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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,01:34) Hi Devolution, When I was baptized with God's Holy Spirit. (see Romans 14:17)
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Hebrews 9:28 >So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
How on earth did you see Christ the 2nd time when you received the Holy Spirit?
You certainly didn't “see” Him when you were in unbelief, because one can not “see” Christ, metaphorically speaking, without first having that Holy Spirit to understand Christ.
So when we receive the Holy Spirit, we get to “see” Christ for the FIRST TIME, metaphorically speaking.
So then, you have only “seen” Him ONCE…metaphorically speaking.
So like I said, WHEN did Christ appear to you the 2nd time?
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2013,14:38) T8 the answer to your question is NO,
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.first I will bring to your attention that “GOG AND MAGOG ” does not yet exist because this happen after the 1000 years of Christ reign and after the first resurrection ,
secondly all those nations that are been deceived are from the second resurrection and so are under the judgment of Christ .
J42THIS IS ALSO YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
so GOG and Magog are Satan and all those who have been deceive by him but will also die by the hand of God ,because of their sin against the holy spirit
terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote first I will bring to your attention that “GOG AND MAGOG ” does not yet exist because this happen after the 1000 years of Christ reign and after the first resurrection ,
CorrectQuote secondly all those nations that are been deceived are from the second resurrection and so are under the judgment of Christ .
PIERRENot correct. At the 2nd resurrection, the devil and the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire. There are no more chances for them. They are gone. They do not get given a second chance. So no more evil ever again. This is the second death.
This happens AFTER GOG AND MAGOG DESTROYED. JUDGEMENT DAY.
The White throne judgement is the judgement of all the dead.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And dead and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fireThe wicked do not get another chance Pierre. They are gone. Read the scriptures. They cannot be brought back to continue evil as they are thrown into the lake of fire. The ones spared do not turn evil either, but they are changed to spirit.
Now heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven. The heavens and the earth will be melted. No flesh can survive. They are already gone forever.
Quote J42 THIS IS ALSO YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
so GOG and Magog are Satan and all those who have been deceive by him but will also die by the hand of God ,because of their sin against the holy spirit
No Pierre. You have to have the holy spirit to sin against it. Satan and his angels sinned against the holy spirit because they were with God in the begginning. They knew the truth, and they taught otherwise. They will never be forgiven.Quote Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. Your bible version in my opinion makes it sound like Gog and Magog are in high numbers like the sand of the seashore.
but the KJV shows us that Gog and Magog are going into battle against those who are the number as the sand of the sea. This is those who dwell in the holy camp. Those who dwell in the kingdom on earth. The promise made to Abraham concerning his seed. The Israelites that have multiplied for a thousand years. This is them. Their numbers are high now. The promise fulfilled, and not one of them will be lost. They are flesh and will be raised in the 2nd resurrection (White throne judgement)
KJV Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,19:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world.
Do you live in Gog or Magog?
I live in Gog and Magog. So do you.What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,07:13) The reward is the resurrection in a glorified body.
Philippians 3
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.Ed,
The first bolded part explains that, at the time Paul wrote these words, the believers were STILL awaiting the second coming of Jesus Christ – even though many of them, including Paul himself, had already received the Holy Spirit. This should tell you that receiving the Holy Spirit is NOT the second coming of Christ.
The second bolded part explains the reward that Paul was STILL awaiting – even though he had already received the Holy Spirit. That should tell you that the Holy Spirit, while being a wonderful gift from God, is NOT the reward we await. The reward, instead, is that our lowly earthly bodies be transformed into beautiful, glorious, incorruptable spirit bodies, like the one Jesus now has.
peace and love to you brother,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2013,12:30) Ed, The first bolded part explains that, at the time Paul wrote these words, the believers were STILL awaiting the second coming of Jesus Christ – even though many of them, including Paul himself, had already received the Holy Spirit. This should tell you that receiving the Holy Spirit is NOT the second coming of Christ.
The second bolded part explains the reward that Paul was STILL awaiting – even though he had already received the Holy Spirit. That should tell you that the Holy Spirit, while being a wonderful gift from God, is NOT the reward we await. The reward, instead, is that our lowly earthly bodies be transformed into beautiful, glorious, incorruptable spirit bodies, like the one Jesus now has.
peace and love to you brother,
mike
Mike, I agree with you, on this point.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 11 2013,05:06) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2013,09:09) Quote first I will bring to your attention that “GOG AND MAGOG ” does not yet exist because this happen after the 1000 years of Christ reign and after the first resurrection ,
CorrectQuote secondly all those nations that are been deceived are from the second resurrection and so are under the judgment of Christ .
PIERRENot correct. At the 2nd resurrection, the devil and the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire. There are no more chances for them. They are gone. They do not get given a second chance. So no more evil ever again. This is the second death.
This happens AFTER GOG AND MAGOG DESTROYED. JUDGEMENT DAY.
The White throne judgement is the judgement of all the dead.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And dead and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fireThe wicked do not get another chance Pierre. They are gone. Read the scriptures. They cannot be brought back to continue evil as they are thrown into the lake of fire. The ones spared do not turn evil either, but they are changed to spirit.
Now heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven. The heavens and the earth will be melted. No flesh can survive. They are already gone forever.
Quote J42 THIS IS ALSO YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
so GOG and Magog are Satan and all those who have been deceive by him but will also die by the hand of God ,because of their sin against the holy spirit
No Pierre. You have to have the holy spirit to sin against it. Satan and his angels sinned against the holy spirit because they were with God in the begginning. They knew the truth, and they taught otherwise. They will never be forgiven.Quote Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. Your bible version in my opinion makes it sound like Gog and Magog are in high numbers like the sand of the seashore.
but the KJV shows us that Gog and Magog are going into battle against those who are the number as the sand of the sea. This is those who dwell in the holy camp. Those who dwell in the kingdom on earth. The promise made to Abraham concerning his seed. The Israelites that have multiplied for a thousand years. This is them. Their numbers are high now. The promise fulfilled, and not one of them will be lost. They are flesh and will be raised in the 2nd resurrection (White throne judgement)
KJV Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
j42Quote Not correct. At the 2nd resurrection, the devil and the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire. There are no more chances for them. They are gone. They do not get given a second chance. So no more evil ever again. This is the second death. MT 10:15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.
MT 11:23 “And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.
MT 11:24 “Nevertheless I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”LK 10:12 “I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city
the second resurrection is not a second chance ,it just your time if you are not called into the first resurrection ,and who says it going to be easy
j42
Rev 20:14 And dead and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of firehow much time you think is there between those two events ; top and bottom
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,05:19) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,19:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world.
Do you live in Gog or Magog?
I live in Gog and Magog. So do you.What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
2beeRev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
I do not agree with you because scriptures do not say that GOGAND MAGOG IS EQUAL TO THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH ,
I UNDERSTAND IT MORE LIKE THIS ;;;THAT SATAN HIS RELEASED AND HE GOES TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS THAT ARE SCATHERED THROUGH THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH ,AND THOSE WHO ARE DECIEVED ARE CALLED GOG AND MAGOG ,;;BECAUSE WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING THE SAINTS AND THE RIGHTEOUS FROM THE FIRST RESURRECTION ARE RIGHT THERE ON EARTH ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE TEACH THEM BUT THE DECIEVED ONES WILL GO AGAINST THE SAINTS CAMP
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 10 2013,17:36) Mike, I agree with you, on this point.
You SHOULD agree with me on all points, 2B, because I'm never wrong.
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2013,06:53) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 10 2013,17:36) Mike, I agree with you, on this point.
You SHOULD agree with me on all points, 2B, because I'm never wrong.I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
I LIKE THAT ONE Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,13:19) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,19:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world.
Do you live in Gog or Magog?
I live in Gog and Magog. So do you.What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
Usually you live in one place. But you live in both.I come from New Zealand. Is that God or Magog?
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2013,13:31) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,05:19) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,19:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world.
Do you live in Gog or Magog?
I live in Gog and Magog. So do you.What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
2beeRev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
I do not agree with you because scriptures do not say that GOGAND MAGOG IS EQUAL TO THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH ,
I UNDERSTAND IT MORE LIKE THIS ;;;THAT SATAN HIS RELEASED AND HE GOES TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS THAT ARE SCATHERED THROUGH THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH ,AND THOSE WHO ARE DECIEVED ARE CALLED GOG AND MAGOG ,;;BECAUSE WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING THE SAINTS AND THE RIGHTEOUS FROM THE FIRST RESURRECTION ARE RIGHT THERE ON EARTH ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE TEACH THEM BUT THE DECIEVED ONES WILL GO AGAINST THE SAINTS CAMP
Hi T,To a point I agree with you and to a point I do not.
I would change your wording to say:
“I understand it more like this; that Satan is released and he goes to deceive the nations that are scattered through the four corners of the Earth, called Gog and Magog, and those who are deceived, because while this is happening the Saints
and the righteousfrom the first resurrection are right there on Earth,because they have teach thembecause the heavenly Jerusalem has come down from Heaven with the Saints but the deceived ones will go against the Saints camp, while the righteous do not “go out”, they do not get involved in the battle. Then fire comes from the sky and devours them. But the righteous will remain.“Like a puzzle, I am still trying to 'put it together'.
Quote What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
I have heard that when you place a perfect circle over the circumference of the Earth, that 4 bits stick out because the Earth is not a perfect circle and is flattened at the poles.Also, the Book of Enoch talks about the 4 winds. It could be where they originate.
Enlighten me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2013,13:53) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 10 2013,17:36) Mike, I agree with you, on this point.
You SHOULD agree with me on all points, 2B, because I'm never wrong.I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
Ha ha me too!Quote (t8 @ Jan. 11 2013,14:33) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,13:19) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,19:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world.
Do you live in Gog or Magog?
I live in Gog and Magog. So do you.What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
Usually you live in one place. But you live in both.I come from New Zealand. Is that God or Magog?
It is part of 'God and Magog'What are the four corners of the Earth?
(Earth doesn't have corners).2bee
Quote Hi T, To a point I agree with you and to a point I do not.
I would change your wording to say:
“I understand it more like this; that Satan is released and he goes to deceive the nations that are scattered through the four corners of the Earth, called Gog and Magog, and those who are deceived, because while this is happening the Saints and the righteous from the first resurrection are right there on Earth, because they have teach them because the heavenly Jerusalem has come down from Heaven with the Saints but the deceived ones will go against the Saints camp, while the righteous do not “go out”, they do not get involved in the battle. Then fire comes from the sky and devours them. But the righteous will remain.”
Like a puzzle, I am still trying to 'put it together'.
you are wrong to say that the heavenly Jerusalem would be on earth read this scriptures ;;;
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.DO YOU SEE IN VERSE 1 THAT THE OLD EARTH AND HEAVEN ARE GONE ;AND ONLY THEN THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM COMES DOWN ;
AND YOU ARE NOT RIGHT TO SAY ;THAT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH ARE = TO GOG AND MAGOG ;(this is your interpretation)
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
there is a good reason why John says those two names ;
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 11 2013,14:35) Quote What is the “Four corners of the Earth” t8?
I have heard that when you place a perfect circle over the circumference of the Earth, that 4 bits stick out because the Earth is not a perfect circle and is flattened at the poles.Also, the Book of Enoch talks about the 4 winds. It could be where they originate.
Enlighten me.
Compass points.
Meaning all parts of the Earth.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2013,14:52) you are wrong to say that the heavenly Jerusalem would be on earth read this scriptures ;;;
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.DO YOU SEE IN VERSE 1 THAT THE OLD EARTH AND HEAVEN ARE GONE ;AND ONLY THEN THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM COMES DOWN
Yes T, (it appears) you are right. I have more bible study to do (which I will do)
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