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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,00:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2013,23:14) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:01) Open you eyes, wakeup! “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Wakeup, are you suggesting you get no light until the resurrection?
EDJ.The spirit that is in you *SHALL*quicken you in the resurrection.
If there is no light in you ;you will not be resurrected.
So,first you need to have that light in you.
wakeup.
…And the meaning of this verse… ?Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
EDJ.What about this; Let the dead bury their dead.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,00:15)
…And the meaning of this verse… ?Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
EDJ.What about this; Let the dead bury their dead.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Is Eph.5:14 talking about about “the first resurrection”, yes or no?
Note: I'm using your term inside the quotation marks.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,00:15)
…And the meaning of this verse… ?Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
EDJ.What about this; Let the dead bury their dead.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Is Eph.5:14 talking about about “the first resurrection”, yes or no?
Note: I'm using your term inside the quotation marks.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Not correct.
All the sleepers are the dead.
Spiritually dead.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:09)
Hi Wakeup,Is Eph.5:14 talking about about “the first resurrection”, yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
EDj.Not correct.
All the sleepers are the dead.
Spiritually dead.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Excellent, we are making progress then!
Then why don't you apply that definition to
this verse where the same Greek word is used?“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1Thess.4:16-17 )“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,02:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:09)
Hi Wakeup,Is Eph.5:14 talking about about “the first resurrection”, yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
EDj.Not correct.
All the sleepers are the dead.
Spiritually dead.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Excellent, we are making progress then!
Then why don't you apply that definition to
this verse where the same Greek word is used?“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1Thess.4:16-17 )“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The dead physically will rise first and that are alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye.
The spiritually dead will not be resurrected.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:34) You falsely tie Jesus second coming (which happened on “Pentecost”) to the believers resurrection. Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:16) EDJ. The scriptures say that Jesus is coming to resurrect his saints.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,No it doesn't, it instead says Jesus will resurrect us on “the last day“.
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me
I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is
the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:38-40)Do you believe Jesus second coming will be on “The Last Day”? (<– please answer)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Yes; the last day
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,No thousand years afterwards then, huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,02:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:39) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:34) You falsely tie Jesus second coming (which happened on “Pentecost”) to the believers resurrection. Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:16) EDJ. The scriptures say that Jesus is coming to resurrect his saints.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,No it doesn't, it instead says Jesus will resurrect us on “the last day“.
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me
I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is
the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:38-40)Do you believe Jesus second coming will be on “The Last Day”? (<– please answer)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Yes; the last day
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,No thousand years afterwards then, huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Learn young man.
THIS IS GODS WAR. *NOT JESUS*
Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and *PROPHESY AGAINST HIM*,
GOG THE PRINCE OF MESHECH AND TUBAL.GOG IS SATAN AFTER HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE 1000YRS OF PRISON.
Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O GOG THE CHIEF PRINCE of Meshech and Tubal:
Ezekiel 38:4 And I WILL TURN THEE BACK, and put hooks into thy jaws, and *I WILL* BRING THEE FORTH, and all THINE ARMIE, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
HIS FOLLOWERSEzekiel 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
ALL HIS FOLLOWERS.THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE,BUT STILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE LORD.Ezekiel 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Ezekiel 38:8 *AFTER MANY DAYS* thou shalt be visited: in *THE LATTER YEARS* thou shalt come into the land that is *BROUGHT BACK* FROM THE SWORD, and is gathered out of many people, AGAINST THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL, which have been always waste: BUT IT IS BROUGHT FORTH OUT OF THE NATIONS, AND THEY SHALL DWELL SAFELY ALL OF THEM.
THIS IS THE KINGDOM; HE WILL SURROUND THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.(REV.20:9).
Ezekiel 38:9 Thou SHALT ascend and come like a storm, thou SHALT be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of UNWALLED VILAGES; I will go to THEM THAT ARE AT **REST**, THAT DWELL SAFELY, all of them dwelling WITHOUT WALLS, and having neither bars nor gates,
THE 1000YRS REST.THE KINGDOM: NOT NOW. THERE IS NO REST NOW.Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that *ARE NOW* inhabited, and upon the PEOPLE THAT ARE GATHERED OUT OF THE NATIONS, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
THE KINGDOM,CONSISTING OF MANY PEOPLE,THAT HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY THE SAINTS.Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and SAY UNTO GOG, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day WHEN my people of ISRAEL DWELLETH SAFELY, shalt THOU NOT KNOW IT?
BECAUSE HE WAS IN PRISON ALL THAT TIME.Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against MY PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, as a cloud to cover the land; IT SHALL BE *IN LATTER DAYS*, and *I WILL* bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that *my fury* shall come up in my face.
Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in THAT DAY there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Ezekiel 38:21 And *I will* call for a sword AGAINST HIM throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
THEY WILL KILL EACH OTHER .Ezekiel 38:22 And *I WILL* plead against him with pestilence and WITH BLOOD; and *I WILL* RAIN upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing RAIN, and great HAILSTONES, FIRE, and BRIMSTONE.
GOD HIMSELF WILL DO IT. *JESUS NOT MENTIONED*.Ezekiel 38:23 Thus *WILL I MAGNIFY MY SELF*, and sanctify *MY SELF*; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
SATAN WILL BE GIVEN A NEW NAME AFTER HIS RELEASE FROM PRISON. GOG THE CHIEF PRINCE.
THIS IS THE BATTLE OF GOG, AGAINST GOD;NOT JESUS.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
So you're saying that “the LAST day” really isn't “the LAST day” then right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,05:28) Hi Mike, Phil 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus
Christ:This is talking about the resurrection, not Jesus second coming
(which occurred in spirit form on “Pentecost”).
Ed,Why is Paul “looking for” his Savior from heaven if he had already come?
On second thought, nevermind. You will just keep purposely twisting clear scriptures to fit your weird claim that Jesus' second coming has already occurred.
But like I pointed out in another post, we are all explicitely warned by Paul against people like you, who say the second coming has already occured.
It seems that all of us here heed that warning, Ed, and that you are on your own with this deception.
Therefore, there's really no need for me to waste any more of my time on it.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,07:10) Hi Wakeup, So you're saying that “the LAST day” really isn't “the LAST day” then right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.The second coming will be at the last day.
The last day of babylon the great.
There will be many peaceful days ahead.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,02:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2013,01:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,01:09)
Hi Wakeup,Is Eph.5:14 talking about about “the first resurrection”, yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
EDj.Not correct.
All the sleepers are the dead.
Spiritually dead.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Excellent, we are making progress then!
Then why don't you apply that definition to
this verse where the same Greek word is used?“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1Thess.4:16-17 )“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The dead physically will rise first and that are alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye.
The spiritually dead will not be resurrected.
wakeup.
The bible talks about two resurrections.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2013,03:50) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,05:28) Hi Mike, Phil 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus
Christ:This is talking about the resurrection, not Jesus second coming
(which occurred in spirit form on “Pentecost”).
Ed,Why is Paul “looking for” his Savior from heaven if he had already come?
On second thought, nevermind. You will just keep purposely twisting clear scriptures to fit your weird claim that Jesus' second coming has already occurred.
But like I pointed out in another post, we are all explicitely warned by Paul against people like you, who say the second coming has already occured.
It seems that all of us here heed that warning, Ed, and that you are on your own with this deception.
Therefore, there's really no need for me to waste any more of my time on it.
Hi Mike,If you don't want to reason together, it's OK, that is your choice. (ref. Isaiah 1:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,20:42) EDJ. This is because you are not straight with your answers.
You are all over the place.wakeup.
Huh?Ed,
What Wakeup is saying is that you seem to purposely misuse scriptural words, and force them to align with your doctrine. A good example is how you use Hebrews 7:28 to force your view that Jesus was created by the Word of God – when it is SO CLEAR from the context that Paul is talking about Jesus being appointed to High Priest by an oath God had spoken.
It is the same in this case. You are playing with scriptural words and forcing them to teach what you want them to teach – seemingly oblivious to the clear fact that those words AREN'T teaching what you claim they are.
Paul CLEARLY warned the disciples against believing people who claimed that Jesus had already come. He warned them way AFTER Pentecost, Ed. If that is not enough for you to get yourself back on track in this matter, then why should I waste more time on it?
It would be one thing if MANY people here believed like you do. But it seems that you are the only one. And since no one else is being misled by your twistings of scripture, then you aren't really doing any harm to God's people. And in that case, it just becomes an exercise in futility for the rest of us, trying to convince the little boy that the grass is green and the sky is blue, when he is dead set that the opposite is the case.
That's not “reasoning together”, Ed. That's just arguing with a little kid who is hell-bent on not giving up his flawed view. Who has time for that?
I love you, and agree with you on many scriptural issues. But you are SO wrong on this Pentecost thing that you can't even see straight. There are so many scriptures in which the writers speak about WAITING FOR the return of Jesus. You ignore those scriptures and insist he had already come again at Pentecost.
You are dead wrong on this one, Ed. Why should the rest of us waste time fighting against your stubborness?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2013,02:23) Ed, What Wakeup is saying is that you seem to purposely misuse scriptural words, and force them to align with your doctrine. A good example is how you use Hebrews 7:28 to force your view that Jesus was created by the Word of God – when it is SO CLEAR from the context that Paul is talking about Jesus being appointed to High Priest by an oath God had spoken.
Hi Mike,The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)I believe the bible is written on more than one level, if you choose
not to believe that premise, that is your choice to make.But here is the oath to which I refer:
The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive,
and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us). (Isaiah 7:14)
God with us, because Jesus was baptized with “The Word” at Jordan. (the meaning of John 1:14)And yes, Jesus was made a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2013,02:23) Ed, What Wakeup is saying is that you seem to purposely misuse scriptural words, and force them to align with your doctrine. A good example is how you use Hebrews 7:28 to force your view that Jesus was created by the Word of God – when it is SO CLEAR from the context that Paul is talking about Jesus being appointed to High Priest by an oath God had spoken.
It is the same in this case. You are playing with scriptural words and forcing them to teach what you want them to teach – seemingly oblivious to the clear fact that those words AREN'T teaching what you claim they are.
Paul CLEARLY warned the disciples against believing people who claimed that Jesus had already come. He warned them way AFTER Pentecost, Ed. If that is not enough for you to get yourself back on track in this matter, then why should I waste more time on it?
It would be one thing if MANY people here believed like you do. But it seems that you are the only one. And since no one else is being misled by your twistings of scripture, then you aren't really doing any harm to God's people. And in that case, it just becomes an exercise in futility for the rest of us, trying to convince the little boy that the grass is green and the sky is blue, when he is dead set that the opposite is the case.
That's not “reasoning together”, Ed. That's just arguing with a little kid who is hell-bent on not giving up his flawed view. Who has time for that?
I love you, and agree with you on many scriptural issues. But you are SO wrong on this Pentecost thing that you can't even see straight. There are so many scriptures in which the writers speak about WAITING FOR the return of Jesus. You ignore those scriptures and insist he had already come again at Pentecost.
You are dead wrong on this one, Ed. Why should the rest of us waste time fighting against your stubborness?
Hi Mike,Should you not be willing to explore the possibility I may be right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:46) And yes, Jesus was made a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
That's right, Ed. Jesus was appointed as High Priest, not by the Law, or by legal regulation, or as a descendent of Levi…………. but by a sworn oath (word) of God himself.Heb 7 speaks about Jesus being made PRIEST by a sworn oath (word) from God. It does NOT speak about Jesus being CREATED by “the Word of God”.
You purposely TWIST this scripture in an effort to FORCE it to teach your view. That is wrong, Ed. And that is what Wakeup and I are pointing out to you.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,02:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2013,02:23) Ed, What Wakeup is saying is that you seem to purposely misuse scriptural words, and force them to align with your doctrine. A good example is how you use Hebrews 7:28 to force your view that Jesus was created by the Word of God – when it is SO CLEAR from the context that Paul is talking about Jesus being appointed to High Priest by an oath God had spoken.
Hi Mike,The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)I believe the bible is written on more than one level, if you choose
not to believe that premise, that is your choice to make.But here is the oath to which I refer:
The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive,
and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us). (Isaiah 7:14)
God with us, because Jesus was baptized with “The Word” at Jordan. (the meaning of John 1:14)And yes, Jesus was made a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent,
Thou (Jesus) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:49) Hi Mike, Should you not be willing to explore the possibility I may be right?
Ed: Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost.Paul: Way AFTER Pentecost, and AFTER we have all received the Holy Spirit, we STILL await the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Sorry Ed, but there is NO possibility that you are right on this one.
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