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Nick……You have already put coals on your own head , by representing the Father as a GOD of fear and torment. Scripture shows we are not to represent Him that way, but you refuse to understand that , so Then it is my wish that your own fears come on your own head then instead of casting it out on others.
Gen and Nick! You both need to stop this, tearing each other down is not of God. Please in the name of Jesus, I ask.
Peace and Love be with both of you.
IreneHi,
It is impossible to walk in the way without the grace of God.
But the grace of God needs us to walk to be effective for us.Nick….So who is denying that NICK.? You say , But the grace of God (NEEDS) US TO. WRONG AGAIN NICK< the GRACE of GOD (CAUSES) US TO.
You who peaching a GOD of fear and torment, Not a GOD of LOVE , that casts out of our lives fear and torment. But you cast into peoples live fear and torment, and you should have to give account of what you do. What edification do you give other who are suffering from sins and other things in their lives, by your FEAR focused religion and theologies.Do you think FEAR can truly change them are you so deluded as to believe that? My desire is that what you preach comes on your own head, so you may learn not to preach a Mercifull and LOVING FATHER as apposed to a GOD of FEAR and TORMENT>
Nick…..I meant to say that you may learn to preach a God of LOVE and MERCY, as apposed to a GOD of FEAR and TORMENT.
Nick….heres you answer….> 1 Col 15:10 but by the GRACE of GOD I am what i am: and his GRACE which was bestowed upon was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: Yet NOT I, but the GRACE of GOD which was with me.
2 Co 12: 9…> and he said unto me , MY GRACE is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Gill”S commentary says “Paul attributed (ALL) to the GRACE of GOD and NOTHING to HIMSELF”>
Nick……Then grace caused repentance right. Do you think you change yourself and some how by your own choices you some how attain to righteousness without GOD doing it in you. Are you so decieved as to believe that. ARE you a piece of clay that has to help the potter or the potter can't do with you as He pleases , you deceive yourself my friend. I am really beginning to doubt your understanding of scriptures NICK.
GB,
So this grace of repentance was given to Israel and the gentiles.Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.So if grace was all that was required then all Israel and all the nations would have repented.
Some did but very few so why would they not listen and walk in grace?
Repentance is preached.
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.It must bring a human response.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentanceNick…..non of what you have quoted can or will work with out the GRACE OF GOD (God's influencing on the heart). NO ONE EVER REPENTED WITHOUT THE GRACE OF GOD CAUSING IT TO HAPPEN> YOU still trust in your own self and thats you problem you think you can save your self, and in reality are an enemy of GOD, you just don't realize it. You do not perceive the things that are done by GOD ALONE. You believe your personal choices is what saving you and you despise the GRACE of GOD. IMO
GB,
God granted the grace of repentance to Israel and the gentiles.According to your theory this would have FORCED God's will to be manifested in Repentance.
But the fruit of your idea is still awaited.
Nick….all those God granted GRACE and REPENTANCE do produce fruit , because the Spirit of GOD produces it in them. DO you even understand what conversion is?
GB,
All Israel did nor repent despite grace.
All the gentiles have yet to do so as well.
So Grace forces nobody to do anything, just enablesNick…..You assumption that they all had the grace of GOd on them is an error , Israel had no grace at work (IN) them in the old testament. They were simple Carnal Natured, and could not truly repent of anything, because their minds were carnal. You just do not know what grace is is the problem, and you would rather it be up to you to save yourself. But the fact show no one could save themselves with out the working of GRACE in their Hearts.
Are you an enemy of GOD, or do you despise His wonderful mercy and loving kindness, He extends to all His creation. you certainly seem to resist His loving works of grace and play it down a lot and elevate man self choices as their works of salvation.IMO
GB
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.NIck….you know as well as I that not (ALL) Israel nor (ALL) gentiles received in them the operation of GRACE, at this time, it will happen in the future, does it not say (ALL) of Israel shall be SAVED. Nick…there seems to be so many simple things you just don't understand , you need to really stop and think about what you are saying a little more.
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