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Hi Georg,
We do not define how and how many God will save by our reading of scripture.
What he has outlined is how many will be sons of the resurrection.
But God is love.Hi Georg,
If you have heard the gospel of God then you are among those given grace to become a child of God.No Nick
Its not the hearers, its the doers; but that is for now, what about all that those that don't even know what the gospel is?
You speak of the love of God a lot, and yet you claim he wont give all a chance.Georg
Hi Georg,
Why do all need to hear the gospel when God is gracious and kind?
All will not and few who do will respond.Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 28 2008,10:35) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 27 2008,09:49) Sodom and Gomorrarh has already been judged. Why would God resurrect them to be judged again?
“But someday I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and Samaria, and I will restore you, too. EZE 16:53Yes, your sisters, Sodom and Samaria, and all their people will be restored, and at that time you also will be restored. EZE 16:55
Tim
Sodom is as the perishing body,
the preacher loadeth such doom on a the physical destruction of the spirit of breath, in all perishing life.
echos of those souls are never destroyedNot even sacrifice and offering would have saved the city Sodom. neither is the sight of Arron's two sons which were destroyed offering sacrifices on the alter to their punishing God, they did not appear to be immoral fornicators? DESERVING OF THE SPIRIT OF BREATH TO BE RETURNED TO GOD, nothing saves That which enters this world not intended as eternal, no matter what the state of THE CREATURE, some write THEN all souls rise, ……EVEN SODOM RISEN AGAIN….WHERE FORTH HAS THE ETERNAL HELL BEEN CONDEMNED TOO? LEAST adversary words condemn it for second fiery burning judgment?
its said god makes way for the next!
Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
the hard of hearing stupidity of man to continue in sacrifice, to make way for a returning body.
really what they are saying is that god has made and assigned a day when flesh shall not perish, and we shall be like him, the faith is then a mental state of ghostly form prepared bodies.people are bent, terrified to let go of the the remembrance of this life, and loved ones…..faith connection can only be establish within the souls being eternal, and the flesh prepared that they live in, finally being raised in grace from the crib. wisdom shall deliver the rewarding gift of life. and the reuniting of friends, that may be the “hope” of the things that this perishing mind shall never remember to know, in the body that is done away with, that shall make way for the next that the soul being all that live on throu eternity!
Nick
I'm surprised to hear you say that; if that was true, why preach the gospel at all?
Why did Peter sayAct 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
That prophet is Jesus Christ, and what do you thing he is going to say?
Georg
Hi georg,
God does want the gospel preached allowing us an opportunity to work with Him.
All creation awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
They will be few.Most can only hope for mercy in the judgement because Satan has muddied the waters and men grasp the hand of the whore ahead of the shepherd.
Nick
I think you are confused, do you believe all that are saved will be spirit beings? That is not so.
God, from the beginning, had predestined some to be called.Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.This is speaking only of the saints that will inherit the spiritual kingdom; they were called to follow him no matter what, to even sacrifice their life if need be; their reward would be a spirit body, like Christs. All the rest of mankind will, if they listen too, and obey the prophet, inherit the earth; everlasting life.
God, forgiving our sins then, is showing mercy and love for his creation.Georg
Hi Georg,
The prophet was identified by Peter in acts 3.
Jesus will not be prophesying when he rules the nations.
God still has new sons being reborn today into his Kingdom.Prophets fortell the future. The future will be written.
Nick
I did not say nor did I suggest that Jesus would be prophesying, I said what the Bible says, “hear” that prophet. And you keep avoiding answering my question, I take that as a, you don't know. I can tell you, that in time, you will be glad you were wrong.
Georg
Georg……….welcome to my world, i have the same problem with brother NICK.
love and peace to you and Irene also……………….gene
Hi Geprg,
There is no scripture that says that King Jesus will continue prophesying during the millenial kingdom.
The time to hear him is now when the door to that kingdom remains open.Quote (Tiffany @ Dec. 27 2008,15:53) 942767 Jesus died for Sodom and Gomorrah too, all mankind; they never heard the name Jesus, how can the believe in him?
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Only those with a clear understanding of the Word of God are judged now, and there are not too many. Why do you think we have so many denomination, not to mention the many religion; and can any one agree on anything? That will not be so in God kingdom, the millennium.
Georg
Hi Georg:Those in the OT, of course could not have heard of Jesus, but they had heard about God. In the generation before the flood, Enoch repented and the scriptures state of him:
Quote Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.Of Course, Enoch was not perfect, and the scriptures state that all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and so although, Enoch did not hear about Jesus, however, Jesus is the proptiation for his sins.
It may be that Abel was also saved from this generation.
Then Noah and his family were saved by the ark which is literal and also symbolic of the ark of safety that is today which is body of Christ.
Then there was Abraham with who God made a covenant saying to him that his seed would be as the sand of the seahore through his heir, Isaac the promised child of who God said that in Isaac His seed would be called, and from him came Jacob whose name was changed to Israel and from whom came the twelve tribes of Israel who were called out of Egypt by God through Moses.
Jesus is the proptiation for the sins of all those who obeyed God in this generation.
Those under the law of Moses were the body of Christ and were to be the example of God's people to the surrounding nations in the Law of Moses. There were a few of the gentile nations that were saved. Ruth the grandmother of king David and Rahab the harlot, and the queen of Sheba who heard of the wisdom of Solomon and came to hear, and Nineveh and there may have been others.
Jesus is the proptitiation for the sins of all of these. Although they never heard of Jesus.
Those who were not saved from Adam unto the flood have been judged by the same judgment that was given Adam. Those that died by the flood were judged by the flood. They are dead. They are no more, and they will not be judged and further. The wages of sin is death.
Those who are not saved in the period of the Law of Moses have been judged by the law. Some were stoned to death which was their judgment. They are dead and will not be resurrected to be judged any further.
Those of the gentile nations were not under the law have been judged and are dead. Sin is not imputed where there is not law. This applied to those who lived after Adam and prior to the flood and to these gentiles. They had opportunity to repent and obey God. If they did not, the wages of sin is death. They are no more. Sodom and Gomorrah have been judged. None of these will be resurrected.
And so Jesus is the proptiation for the sins of all those who obeyed God in the OT and for all of those who are reconciled to God through him in the NT.
The scripture that you mentioned:
Quote Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? This scripture applies only to the NT era.
Those in the body of Christ are being judged now, and those who have heard the gospel and did not believe will be judged by the Word of God in the last day. The seven last plagues for those alive at the coming of the Lord for the church. Those who have died in their sins prior to the coming of the Lord for the church will be resurrected after 1000 years in the second resurrection and judged according to their works. It appears that by the therm Sodom and Gommorah the scriptures are stating that the judgment will be less severe on those who did not hear the gospel.
Quote Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Quote Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.Quote 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness
Quote Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Quote Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and t
he dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Hi 94,
You say
” They are dead and will not be resurrected to be judged any further.”
But all will be raised.942767
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Notice, it says “for all”, please define “all”.
So, I'm asking again, how will “all” the “unsaved” have a chance to get their name into the book of life?
Not that I suggest that all will, but they have to at least have a chance to do something about it, since Jesus died for them too.Georg
Hi Georg,
The same ones also called in the verse WE
The saved.There are some whose names are not written in the book of life.[rev20]
Quote (Tiffany @ Dec. 30 2008,13:11) 942767 Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Notice, it says “for all”, please define “all”.
So, I'm asking again, how will “all” the “unsaved” have a chance to get their name into the book of life?
Not that I suggest that all will, but they have to at least have a chance to do something about it, since Jesus died for them too.Georg
Hi Georg:Every one had their chance to be saved during their life on earth. My understanding is that in the OT they have already been judged. If they were not saved, they are dead, and will not be resurrected to be judged any further. Our commission here in the NT era since Jesus has come in the flesh has been and is to preach the gospel to every one who wants to hear so that they can make a decision whether or not they want to be reconciled to God and be saved.
You quote verse 10:10 of Hebrews. These scriptures are speaking of Jesus the perfect sacrifice which was offered once and need not be offered again and again as the sacrifices in the OT. Look at verse 14:
Quote Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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