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So God gives grace to the humble.James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.Nick……There is enough scriptures that back up that “Guesswork” it has been posted over and over again here. while your guesswork of God killing all but a few of His creation is probably more of a guesswork i would think. Not to mention a complete misrepresentation of our LOVING GOD and FATHER.
peace and love…………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2009,12:25) 942767………Amen Brother i agree with that, and know that. God has concluded all under sin that he might have mercy on (ALL) Jesus Christ is our Passover , the offered lamb of GOD. For the life of the world. love and peace to you and yours………….gene
Quote Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 06 2009,12:05) Hi 94,
And the mercy of God is still on offer to all men, if only they would listen to His Son.
True. Gene says that he might have “Mercy on all”. The scripture, I believe states that He has concluded all to be in unbelief in order that he might have mercy on all, and it is an offer that is available to all, but it is an offer that one must want and accept. All will not be saved. The scriptures do not teach this.942767……..The reason i believe God will ultimately save all is all the other scripture posted here by myself and Chosene and others as well that show God is both will and capable of saving all. I think we can both agree with that right. Now what would prevent that from happening , I believe you could only give me One answer to that question, and the would be this idea of (FREE WILL) or as some would say (FREE MORAL AGENCY) , but the problem with that approach is none of those things are mentioned in scriptures. SO we would have to presume there is no FREE WILLS or no FREE MORAL AGENCY working with in a person coming from His or her own self. And ig God said there is no one righteous not even one , then who on their own could ever qualify for salvation. It says the carnal mind is enmity to God not subject to Gods law neither can indeed be. God also said it's not within a man to direct His steps. So if we say these things are true, where does that leave us then, At the totally mercy of GOD , who said he could take out of us the stoney hears and give us heart of flesh (soft hearts) hearts that he can work with. It also says we are (CREATED) unto righteousness, WE all know we are not the CREATOR who can do this. Lastly and what makes anyone think if he can do this for us he won't do it for the rest of humanity. I mean if we have to be (MADE) right by GOD why not the rest of humanity then. REMEMBER GOD IS LOVE and He is not WILLING any PARISH. Thats my case for salvation for all. Its what I and some others think also. Am i over here pumping (universalism) AS Nick says No , in fact i never even heard of it till he mentioned the word before in my life. I was only going with my understanding of scriptures was and is. Not preaching it it Just my opinion. but i believe its just as valid as others are.
love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 06 2009,15:18) 942767……..The reason i believe God will ultimately save all is all the other scripture posted here by myself and Chosene and others as well that show God is both will and capable of saving all. I think we can both agree with that right. Now what would prevent that from happening , I believe you could only give me One answer to that question, and the would be this idea of (FREE WILL) or as some would say (FREE MORAL AGENCY) , but the problem with that approach is none of those things are mentioned in scriptures. SO we would have to presume there is no FREE WILLS or no FREE MORAL AGENCY working with in a person coming from His or her own self. And ig God said there is no one righteous not even one , then who on their own could ever qualify for salvation. It says the carnal mind is enmity to God not subject to Gods law neither can indeed be. God also said it's not within a man to direct His steps. So if we say these things are true, where does that leave us then, At the totally mercy of GOD , who said he could take out of us the stoney hears and give us heart of flesh (soft hearts) hearts that he can work with. It also says we are (CREATED) unto righteousness, WE all know we are not the CREATOR who can do this. Lastly and what makes anyone think if he can do this for us he won't do it for the rest of humanity. I mean if we have to be (MADE) right by GOD why not the rest of humanity then. REMEMBER GOD IS LOVE and He is not WILLING any PARISH. Thats my case for salvation for all. Its what I and some others think also. Am i over here pumping (universalism) AS Nick says No , in fact i never even heard of it till he mentioned the word before in my life. I was only going with my understanding of scriptures was and is. Not preaching it it Just my opinion. but i believe its just as valid as others are. love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
Hi Gene:My opinion nor yours, if it does not line up with the Word of God, can be given by us as being valid.
It is God's will and mine and I believe yours that no man should perish and that all will come to repentance, and I do hope and I pray each day to God that he do all that can be done to bring every person on the face of the earth to repentance so that they can be saved, and I know that God will do every thing in his power to save every individual.
The proptiation for the sins of all of humanity has been settled though Him in our Lord Jesus. It is the greatest gift that humanity could ever receive. God's gift of love. Unfortunately, some will choose to reject what God has done for them.
Our commission from our Lord is to preach the gospel to every creature who will hear. God is calling those who will hear just as the scripture that I posted states: “The Spirit and the bride say come”. He also said, go into the highway and the byways and “compel” them to come in.
Well, I am going to do what God has directed me to do. I can't save anyone but I can tell them what God has done for them out of his love for them, but also, I will let them know of the impending judgment. The latter is not to scare someone into being saved. I don't believe anyone can be saved if they are not sincere in wanting to live for the Lord. I just want people to know the truth. So that they can have all of the facts before they make their decision. It is their decision.
942767………please show where scripture show some will choose to reject what God has done for them. Would like to see that written , all men have reject GOD, as the scripture say they have “i looked for ONE righteous man NO NOT even ONE” “they have all together turned away backward , their is none that doth good not one”, and again “where for the LORD took it upon His own arm to (BRING SALVATION)”. By GRACE are you saved an that (NOT) of Yourselves, it is a Gift of GOD. What is a Gift (SALVATION) Scripture also says (Whosoever Calls on the Name of the LORD shall be saved). Look 94, my hope ,your hope, and God Will is that none Parish, lets just leave it at that brother and see what the FATHER does with it.
love and peace to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 06 2009,16:07) 942767………please show where scripture show some will choose to reject what God has done for them. Would like to see that written , all men have reject GOD, as the scripture say they have “i looked for ONE righteous man NO NOT even ONE” “they have all together turned away backward , their is none that doth good not one”, and again “where for the LORD took it upon His own arm to (BRING SALVATION)”. By GRACE are you saved an that (NOT) of Yourselves, it is a Gift of GOD. What is a Gift (SALVATION) Scripture also says (Whosoever Calls on the Name of the LORD shall be saved). Look 94, my hope ,your hope, and God Will is that none Parish, lets just leave it at that brother and see what the FATHER does with it. love and peace to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
(42767………but does that say they perished (No,) maybe they will have to be dealt with through a more intense Judgment to bring to a place of repentance or maybe God will have to take out of them there hard hearts also as he did us.,and give then a new heart to. AS i said will just have to see what the FATHER will DO. And remember we were all like those people at one time also, not willing to repent of anything , but look what GOD did for Us. As long as there is Life there is Hope.
love and peace to you and yours……………………….gene
Nick………who said anything about torture, Judgement does not have to mean torture at all. Nick, GOD (GIVES) TRUE REPENTANCE. We are CAUSED TO REPENT, no man truly repents on his own, “Godly (SORROW) WORKS REPENTANCE, not to be repented of”. And again “for you are SORROW UNTO REPENTANCE”> “they were pricked in their hearts and said men and brethren what shall we do seeing we have put to death the son of God” they were sorry for what they had done and were (REPENTANT).This repentance was brought on by the HOLY SPIRIT poured out on them all who had received the Spirit believed the apostle Peter's words and as a result were repentant. They did not repent on there own, it was a work of GOD in them.
Nick………you morbid attachment to torture and burning up people is indicative of fear mongers. The work of GOD is about salvation not fear and torture, you would do well to remember that. “for i saw the Lord descend from Mount Paron with tens of thousands of His Saint, to execute Judgment on the earth, and to (CONVINCE) ALL the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed on the earth.” . I see no flame throwers here do you. Only reasoning with people to show then the errors of their ways.
love and peace to all…………………..gene
So GB,
These forms of strong trials for those who are not yet established in Christ you think will somehow force them to become one with him?GB,
Is this the verse you quote?2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition [684]of ungodly men.
Number 684
Transliteration:
apoleia {ap-o'-li-a}
Word Origin:
from a presumed derivative of 622
TDNT:
1:396,67
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
perdition 8, destruction 5, waste 2, damnable 1, to die 1519 1, perish 1498 1519 1, pernicious 1Total: 19
Definition:
destroying, utter destruction
of vessels
a perishing, ruin, destruction
of money
the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hellNo second chances
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 06 2009,16:44) (42767………but does that say they perished (No,) maybe they will have to be dealt with through a more intense Judgment to bring to a place of repentance or maybe God will have to take out of them there hard hearts also as he did us.,and give then a new heart to. AS i said will just have to see what the FATHER will DO. And remember we were all like those people at one time also, not willing to repent of anything , but look what GOD did for Us. As long as there is Life there is Hope. love and peace to you and yours……………………….gene
Hi Gene:You are making assumptions which are just not there.
Let's take a look at the scriptures.
Quote Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.Quote Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Quote
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.Quote Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Quote Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.Quote Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Quote Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.Quote 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Please look specifically at 2 Th 2:10. I too would hope that all men would be saved, but these scriptures indicate that it is not so.
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