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Hi Georg,
Repentance is not the only door of salvation for mankind or no more sheep would be found in the final judgement.God is Sovereign and offers mercy to the merciful and brings the good and the bad alike to the wedding table.
We cannot add to scripture to satisfy our ideas of righteousness.
Nick
It is God that leads you to repentance by hearing his Word.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
What would you say, will happen to you if you do not repent? what other way is there, were repentance doesn't come first.
Where do you see the bad coming to the wedding table? you should be careful who you accuse of adding to the scripture.Georg
Hi Georg,
All do not hear the word such as to repent and enter the door of Christ.
God invites all to be the sons of the resurrection.
All are not to become children of God.Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.Hi georg,
Matthew 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.Nick
All will hear the truth, in the millennium, and it will not be a matter of can not hear, understand, but a matter of will not hear.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Rom. 8:19 speaks of the earth it self, it too is under a curse.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;Mat. 22:10 was the invitation to the wedding feast, given only to the nation Israel at first; when they rejected the invitation, it was then extended to the gentiles also.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
There was one without a wedding garment, which symbolises Christs righteousness, he tried to come in on his own righteousness, and you know what happened to him?
Georg
Hi Georg,
You say
“All will hear the truth, in the millennium, and it will not be a matter of can not hear, understand, but a matter of will not hear.”I realise this is a WWCOG dogma but it has no scriptural substance. The rest are only resurrected at the end of the millenium, the time of the end, when the scripture is fulfilled that it is appointed to men once to die and then the judgement
Hi georg,
Grace and peace came through Jesus Christ and now we are invited to become one with him.
That will not be possible when he rules the earth from Jerusalem.Quote (Tiffany @ Dec. 26 2008,21:14) Take a look at this scripture. Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Why would Jesus say that if there was no chance for them to repent?
Grace is the undeserved forgiveness of our sins for Jesus sake, not for ours, and it can not be earned, that is why it is a gift from God.Georg
Hi Tiffany:Jesus is not talking about resurrecting Sodom and Ghommorah to be judged, they are dead and gone.
Quote 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Jesus said that it would be more tolerable for “the land of Sodom” than for those who had seen his miracles and yet did not repent.
Quote Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. This whole world of sinners is the land of Sodom.
God Bless
Nick
Judging the world does not mean sentencing. Peter said, judgment must first begin with the house of God, that house is the spiritual temple of God, the saints. Judging and sentencing comes after a trial.
The saints were triad for the spiritual kingdom, all the rest will be triad to receive the gift of God, eternal life; that is were Acts 3:23 comes in.
I showed you the scripture that said, Christ will rule on the earth, Rev. 5:10.
There are two resurrections, the first for the spiritual kingdom, the second for the meek who will inherit the earth, they will remain flesh.
You don't have to be a spirit being to live forever, and everlasting life does not mean being immortal.
Rebellious angels, and Satan, can be, and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.942767
If the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not being resurrected, then Jesus did not die for all; I suggest you don't make a liar out of Jesus.
Georg
Hi Georg:
You say:
Quote If the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not being resurrected, then Jesus did not die for all; I suggest you don't make a liar out of Jesus. I gave you scripture to show you what Jesus was saying. I am not saying that Jesus is a liar. I am saying that you have misunderstood what he was saying.
Quote (Tiffany @ Dec. 27 2008,09:05) Nick Judging the world does not mean sentencing. Peter said, judgment must first begin with the house of God, that house is the spiritual temple of God, the saints. Judging and sentencing comes after a trial.
The saints were triad for the spiritual kingdom, all the rest will be triad to receive the gift of God, eternal life; that is were Acts 3:23 comes in.
I showed you the scripture that said, Christ will rule on the earth, Rev. 5:10.
There are two resurrections, the first for the spiritual kingdom, the second for the meek who will inherit the earth, they will remain flesh.
You don't have to be a spirit being to live forever, and everlasting life does not mean being immortal.
Rebellious angels, and Satan, can be, and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.942767
If the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not being resurrected, then Jesus did not die for all; I suggest you don't make a liar out of Jesus.
Georg
Hi Georg,
It may not.
But it may
Mt25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Those of sodom and gomorrah have been judged by death.
It was before the law and there is no sin accounted without Law.[rom]Hi Georg,
You say
“There are two resurrections, the first for the spiritual kingdom, the second for the meek who will inherit the earth, they will remain flesh.”Those of the second resurrection are of the nations resurrected unto judgement as in mt25
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.a gift refused by many.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2008,09:41) Quote (Tiffany @ Dec. 27 2008,09:05) Nick Judging the world does not mean sentencing. Peter said, judgment must first begin with the house of God, that house is the spiritual temple of God, the saints. Judging and sentencing comes after a trial.
The saints were triad for the spiritual kingdom, all the rest will be triad to receive the gift of God, eternal life; that is were Acts 3:23 comes in.
I showed you the scripture that said, Christ will rule on the earth, Rev. 5:10.
There are two resurrections, the first for the spiritual kingdom, the second for the meek who will inherit the earth, they will remain flesh.
You don't have to be a spirit being to live forever, and everlasting life does not mean being immortal.
Rebellious angels, and Satan, can be, and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.942767
If the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not being resurrected, then Jesus did not die for all; I suggest you don't make a liar out of Jesus.
Georg
Hi Georg,
It may not.
But it may
Mt25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Those of sodom and gomorrah have been judged by death.
It was before the law and there is no sin accounted without Law.[rom]
Hi Nick and Georg:Sodom and Gomorrarh has already been judged. Why would God resurrect them to be judged again?
Hi Georg:
My understanding that we as Christians are being judged now, judgment begins at the house of God. The sentence is either guilty or not guilty. Those who are not guilty will still go before the judgment seat of Christ to receive their rewards.
As for Revelation 5:10, those in authority are ruling with Christ on earth now.
Also,
Quote 1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Hi 94,
Here is the ongoing judgement of the sons of God by their Dad.Heb12
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2008,10:13) Hi 94,
Here is the ongoing judgement of the sons of God by their Dad.Heb12
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Yes, what you are saying is true, but then there is:Quote Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
And,
Quote Jhn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.And the exhortation and instruction of correction to the seven churches in the book of Revelation.
And finally,
Quote Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
942767…..Mar 6:11…..And whosoever shall not recieve you, nor hear you, when you depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more (TOLERABLE) for SODOM and GOMORRAH in the (day of Judgment) , than for that city.This shows there will be tolerance for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement.
love and peace……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2008,14:58) 942767…..Mar 6:11…..And whosoever shall not recieve you, nor hear you, when you depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more (TOLERABLE) for SODOM and GOMORRAH in the (day of Judgment) , than for that city.This shows there will be tolerance for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement. love and peace……………gene
Hi Gene:According to the Apostle Peter, those of Sodom and Gomorrah in the OT to which apparently you are referring are ashes and according to Jude they have suffered the vengeance of eternal fire.
Here let me post the scriptures for you and let you argue with them:
Quote 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Quote Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. What say ye, Gene about these scriptures?
942767…..i would be more inclined to believe what Jesus said myself. 94, let think about this a minute, Jude said these suffered the vengeance of eternal fire. First of all there is not word for eternal in the Greek language (it should be aion or age) and indeed those Cities did , they the (CITY'S) ,were completely destroyed those cities will not exist any more they are completely destroyed, but where does it say the People were. If they were why is there a resurrection for them then and they recieve more tolerance then other would.
love and peace to you and yours…………..gene
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