other are but of course not you., Who are you to Judge another mans servant , for he will stand or fall to his own master, and stand he will because God is able to makes him stand. ” O YE OF LITTLE FAITH”. Tell me Nick what edification do you give to the brothers and sister here with you condescending attitude. Trying to make people look to there own selves for salvation through their own works through fear and trembling . You are a enemy of God in my opinion and do more harm then good. Trying to cause people to trust in themselves rather then the FATHER to overcome their sins and boaster their FAITH. imo
GB,
Was anyone in particular mentioned?
Perhaps it was a generalisation?Scripture abounds with warnings to respond to the various promptings of our God.
We must walk as there is no coach coming to pick us all up.Hi,
Acts 13:43
When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.2 Corinthians 6:1
As God's fellow workers we urge you not to receive God's grace in vainGalatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.Nick…..You need to read more in Galatians and understand what Paul was talking about. And then go to Exo 19:20 and see how the Law operated , also it wouldn't hurt to read Romans either. Notice that Moses said the LORD has done this that the (FEAR)of Him be before you so that you sin not. (FEAR) is how the (CARNAL) mind has to be Keep in line, But not a spiritual mind , for you brothern have (NOT) come to that Mountain to (FEAR) as THEY DID. You need to think about that imo.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 02 2008,14:16) Nick….are you one who does or are you suggesting other are but of course not you., Who are you to Judge another mans servant , for he will stand or fall to his own master, and stand he will because God is able to makes him stand. ” O YE OF LITTLE FAITH”. Tell me Nick what edification do you give to the brothers and sister here with you condescending attitude. Trying to make people look to there own selves for salvation through their own works through fear and trembling . You are a enemy of God in my opinion and do more harm then good. Trying to cause people to trust in themselves rather then the FATHER to overcome their sins and boaster their FAITH. imo
GB, you say that Nick judges another mans servant, and then you judge him. Are you not doing that which you are preaching against? I think this is a fair enough question.I also fail to see how Nick gets people to trust in themselves.
t8…..Nick has constantly put me as well as other down with his condescending words, this is something everyone on this site knows and have experienced with him at times , i not saying he does all the time but he sure does at times, and i think you full well know that. Look none of us should judge one another but when i made that statement that was what he was doing at that time and i brought that to his attention because i see him do that a lot. He infers thing i and other have not said, and reply to our posts with condescending attitudes. You know this to be true yourself T8.
AS far as Nick getting people to trust in themselves , let me explain why i said that, when you cause people to become fearful, what are you doing is it not to make people think if they don't correct themselves they will lose their salvation, fear is a powerful force and can cause people to do things out of it, but when they fail they lose Hope, No one is perfected through the operation of fear and trembling . The whole idea of fear causes people to focus on their selfs. If a person is moved by the Love of GOD He would be removing FEAR not casting it into people. In the end fear produces nothing and causes people to look to their self for correcting behavior, rather then GOD. The laws of God were given through the operation of fear Ex 19:20, but it perfected no one, while fear can control behavior it can never perfect it. Thats why we are not under Law (forced compliance) as Paul said. WE are made right through the operation of GRACE and GRACE ALONE. Fear is forced compliance but never changes the heart, only the GRACE of GOD can do that.
But you brethren have (NOT) come to that mountain to (FEAR) as they did. And again, “for we have not received the Spirit of FEAR but of Power and of a Sound Mind. I am against all fear mongering teaching because it causes people to focus on themselves and self overcoming through the medium of fear which never works. If we have a sin we are to go (BOLDLY) to the Throne of GRACE that we might find help in our time of need, for is we confess our sins God is Faithful to forgive us and more, to cleanse us from (ALL) unrighteousness, fear has nothing to do with it. We are (MORE) then OVERCOMER'S through Him who Loved us and gave himself for us.
Fear created unbelief and destroys FAITH. I am not saying we should not respect God and give Him reverence , but that not fear and trembling. Remember t8 , LOVE CAST (OUT) FEAR, Not casts it in.I personally LOVE GOD THE FATHER< A have not one ounce of FEAR of HIM , but always Know i can go to HIM for Help with any of my problems. He has performed great miracles and wonders in my life and I love him with all my heart and soul , I despise fear preachers who portray Him as a GOD of fear. They certainly do not know the LOVING GOD I know.
That how NICK causes people to trust in themselves rather then God………in my opinion.
peace to you and yours t8…………….gene
God is Love,and in Love we should as Christian welcome our Brothers and Sisters. So much is written about grace, while all forget the Love of God who gives it. Is it Love when you go on and on to see who can devour whom? I say stop. It is one thing to show your beliefs , but another to point fingers at each other. With Scripture or without, all is the same. IMO
Peace and Love to you both life is to short, IreneTiffany….right you talk about Love and GRACE and I totally agree with that , but preaching fear has nothing to do with LOVE or GRACE. And you need to know i do not HATE NICK, i may hate his use of FEAR, but I DO NOT HATE HIM. Jesus Hated the deed of the Nicholatians but does it say He hated them , NO. In fact he loved them, it was there deeds he hated. Jesus told us to have SALT in ourselves, and have peace.
love to you and yours…………..gene
GB,
Jesus was and is full of grace and truth.
He was blessed in godly fear of the Lord.Such is not the demonic spirit of fear
Hi,
We must allow grace to perfect us.
Heb13
20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
22And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.
It did for Jesus and those who went before.
Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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