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Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 05 2008,22:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2008,07:09) Hi GB,
Does your encouragement include reassurance that despite the rebellion and sin of men all will be saved?
Greetings Nick…..Wouldn't you think that,in Gods mercy and loving nature he would give all an opportunity to be saved..Of course there would be the demanding requisite of repentance and in support of your thesis there will be those who reject Gods offer and perish…..
thedore……..Repentance is caused by GOD man can not truly repent on His own Gods Spirit must produce Repentance and those who enter into judgment will have there minds opened in order for them to repent also. The problem we have here is man want to take credit for His salvation and therefore refuses to give God the glory for saving Him. If you look closely at what Nick says Your can see what i am talking about. God is basically pushed out of the picture and man is place as his own salvation or God only play a minor Part in the salvation of a man. Which is totally contrary to scriptures as posted many times by me and others here also.peace to you and yours…………….gene
Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 05 2008,22:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2008,07:09) Hi GB,
Does your encouragement include reassurance that despite the rebellion and sin of men all will be saved?
Greetings Nick…..Wouldn't you think that,in Gods mercy and loving nature he would give all an opportunity to be saved..Of course there would be the demanding requisite of repentance and in support of your thesis there will be those who reject Gods offer and perish…..
Hi TJ,
Human Logic has never ruled our GodHowever neither has God has restricted salvation to only be found through following Jesus or only a few could be saved, but His mercy being offered to the merciful and even the poor is shown throughout scripture.
Jesus has other sheep to find after the second resurrection.
But nowhere does it say all men will be saved.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 06 2008,06:37) Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 05 2008,22:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2008,07:09) Hi GB,
Does your encouragement include reassurance that despite the rebellion and sin of men all will be saved?
Greetings Nick…..Wouldn't you think that,in Gods mercy and loving nature he would give all an opportunity to be saved..Of course there would be the demanding requisite of repentance and in support of your thesis there will be those who reject Gods offer and perish…..
Hi TJ,
Human Logic has never ruled our God
However neither has God has restricted salvation to only be found through following Jesus or only a few could be saved, but His mercy being offered to the merciful and even the poor is shown throughout scripture.Jesus has other sheep to find after the second resurrection.
But nowhere does it say all men will be saved.
God's word and man's logic need not disagree…..secondly, you are in direct contradiction to God's word… you said
Quote However neither has God has restricted salvation to only be found through following Jesus
but God's word says…
Acts 4:12 (ESV) And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”and re
Quote or only a few could be saved,
and we find this is exactly what the Scripture says…
Matthew 7:13-14 (ESV)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.Matthew 22:14 (ESV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”Luke 13:23-24 (ESV)
23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.stick to God's word N, not to man's politically correct traditions…
blessings,
KenHi E,
Indeed there is no other name by which men can be saved.
There is only the NAME of Jesus Christ
and the sovereign mercy of God.Hi E,
Acts 4:12 (ESV)
And there is salvationIN no one else,
for there isNO OTHER NAME
UNDER HEAVEN
GIVEN
AMONG MEN
by which we must be saved.”
None of this restricts the sovereign mercy of God.
This mercy is specified in many placesBy Faith in Jesus Christ we are saved, it is a free gift from God. Not of our self so no one can boast. We have Jesus Christ as our Mediator to go to the throne of God and ask for forgiveness of our sins. If we thing we are sinners the truth is not in us.
My Personal expierence is that there are sins that can be in our subconcious mind, and only God and His Holy Spirit can show you those. So if we ask Gos show me my faults, wow watch out, He will.
Peace and Love IreneIrene….it is true what you are saying we all sin and if someone says they don't then they are liars Just as it says. If we sin we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous and when we find a sin in our lives we can go before the throne of (GRACE), so we can find Help in our time of need. God has concluded (ALL) UNDER SIN, that He might have MERCY ON ALL. Where sin did abound (GRACE) did much more abound.
May God bless and keep you and yours…………….gene
GB,
Only those in Christ have an advocate with the Father.
Those who have rejected him and his rod and his staff are on their own.Nick…..if God has closed their eyes How can they see or understand, Jesus said no man can come unto me unless the father draw him, so if God is the potter and we the clay lets not condemn others who may not at this time be called , this is (A) day of salvation (NOT) the (ONLY) DAY. Lets have the Heart of the FATHER and be willing to forgive and save ALL. God would HAVE ALL MEN TO COME TO REPENTANCE, and guess what Nick, He can cause it all to happen and will do it in time. God will can give faithfulness, saying in Jeremiah I will heal their FAITHLESSNESS. Yes there is hope for ALL, because who the FATHER IS. IMO
GB,
What God can do has never been at issue, only what He will do and He has revealed through His servants that some remain goats fit for the fire of destruction.Grace is given that we may seek more grace and be enabled to work out our salvation in fear and trembling.
Nick…so when did you have your last (fear and trembling experience) PLEASE TELL US ABOUT IT. AND ARE YOU STILL SHAKING AND TREMBLING? And i disagree with you your words do put GOD at issue, you are dening His ability to save his called and chosen by saying by saying it's up to them to figure out their own salvation. You have quoted that verse so many times you would think it's the only thing you understand in all the bible, however i notice you never quote the complete sentence. Why is that Nick.?
So let me quote it for you seeing you can;t get it right. But before i do that lets read 2Ti 1:7..> “for God hath (NOT) given us the spirit of (FEAR); but of (POWER), and of love, and of a sound mind.
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through (FEAR) of death were all their lifetime (subject) to bondage.
I Jo 4:18 There is (NO) FEAR in love; but perfect love (CASTETH OUT FEAR): because (FEAR) has torment. HE that (FEARTH) is (NOT) made perfect in Love.
Now with that (quoted) Lets address phi 2:12-13, ..>Wherefore , my beloved, as ye have (ALWAYS OBEYED), not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and thimbling. Verse 13..> For it is (GOD) which (WORKS) IN YOU both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
So we need to clarify who is doing the work is it you or is it GOD, while the last part of verse imply its up to you, verse 13 seams to say it is GOD who does the WORK, now who do you Nick think is doing the WORk would be the question and does He do it through the use of (FEAR).
Rom 8:15..> for you have not received the spirit of bondage again to (FEAR; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father. So nick with all of that said which Spirit have you received the one of bondage to FEAR or the one of Adoption?
I think your problem Nick, you confusing Reverence or respect for real fear . again it is the sum of God's word, not just part, thats truth.
peace……….gene
GB,
I thank God for the grace that is sufficient.
Supplied just when we need it for His wondrous purposes
But I will not take anything for granted till I later see the glory of Christ.GB,
Lk19
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.Servants who refuse his Lordship and despise his teachings do not fare well.
Nick…..Are you not despising his teachings by saying that his Grace is not sufficient for US but just you, we have to some how out of (FEAR an TREMBLING) work out our own salvation. And why have you not responded to my post on Fear. Do you think you shall escape the judgement of Christ by falsely representing scriptures. Do you think you can despise his teaching by introducing false heresies and you will fare well while all the time injecting fear into GOD Heritage, i think you delude yourself Nick. Who has said we take anything for granted thats just another of your accusations. Your fear mongering words create nothing but doubt and works adainst true FAITH , Those who have true FAITH are those who give positive assurances to GOD”S ELECT, not unbelieving fear mongers whose end is to be cast into the lake of fire. Its interesting who you just ignore all scriptures that show you errors and go on as if they were not even posted . If fear is your ministry then back it up by GOD'S word, and quite changing subjects every time you get in a corner. imo
GB,
All grace is not automatically given but more must be sought.
Grace compells nobody but provides ability as Gods provides opportunities.
True faith is not presumption or complacency and thus Paul and the apostles constantly exhorted.The holy fear of God is of grace too and enables men to respond to and walk in the gospel.
Acts 13:16
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.Romans 3:18
There is no fear of God before their eyes.2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;Hebrews 12:28
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Nick……you said (ALL) GRACE is NOT GIVEN, but must be sought. Please shop scripture that says that. You said Grace (COMPELS NO BODY), So i guess GRACE does not mean GOD”S influencing on the heart , then right. And Scripture does not say “for He (WORKS) in us (BOTH TO WILL and do of His good pleasure. Nick are you even reading the same Bibles we are?
Rom 8:15….for you have (NOT) received the spirit of bondage again to (FEAR); but you have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father.
2 Ti 1:7…> For GOD has not given us the SPIRIT OF FEAR , but of POWER and of a sound MIND.
Why does he tie no fear with power and a sound mind, Is it because people who are fearful don't have a sound mind because they lack true FAITH so they are always doubt their standing with GOD. YOU failed to address these scriptures in the past posts, see if you can now for a change, and tell us how they fit in with what you are saying please.
GB,
God is certainly at work in His servants, assisting those with grace who walk in his ways.
But as Peter showed in his second letter we need to seek that grace.But many rest up unwisely in the hope God will do it all anyway without their cooperation.
Nick……..who are the many who have GOD”S Spirit that do that? you make a statement but have no proof other then your own opinions. Trust me GOD is doing more then (ASSISTING) He is (TRANSFORMING MINDS). Without our (WORKS), Lest any should (BOAST). The POTTER has TOTAL POWER OVER THE CLAY, not parcel power, as you try to make it out to be. IMO
Rom 8:15 and 2TI 1:7…..is something you need to address in you fear teachings. Lest you be held accountable for discouraging the little ones, and remember Jesus said , it would be better for a MIL STONE to be hung around the nick and the person be cast into the sea , then to prevent any of these little ones. You need to think about what your fear teachings do Nick.
Nick….So you are (BEGINNING) to know so thats why you are full of fear then right. I thought you were grounded in the Faith but i see you are not , but just in the (BEGINNING)> OK, now that we have established that, then what about Rom 8:15, and 2Ti 1:7 we still have not heard you comfit on them as to you personal fear teachings.
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