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Hi 94,
We know that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are alive to God as is Elijah and Moses.
Did God just take a tiny crop?
All the nations are judged ]Mt25]Reading all of these post makes me realize that those that never heard of Jesus should have a chance to do so. To me it makes perfect sense that it should happen during the Millenium reign of Christ, like Geog said. The too deserve a chance. And all in their order.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2008,15:40) Hi 94,
We know that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are alive to God as is Elijah and Moses.
Did God just take a tiny crop?
All the nations are judged ]Mt25]
Hi Nick:The dead in Christ shall rise at the coming of the Lord which includes all who were saved from the OT who have died physically.
Those in Christ from all nations who are alive at the coming of the Lord for the church will be translated and meet the dead in Christ and the Lord in the air.
Those who are alive from all nations at the coming of the Lord for the church will have worshipped the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.
And so, Matthew 25 all nations who are alive are before him to be judged according to their works.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 30 2008,16:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2008,15:40) Hi 94,
We know that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are alive to God as is Elijah and Moses.
Did God just take a tiny crop?
All the nations are judged ]Mt25]
Hi Nick:The dead in Christ shall rise at the coming of the Lord which includes all who were saved from the OT who have died physically.
Those in Christ from all nations who are alive at the coming of the Lord for the church will be translated and meet the dead in Christ and the Lord in the air.
Those who are alive from all nations at the coming of the Lord for the church will have worshipped the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.
And so, Matthew 25 all nations who are alive are before him to be judged according to their works.
Hi 94,
Rev20
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Sounds like all who have lived and are not already passed from death to life[jn5].
Marty
You can not always take scripture literally. When Christ comes for those who have died in him, the saints, we who are alive wont be aware of what is taken place. The trumpet sound is for the dead saints only. The first resurrection is for the body of Christ only, of which he is the head. He is the first of many brethren, that means, all holy men and woman of the OT are not part of that body. No one could have died for Christ in faith, before Christ.
I see you believe in the rapture; if you are really interested in whether there is a rapture or not, check out my topic “The Rapture”. Also check out “The seven trumpets, and the seven last bowls”, it would save me a lot of typing.Georg
Hi Georg,
Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.Hi georg,
Scripture says they had the Spirit of Christ in them
1Peter1
9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2009,04:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 30 2008,16:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2008,15:40) Hi 94,
We know that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are alive to God as is Elijah and Moses.
Did God just take a tiny crop?
All the nations are judged ]Mt25]
Hi Nick:The dead in Christ shall rise at the coming of the Lord which includes all who were saved from the OT who have died physically.
Those in Christ from all nations who are alive at the coming of the Lord for the church will be translated and meet the dead in Christ and the Lord in the air.
Those who are alive from all nations at the coming of the Lord for the church will have worshipped the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.
And so, Matthew 25 all nations who are alive are before him to be judged according to their works.
Hi 94,
Rev20
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Sounds like all who have lived and are not already passed from death to life[jn5].
Hi Nick:In John 5 Jesus is speaking of those to whom the gospel message has been preached. Those who have believed will be raised to eternal life, and those who have died in their sins who have not believed will be raised to be judged.
Quote Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Quote Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Of course, the dead in Christ which includes all who have been saved from the OT and the NT will be raised to eternal life. Jesus is the propitiation for all of the sins of these. The blood of the animal sacrifices which was offered in the OT for sins is symbolic of the blood that Jesus has shed for the sins of those in the OT. The blood of the passover lamb being applied to the door posts of the Israilites home as the death angel passover them, is symbolic of the blood that is applied to hearts of all of those whose sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus. The blood that was offered by the High Priest on the day atonement is symbolic of the blood of Jesus which was offered for all of those who were in obedience to God under the law of Moses.
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 942767………….> once i was involved with a church that Pushed the law and the holy days , and we were having a Passover service, and I was to share in a sermon that day. The preacher in his portions gave a strong sermon of obedience to the law as why God passed over those Israelites and destroyed the Egyptians , it was quite a discouraging sermon, I could see how everyone was down, Then i was called up to give what i had prepared, so feeling bad for them, i said to them ,Was it really the Israelite Peoples righteousness that saved them or was it the fact that the death angle saw the Blood and passed over them. It wouldn't have mattered if you were an Egyptian or a Israelite , if you had the lambs blood on you door post you would have been passed over.
It was the GRACE of GOD I told them it was all about the Blood on the door post, and if God has applied the blood of Christ on the door post of our Heart we to will be passed over and saved also. Those Israelite were not saved by any of their personal righteousness but by the blood of the lamb and we are not saved by obedience to the law either but by the blood of the Lamb of GOD (JESUS). The minister later ask me in front of many,why did i see fit to give a declaimer sermon, i responded i was simply showing them it was by the GRACE of GOD they were saved, he said back to me well that what is was saying to, So At that moment the words Just come out of my mouth (Then why say i gave a declaimer then) He was completely unable to even respond . I did not even think to say that, it just came out of my mouth. Later they ask me if i would push their organization and ask and take tithes, I said no, I was just supposed to be filling in and they began to depend more and more on me and to give a sermon every week is not easy to do,. Thats one thing i don't envy WJ about not to mention all the other sorrows he has to deal with. A ministers job more difficult then most think. Some of the big phonies Churches has other doing the hard work, while they enjoy the spoils of their rip offs.
love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
So GB,
The blood of the passover lamb must be applied to us for God to withhold His righteous wrath?
Except for the sovereign mercy of God unless men repent they will perishQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2009,11:40) 942767………….> once i was involved with a church that Pushed the law and the holy days , and we were having a Passover service, and I was to share in a sermon that day. The preacher in his portions gave a strong sermon of obedience to the law as why God passed over those Israelites and destroyed the Egyptians , it was quite a discouraging sermon, I could see how everyone was down, Then i was called up to give what i had prepared, so feeling bad for them, i said to them ,Was it really the Israelite Peoples righteousness that saved them or was it the fact that the death angle saw the Blood and passed over them. It wouldn't have mattered if you were an Egyptian or a Israelite , if you had the lambs blood on you door post you would have been passed over. It was the GRACE of GOD I told them it was all about the Blood on the door post, and if God has applied the blood of Christ on the door post of our Heart we to will be passed over and saved also. Those Israelite were not saved by any of their personal righteousness but by the blood of the lamb and we are not saved by obedience to the law either but by the blood of the Lamb of GOD (JESUS). The minister later ask me in front of many,why did i see fit to give a declaimer sermon, i responded i was simply showing them it was by the GRACE of GOD they were saved, he said back to me well that what is was saying to, So At that moment the words Just come out of my mouth (Then why say i gave a declaimer then) He was completely unable to even respond . I did not even think to say that, it just came out of my mouth. Later they ask me if i would push their organization and ask and take tithes, I said no, I was just supposed to be filling in and they began to depend more and more on me and to give a sermon every week is not easy to do,. Thats one thing i don't envy WJ about not to mention all the other sorrows he has to deal with. A ministers job more difficult then most think. Some of the big phonies Churches has other doing the hard work, while they enjoy the spoils of their rip offs.
love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
Hi Gene:The blood of Jesus is the propitation for the sins of all who will be saved and without it no one can be saved.
The scripture states that in Isaac the seed of Abraham will be called.
The passover is symbolic of calling God's people out of Egypt or bondage to Pharoah who is symbolic of bondage to sin.
We are saved by Faith because of the goodness of God and not our goodness. When we heard the gospel, we believed with a repentant heart, and we were saved. The works that we do in the body of Christ shows that we have believed and that we have repented. Sometimes we receive the Holy Ghost prior to being baptized in water and sometimes after we are baptized.
As born again Christians, we do not practice sin wilfully otherwise we haven't truly been saved, but we may commit a sin or sins wilfully or not, but when we know that we have sinned, we repent and ask forgiveness, but to those whom we may have offended and also from God.
And so, the scriptures state that salvation is by “faith” so that it might be by “grace” not of works lest any man should boast.
But “faith without works is dead”. The epistle of James states that if we see a brother in Christ in need and have it in our means to help him, and we don't, we probably do not have the love of God dwelling within us.
Nick……your stupid question is not even deserving of a reply. If you don;t know God has applied the Blood of Christ for our sin then you are dumber then i thought.
you second sentence is just as ignorant as the first, Show it written that way anywhere.peace……………gene
942767………Amen Brother i agree with that, and know that. God has concluded all under sin that he might have mercy on (ALL) Jesus Christ is our Passover , the offered lamb of GOD. For the life of the world.
love and peace to you and yours………….gene
Nick……….again if you really believe it the way you said it , lets be honest brother that is dumb. but i don't think you understand it that way , but if you do that is dumb. I hope you not say i understand it that way then i would be dumb on my part.
Nick you need to just back off and try to get along, even with those that disagree with you like me. OK.
peace and love…………………gene
Gb,
Should we just tolerate your false teachings?
Nothing personal but you are way off beam and immured in the world.Nick………no one is asking you to tolerate anything. BUT we seem to have to tolerate you false teachings though right? If you can't explain your posts or show were our are wrong then what good are you. Are we top assume your automatically right, when it is obvious by me and other you are not right in some thing you say. If you say we are wrong then you have a obligation to (PROVE IT). Without personal slanders as you seem unable to do.
peace and love to you …………………..gene
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