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Nick……..If you are looking at it literally then that would be your opinion but i see it different i see it as the judgments of God. And as you know i believe God will eventually save All (YET AS BY FIRE) as Paul said. God did not create a creation in order to Just toss 90% of it into a literial eternally burning “hell fire”. Even the two whiteness, it says fire shall go out of their mouth and devour their enemies that not literal fire going out of their mouth. Fire is symbolic of Judgments of God. Even Jesus said we would all be salted with fire, its spiritual not literal. WE must learn to think in spiritual terms remember God is Spirit not physical and He speaks in Spiritual terms.I am not saying everything in scriptures is Just spiritual and never literal, but a lot is not literal and is Spiritual in intent. Fire in scripture is connect with purification in many places, and we must not ignore them.
Hi GB,
So looking at what you quote as applying to all men.
1Cor311For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Are all men founded on Christ? NO
Do all men have the Spirit of God dwelling in them? NO
Context should alert you that these verses apply to the saved and not the heathen idolaters.
1Cor1
Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
Please take care with the Word of God
Hi GB,
You say in another thread
“Its all about GRACE (God's influencing on the Heart). Many PROFESS GOD , but deny the (POWER THEREOF) They want people to believe its all up to themselves, this is False Christianity. There so-called (FREE WILLS) Has nothing to do with salvation. It is a gift (FROM GOD). Again Amen brother.Bless you brother these teachings need to be understood here and everywhere, It's not by (OUR WILLS) we are saved it is the WILL of GOD working by Faith through the operation of (HIS) GRACE (His influencing on the heart).”
But of course the gentle breezes of the Spirit can be and is resisted.
It is the Spirit that echoes the command of Jesus to seek as that is how grace is found.
Only when the sons reach glory will they be able to know how grace got them there.
We hear more of presumption masquerading as grace and faith than what is the work of God among men.
Hi,
This is how grace is accessed and why
2 peter1
2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
Nick…….Are you really understanding what you quote, “According to (HIS DIVINE POWER)< Hath GIVEN UNTO US etc. GO back and reread that and think about it for a while and don't add you thoughts to it and Just believe it is true. Then You won,t Profess GOD <BUT (Deny) the power thereof. "for you are saved by GRACE (God's influencing on the heart), and that NOT OF YOURSELF< you either believe that or not Just as Zthebrean said. Quit trying to change scripture to meet your belief system NICK. Accept it for what it says and get yourself out of the picture, Salvation is about the WORK OF GOD, not our works Least anyone should boast. It GOD (HIMSELF ALONE WHO CHANGES OUR HEARTS) it has nothing to do with our own wills cant you get that. When GOD changes our Heart we put our WILL to DEATH. It ALL HIS WORK let not not continue to try to seal His glory NIICK…IMO
Hi GB,
Indeed the promises are given to us who are in Jesus enabling us to access the wonderful grace of God. In him it is given and awaits our seeking.Nick…….We are caused to seek Jesus as Jesus said, NO MAN (CAN) come unto me, (UNLESS) the Father DRAW (greek drag him) It is not us following sone gentle breeze as you are portraying, nearly all your posts puts the work of salvation on the man himself and fear is used by you a lot. While a healty reverence for the Father is need by all to say that fear and trimbling is what saves us is not true. Even when you quote ti you leave out the rest of the sentence that says “for it is God who (WORKS) in you (BOTH0 to (WILL) and do of His good pleasure.”. If you only use part of the sentence and leave out the rest then you are taking it out of context and putting the enficess on the person and disreguarding GOD in the sentence completely. ” Love CAST OUT FEAR”, love does not cast in fear, we need to ask ourselves are we castring (IN) Fear or from LOVE casting it OUT of people we will be held accountable Nick, for what we are doing to GOD'S Heirtage. To down play GRACE in my opinion is to down play the Father himself. We should never forget “we are (SAVED) by GRACE and that NOT of OURSELVES, it is a gift of GOD, (NOT) by works it (SALVATION) is a GIFT OF GOD> IMO
Hi GB,
Fear is not what is the main problem seen here but the presumption that those to whom the investment of the Holy Spirit have been given will inevitably obey God and come to salvation. The whole teaching of Paul and the apostles is to encourage men to walk in, and continue seeking further grace.Nick….I don't disagree with that, it because what in the world that is constantly effecting us, and our own sins that are still in our bodies, But to think GOD is relying on us only through some operation of fear is wrong, Yes we need to be sober, yes we need to endure, yes we need to pray continually and not stop praying. But God Spirit is greater then whats in the world and He is always ready to forgive us even more then we are ready to ask him to.
Look no body is THERE till were there, I just feel people are discouraged most of the time because of their short comings and failures and can become discouraged and they need our support and love and encouragement all the time. Even Paul said He failed at times i know i also do, but i know the Father who loves me and is always ready to forgive me no matter what i have done so i never quite going to Him and He has given me Power over many sins, but i am still not perfect, so i keep trying no matter what. I look at everyone as they are going through a Hell of a struggle and especially of the household of GOD. I do not want to discourage anyone no matter what, i am useless if i can't encourage all.
peace to you and yours…………..gene
Hi GB,
Does your encouragement include reassurance that despite the rebellion and sin of men all will be saved?Nick……..YES ,it certainly does, if it didn't you or I could never be saved now or ever, because it is not within a man to direct his paths, and the carnal mind is a enemy of GOD (NOT SUBJECT) to his laws neither indeed (CAN BE). God the Father must cause these changes in Us for us to respond to his way. And He does this by His GRACE (God's influencing on the heart), Nick God is no faillure whoever He sets out to save WILL BE SAVED (Yet as by FIRE) OR GODLY JUDGMENTS. “God has concluded ALL under sin that He might have mercy on ALL. If we are All under sin, that means that sin controls us ALL. But where sin did abound God's GRACE abounded MORE> Let's live to encourage not condemn.
Peace to all……………gene
Nick……you seem to think only what Jesus says and nothing else counts, what about what the apostles or what GOD Himself said through the prophets I guess with your limited understanding that does not matter only what Jesus said right?. If what i have written is not in scripture please show me then, No need to just make degrading accusations that shows your level of mentality. IMO
Nick…..they certainly were inspired by the SAME SPIRIT AS JESUS. You mean you really did not know that. What do you think it means when it says “Let this mind be in you as was ALSO in Christ Jesus our lord. means. and again God spoke to us in times past through the prophets, has spoken to us in the latter days through a son. It's the same God speaking rather through a prophet or Jesus or an apostle it is the same GOD.
surely you know that didn't you.GB,
Soif Jesus and the prophets and apostles spoke according to the Spirit of God
why would you elevate the words of Isaac Newton over Gods?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2008,07:09) Hi GB,
Does your encouragement include reassurance that despite the rebellion and sin of men all will be saved?
Greetings Nick…..Wouldn't you think that,in Gods mercy and loving nature he would give all an opportunity to be saved..Of course there would be the demanding requisite of repentance and in support of your thesis there will be those who reject Gods offer and perish…..Nick…..where did i elevate Newton words over God's word, I nor Newton ever did that . Your are simply trying to make it appear that which to me is judgmental and degrading to me and would be to Newton also if he were alive , who do you a little man think you are to make any call like that, you need to look at your own attitude before looking at others, take the beam out of your eye would be a good start before accusing others of things you do not even understand . I have given you many scriptures to support my views as well as other have also, but you just ignore them and never commit on any them but say its not what Jesus said , which only shows you ignorance of scriptures in general. I believe your master is your ego, not Jesus at all. If Jesus were your master you would understand thes thing people are presenting to you.
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