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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2008,02:46) t8…..Nick has constantly put me as well as other down with his condescending words, this is something everyone on this site knows and have experienced with him at times , i not saying he does all the time but he sure does at times, and i think you full well know that. Look none of us should judge one another but when i made that statement that was what he was doing at that time and i brought that to his attention because i see him do that a lot. He infers thing i and other have not said, and reply to our posts with condescending attitudes. You know this to be true yourself T8. AS far as Nick getting people to trust in themselves , let me explain why i said that, when you cause people to become fearful, what are you doing is it not to make people think if they don't correct themselves they will lose their salvation, fear is a powerful force and can cause people to do things out of it, but when they fail they lose Hope, No one is perfected through the operation of fear and trembling . The whole idea of fear causes people to focus on their selfs. If a person is moved by the Love of GOD He would be removing FEAR not casting it into people. In the end fear produces nothing and causes people to look to their self for correcting behavior, rather then GOD. The laws of God were given through the operation of fear Ex 19:20, but it perfected no one, while fear can control behavior it can never perfect it. Thats why we are not under Law (forced compliance) as Paul said. WE are made right through the operation of GRACE and GRACE ALONE. Fear is forced compliance but never changes the heart, only the GRACE of GOD can do that.
But you brethren have (NOT) come to that mountain to (FEAR) as they did. And again, “for we have not received the Spirit of FEAR but of Power and of a Sound Mind. I am against all fear mongering teaching because it causes people to focus on themselves and self overcoming through the medium of fear which never works. If we have a sin we are to go (BOLDLY) to the Throne of GRACE that we might find help in our time of need, for is we confess our sins God is Faithful to forgive us and more, to cleanse us from (ALL) unrighteousness, fear has nothing to do with it. We are (MORE) then OVERCOMER'S through Him who Loved us and gave himself for us.
Fear created unbelief and destroys FAITH. I am not saying we should not respect God and give Him reverence , but that not fear and trembling. Remember t8 , LOVE CAST (OUT) FEAR, Not casts it in.I personally LOVE GOD THE FATHER< A have not one ounce of FEAR of HIM , but always Know i can go to HIM for Help with any of my problems. He has performed great miracles and wonders in my life and I love him with all my heart and soul , I despise fear preachers who portray Him as a GOD of fear. They certainly do not know the LOVING GOD I know.
That how NICK causes people to trust in themselves rather then God………in my opinion.
peace to you and yours t8…………….gene
Hi Gene.
I had not contibuted lately on this thread, but just now read your post. This is exactly how I feel, you have put to words much better than I am able. I find myself frustrated at times with Nick, and I answer in the same mode as he does , which later I feel sorry I did, his tone is such that he seems to insult our point of view, and of course I answer with the same insults.
I think I will have to change my responce to him, it will be difficult, but with Gods help I will try.God Bless, Jerry.
CO,
Grace came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is accessed through Jesus.We need to enter the kingdom through that gate.
The world remains yet under the wrath of God.2Cor.5:18-19. …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.No one, in this age, is under Gods wrath. This is an error in teaching. God has conciliated the WORLD to Himself though His Son and His sacrifice, to teach otherwise, is blasphemy.
Blessings.
CO,
When did this NEW AGE where all men are saved begin?
It seems the gospel opens the door through faith to some.CO,
The book of Corinthians is written to those in Christ.
It is not a new age gospel for all men to be saved.Nick.
Have you added a new “buzzword to your vocabulary? So now it's two non-biblical terms you concocted, [Nicks one eternal gospel for all] and now [Nicks New Age gospel]. Where do you get so many heretical terms from?CO,
Grace helps us EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
His grace is sufficient for us.But we must walk while the light is with us.
CO,
Grace comes through Jesus Christ.
Not unto the idolatrous heathen but unto those called and cleansed.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2008,06:53) CO,
Grace came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is accessed through Jesus.We need to enter the kingdom through that gate.
The world remains yet under the wrath of God.
Nick.
Please show me the scripture that says “the world remains yet under the wrath of God”.CO,
Sadly you have rejected the words of Jesus Christ.
So John the baptist said in Jn3
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.and John the apostle wrote in 1Jn
1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.and in Revelation
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 18 2008,06:47) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2008,02:46) t8…..Nick has constantly put me as well as other down with his condescending words, this is something everyone on this site knows and have experienced with him at times , i not saying he does all the time but he sure does at times, and i think you full well know that. Look none of us should judge one another but when i made that statement that was what he was doing at that time and i brought that to his attention because i see him do that a lot. He infers thing i and other have not said, and reply to our posts with condescending attitudes. You know this to be true yourself T8. AS far as Nick getting people to trust in themselves , let me explain why i said that, when you cause people to become fearful, what are you doing is it not to make people think if they don't correct themselves they will lose their salvation, fear is a powerful force and can cause people to do things out of it, but when they fail they lose Hope, No one is perfected through the operation of fear and trembling . The whole idea of fear causes people to focus on their selfs. If a person is moved by the Love of GOD He would be removing FEAR not casting it into people. In the end fear produces nothing and causes people to look to their self for correcting behavior, rather then GOD. The laws of God were given through the operation of fear Ex 19:20, but it perfected no one, while fear can control behavior it can never perfect it. Thats why we are not under Law (forced compliance) as Paul said. WE are made right through the operation of GRACE and GRACE ALONE. Fear is forced compliance but never changes the heart, only the GRACE of GOD can do that.
But you brethren have (NOT) come to that mountain to (FEAR) as they did. And again, “for we have not received the Spirit of FEAR but of Power and of a Sound Mind. I am against all fear mongering teaching because it causes people to focus on themselves and self overcoming through the medium of fear which never works. If we have a sin we are to go (BOLDLY) to the Throne of GRACE that we might find help in our time of need, for is we confess our sins God is Faithful to forgive us and more, to cleanse us from (ALL) unrighteousness, fear has nothing to do with it. We are (MORE) then OVERCOMER'S through Him who Loved us and gave himself for us.
Fear created unbelief and destroys FAITH. I am not saying we should not respect God and give Him reverence , but that not fear and trembling. Remember t8 , LOVE CAST (OUT) FEAR, Not casts it in.I personally LOVE GOD THE FATHER< A have not one ounce of FEAR of HIM , but always Know i can go to HIM for Help with any of my problems. He has performed great miracles and wonders in my life and I love him with all my heart and soul , I despise fear preachers who portray Him as a GOD of fear. They certainly do not know the LOVING GOD I know.
That how NICK causes people to trust in themselves rather then God………in my opinion.
peace to you and yours t8…………….gene
Hi Gene.
I had not contibuted lately on this thread, but just now read your post. This is exactly how I feel, you have put to words much better than I am able. I find myself frustrated at times with Nick, and I answer in the same mode as he does , which later I feel sorry I did, his tone is such that he seems to insult our point of view, and of course I answer with the same insults.
I think I will have to change my responce to him, it will be difficult, but with Gods help I will try.God Bless, Jerry.
CO,
Indeed we insult and oppose false doctrines daily.
They are an insult to our God.So do not take it personally, it is false teaching we hate.
Hi,
2Peter 1 urges us to seek seeking grace.Grace is of the Spirit that comes through as the sap of the vine, Jesus Christ.
The Spirit is the Spirit of grace and some resist and even insult that Spirit.Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2008,12:48) Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 18 2008,06:47) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2008,02:46) t8…..Nick has constantly put me as well as other down with his condescending words, this is something everyone on this site knows and have experienced with him at times , i not saying he does all the time but he sure does at times, and i think you full well know that. Look none of us should judge one another but when i made that statement that was what he was doing at that time and i brought that to his attention because i see him do that a lot. He infers thing i and other have not said, and reply to our posts with condescending attitudes. You know this to be true yourself T8. AS far as Nick getting people to trust in themselves , let me explain why i said that, when you cause people to become fearful, what are you doing is it not to make people think if they don't correct themselves they will lose their salvation, fear is a powerful force and can cause people to do things out of it, but when they fail they lose Hope, No one is perfected through the operation of fear and trembling . The whole idea of fear causes people to focus on their selfs. If a person is moved by the Love of GOD He would be removing FEAR not casting it into people. In the end fear produces nothing and causes people to look to their self for correcting behavior, rather then GOD. The laws of God were given through the operation of fear Ex 19:20, but it perfected no one, while fear can control behavior it can never perfect it. Thats why we are not under Law (forced compliance) as Paul said. WE are made right through the operation of GRACE and GRACE ALONE. Fear is forced compliance but never changes the heart, only the GRACE of GOD can do that.
But you brethren have (NOT) come to that mountain to (FEAR) as they did. And again, “for we have not received the Spirit of FEAR but of Power and of a Sound Mind. I am against all fear mongering teaching because it causes people to focus on themselves and self overcoming through the medium of fear which never works. If we have a sin we are to go (BOLDLY) to the Throne of GRACE that we might find help in our time of need, for is we confess our sins God is Faithful to forgive us and more, to cleanse us from (ALL) unrighteousness, fear has nothing to do with it. We are (MORE) then OVERCOMER'S through Him who Loved us and gave himself for us.
Fear created unbelief and destroys FAITH. I am not saying we should not respect God and give Him reverence , but that not fear and trembling. Remember t8 , LOVE CAST (OUT) FEAR, Not casts it in.I personally LOVE GOD THE FATHER< A have not one ounce of FEAR of HIM , but always Know i can go to HIM for Help with any of my problems. He has performed great miracles and wonders in my life and I love him with all my heart and soul , I despise fear preachers who portray Him as a GOD of fear. They certainly do not know the LOVING GOD I know.
That how NICK causes people to trust in themselves rather then God………in my opinion.
peace to you and yours t8…………….gene
Hi Gene.
I had not contibuted lately on this thread, but just now read your post. This is exactly how I feel, you have put to words much better than I am able. I find myself frustrated at times with Nick, and I answer in the same mode as he does , which later I feel sorry I did, his tone is such that he seems to insult our point of view, and of course I answer with the same insults.
I think I will have to change my responce to him, it will be difficult, but with Gods help I will try.God Bless, Jerry.
CO,
Indeed we insult and oppose false doctrines daily.
They are an insult to our God.So do not take it personally, it is false teaching we hate.
Who determines “false doctrines”?Hi not3,
Scripture is truth.
But it must be read in context which CO cannot grasp.
She wants the teachings of Paul to the saved to be another gospel for the heathen.Scripture is truth. So all who read scripture have truth, then.
Oh, but wait, you have to interpret it correctly…….you have to read it in appropriate context.
Who determines who is reading scripture in the appropriate context? Do we have Context-Police?
The sarcasm here is a bit rich, I admit, but I'm trying to get you to see that you believe you are the only one with the right answers. It's just not so, I'm afraid. What makes you think you know more than CO? Has the Spirit told you?
I suppose you better have confidence that you are right…..otherwise the insults that you heap on to other's are certainly uncalled for (all in the name of opposing false doctrines – love it).
Hi Not3in1.
Thanks for those wise words. I'm afraid that I too, have at times rebuffed Nick when he insults my interpertation of scripture. I know I shouldn't, but he does get me annoyed at times. I'll make a better effort to control my impulses.God Bless.
Nick…..I have also expressed these same things to you, your condescending attitude does no service to any of us, please try to be more considerate to others, were all learning and trying to grow here. No one has all understanding of everything except GOD the Father. Try to be more consideration of others Brother. Especially sense your the Monitor Here.
said in love brother……………………….gene
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