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Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2009,11:10) Hi Tim: Is that what God means that “thou shall do not murder”?
The distinction between kill and murder is a pretty thin argument.
If someone threw open an unsuspecting persons tent and chopped off their head, it is murder, no matter who ordered it.If they did it to three thousand unsuspecting people, it is 3,000 counts of first degree murder.
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2009,13:25) Hi Tim4,
Where does it say those to be killed were as a sacrifice?
God's ways are not ours.
Get over it
Hi Nick,
I never said that the 3,000 that moses ordered killed were a sacrifice. I said that Jephthas daughter, and Jesus were.Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2009,13:25) Hi Tim4, God's ways are not ours.
Get over it
Hi Nick,Thank Goodness His ways are not ours.
Apparently God gave me, and many other humans, more compassion than He Himself has, if the bible is true.
It is difficult to “get over it”.I do not know how brain dead I must become in order to see love, mercy, compassion or justice in these actions.
Tim
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 23 2009,14:06) I recognize God's voice when I suddenly get a thought that seems to come “out of left field” so to say. In other words, it isn't in the flow of my natural thoughts although it might be an answer to my natural thoughts. I usually think “wow, I wouldn't have thought of that” after I receive His direction. At other times I will be thinking of something kinda out of the blue and after a little while, someone will suggest I do this or that which will be the exact thing that I had been thinking about earlier. I believe that the Lord goes before us in that way sometimes.
I test those thoughts to see if they would line up with scripture and the character of God. Condemming thoughts are not from Him. We are to take every thought captive.
LightenupThey say truth is stranger than fiction, and it is so often the case that we could not make up some of the discoveries we make, or even some of the predicaments our fellow humans get themselves into.
Now consider the nature of the Judeo-christian scripture. The OT is chiefly composed of tedious genealogies, unremarkable 'prophecy' that is waiting for self-fulfilment and the odd smiting that adds up to maybe 32,000,000 humans slaughtered. The NT is full of Paul and the Johns spinning their dull conservative philosophy and generally telling people to do things their way or pleading to be taken seriously, on pain of damnation. There is actually nothing in there that is really 'left-field', no commentary or philosophy that strikes one as particularly insightful, showing any novel way of thinking that is outside the standard daily transactions of the mass population. It is dull, not-strange fiction.
So when you think “wow, I wouldn't have thought of that” why would you think to compare that to dull, predictable scripture? The two are incompatible.
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2009,22:32) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 25 2009,15:10) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2009,21:36) Hi Tim: I found Jephthah. He made a vow and he kept the vow. Does this mean that the LORD approved of this?
Jdg 11:30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD and said, “If you will give the Ammonites into my hand,
Jdg 11:31 then whatever comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites shall be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.”
Jdg 11:32 So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD gave them into his hand.Quite obvious.
Hi Kejohn:How do you know that the LORD would have not given him victory over his enemies without his vow?
If I offer to punch someone in the nose for $10 and you give me $10, are you not agreeing with the terms?Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2009,12:54) Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 25 2009,12:34) Bro 94, Murder is murder.
Taking another life even for eye-for-an-eye is still murder.Justified murder?
Sanctified murder?Are these acceptable?
Hi Mandy:Murder is murder and He said thou shalt do not murder, but he also said that if you violate the law you will be punished. And so, if someone wants to do the crime with that knowledge, then there is such a thing as justice.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Justified murder, then.But the tablets didn't read, “Thou shalt not murder unless it is justified by God.”
How confusing for the children of God. They are bound to what is written in stone, but they also have to go against what is written in stone. It sounds to me like they were damned it they did, and damned if they didn't. Hmmmm?
Hi,
Jas1
5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.6But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
7For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2009,12:59) Hi,
Jas1
5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.6But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
7For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
Hi Nick,
That's appropriate here and now…a timely word. Thanks Nick.
LUQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,04:59) Hi,
Jas1
5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.6But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
7For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
A timely word, indeed.However, it also appears as a cop-out.
There's two different views for ya.
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 25 2009,07:10) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 23 2009,14:06) I recognize God's voice when I suddenly get a thought that seems to come “out of left field” so to say. In other words, it isn't in the flow of my natural thoughts although it might be an answer to my natural thoughts. I usually think “wow, I wouldn't have thought of that” after I receive His direction. At other times I will be thinking of something kinda out of the blue and after a little while, someone will suggest I do this or that which will be the exact thing that I had been thinking about earlier. I believe that the Lord goes before us in that way sometimes.
I test those thoughts to see if they would line up with scripture and the character of God. Condemming thoughts are not from Him. We are to take every thought captive.
LightenupThey say truth is stranger than fiction, and it is so often the case that we could not make up some of the discoveries we make, or even some of the predicaments our fellow humans get themselves into.
Now consider the nature of the Judeo-christian scripture. The OT is chiefly composed of tedious genealogies, unremarkable 'prophecy' that is waiting for self-fulfilment and the odd smiting that adds up to maybe 32,000,000 humans slaughtered. The NT is full of Paul and the Johns spinning their dull conservative philosophy and generally telling people to do things their way or pleading to be taken seriously, on pain of damnation. There is actually nothing in there that is really 'left-field', no commentary or philosophy that strikes one as particularly insightful, showing any novel way of thinking that is outside the standard daily transactions of the mass population. It is dull, not-strange fiction.
So when you think “wow, I wouldn't have thought of that” why would you think to compare that to dull, predictable scripture? The two are incompatible.
Stuart
To some the Bible is a book that has no life and is carelessly handled and respected. To others it is this:Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.
NASUIf you think that scripture isn't powerful you ought to read through the posts here and see how they can convict the reader which often leads either to humility and life or nasty responses from the inner darkness even among so called believers. It really is like a sword that can illuminate the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
LU
Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 25 2009,22:35) HI 94,
If burning his daughter for a sacrifice was something that God did not approve of, could He
not have withheld the victory, allowed Jephthah to fail? This would have taught Jephthah a lesson.
Why must we act as if God had absolutely no common sense?Tim
Hi Tim:Yes, perhaps God could have withheld the victory and this would have taught Jephthah not to vow, but how would he have known that it was because of this that God had not given him the victory. Because the vow was that if God gave him the victory, the vow would be executed. I don't know why God allowed this. Perhaps the victory is of ultimate importance to God's intended purpose. I don't know why.
It should have taught Jephthah not to make a vow at least not in the way that he made this one.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (kejonn @ Feb. 26 2009,00:28) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2009,22:32) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 25 2009,15:10) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2009,21:36) Hi Tim: I found Jephthah. He made a vow and he kept the vow. Does this mean that the LORD approved of this?
Jdg 11:30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD and said, “If you will give the Ammonites into my hand,
Jdg 11:31 then whatever comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites shall be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.”
Jdg 11:32 So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD gave them into his hand.Quite obvious.
Hi Kejohn:How do you know that the LORD would have not given him victory over his enemies without his vow?
If I offer to punch someone in the nose for $10 and you give me $10, are you not agreeing with the terms?
Hi Kejohh:Yes, but I am not God, and as I answered Tim, perhaps the victory over his enemies was of ultimate importance to God's intended purpose.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2009,18:33) Yes, perhaps God could have withheld the victory and this would have taught Jephthah not to vow, but how would he have known that it was because of this that God had not given him the victory. Back in the OT, Jehovah seemed to be quite communicative with his people. He couldn't have asked?
Quote Because the vow was that if God gave him the victory, the vow would be executed. I don't know why God allowed this. Perhaps the victory is of ultimate importance to God's intended purpose. I don't know why. But in the meantime he (Jehovah) also accepted the terms of the vow: human sacrifice.
Quote It should have taught Jephthah not to make a vow at least not in the way that he made this one.
I'm sure it did, but that didn't get his daughter back.Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 26 2009,14:26) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2009,18:33) Yes, perhaps God could have withheld the victory and this would have taught Jephthah not to vow, but how would he have known that it was because of this that God had not given him the victory. Back in the OT, Jehovah seemed to be quite communicative with his people. He couldn't have asked?
Quote Because the vow was that if God gave him the victory, the vow would be executed. I don't know why God allowed this. Perhaps the victory is of ultimate importance to God's intended purpose. I don't know why. But in the meantime he (Jehovah) also accepted the terms of the vow: human sacrifice.
Quote It should have taught Jephthah not to make a vow at least not in the way that he made this one.
I'm sure it did, but that didn't get his daughter back.
Hi Kejohn:There is a resurrection from the dead for those of the OT who are saved, and perhaps, Jephthah's daughter was saved, and if so, he learned the lesson not to vow in this manner, and he will have his daughter again if he also is saved in the resurrection.
But because God allowed it does not mean that he has accepted the terms of Jephthah's vow.
Frankly, I don't know why God allowed it, and so whatever you want to believe about it. He does not tell us why.
Love in Christ,
MartyKejonn…….It really doesn't say Jephthah's Daughter was burned up, it Just indicates she remained a virgin . A person could be dedicated to GOD, without burning them up. I believe She was offered up to God with a bunt Sacrifice and she remained a virgin and could not give Jephthah any grandchildren. This is the way i see it , i could be wrong, Vows are a very serious thing with GOD. But even then you couldn't blame God for something Jephthah did could you. IMO
love and peace to you and yours……………………………gene
Hi all!
Men have sought to discredit, condemn and even destroy by fire the scriptures off the face of the earth.
However, miraculously the scriptures still remain as the most credible writings among all not only geographically and historically but also in terms of the prophetic accurate.
Here is some evidence of the accuracy of the scriptures…
“The New Testament Manuscripts are Supremely Reliable
“Reliability” as far as any ancient manuscript scholar is concerned is decided by number of manuscripts and how close in time they are to the original writing. For instance, the earliest manuscripts of the writings of Plato, which the vast majority of scholars consider reliable, are 1200 years after Plato put quill to papyrus, and we only have seven copies of them. Let’s compare other works of antiquity (carm.org’s chart is great in this regard).
Lucretius 1200 years 2 copies
Pliny 750 years 7 copies
Plato 1200 years 7 copies
Demosthenes 800 years 8 copies
Herodotus 1300 years 8 copies
Ceasar 1000 years 10 copies
Tacitus 1000 years 20 copies
Aristotle 1400 years 49 copies
These writings are considered “reliable” in that they accurately reflect the original writings. Now, let’s look at the New Testament.New Testament Less than 100 years 5600 copies
Dr. Benjamin Warfield concludes, “If we compare the present state of the text of the New Testament with that of no matter what other ancient work, we must…declare it marvelously exact.”Dr. Norman Geisler has some other points for our consideration. The average secular work of antiquity hangs on by only a handful of manuscripts, while the New Testament boasts thousands. The average length of time between ancient manuscripts is 1000 years. However, the New Testament has fragments within a generation of the writers, whole books within one hundred years, the majority of the New Testament within 200 years, and the entire New Testament within 250 years.
This is unprecedented as far as ancient scholarship goes and the only conclusion can be that the New Testament is supremely reliable.
B. Our Current New Testament is what the Original Authors Intended to Say
Part of the reason we know this goes hand in hand with the process of textual analysis as well. For instance, if there are several manuscripts of an original work that I don’t have, and one of the sentences in each manuscript reads like this:
Manuscript #1: Jesus Chris died for our sins
Manuscript #2: Jsus Christ died for or sins
Manuscript #3: Jesus Christ died our sins
Manuscript #4: Jesus Christ died for sins
Manuscript #5: Jesus Christ dide for our sin.
Comparing these different manuscripts, can I come to an accurate conclusion of what the original author intended to say? Of course I can. Now, this is a simplistic example but the over 99% of the textual variations are solved in this way. Not only can the differences be reconciled, but the original intent of the author can be discovered as well.
1. Overwhelming Evidence
In addition to the already mentioned 5600 Greek manuscripts and fragments of the New Testament, we have 10,000 thousand Latin Vulgates and 9,300 other early versions which gives us more than 24,000 early New Testament manuscripts (McDowell’s Evidence That demands a Verdict, vol.1, 1972 pgs.40-48; and Time, January 23, 1995, pg.57). Remember, of these thousands of manuscripts, there are only fifty major variations. That astoundingly accurate!
But how credible are these manuscripts? As has been previously mentioned, we have many early Greek manuscripts. What dates have been attributed to the earliest ones and what do they contain?“
It seems that men would rather believe Plato over the scriptures.
Of course there will always be enemies of the scriptures, yet we find Jesus himself often quoting and fulfilling them. Jesus spoke of the Prophets and even of Moses and never condemns the scriptures. Jesus read the then Greek translation of the Torah the Septuagent and said that they testified of him.
WJ
WJ
The Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes is a true and accurate record of the actual existence and good works of Mr. Holmes BECAUSE it says, in The Sign of Four, Ch.3, “There is no great mystery in this matter…the facts appear to admit of only one explanation”, which is EXACTLY what was written in the Penguin Edition of 1930.
I expect you to appreciate that Sherlock Holmes was more than a fictional literary character on the strength of this evidence.
Stuart
Hi all
Also the so-called contradictions are ambiguos. Here is some info about Jephthah's Vow…
“Jephthah's Vow: Did He or Didn't He?
by Richard T. Ritenbaugh
Forerunner, “Ready Answer,” July 1994
It was the sort of thing that generals and kings have done throughout history. Before the great battle that will determine the fate of nations or empires, military leaders have prayed for divine help. Soldiers in the trenches and on the front lines do it often. Many vow to reform themselves, to do some act that will please their god or to give themselves to his service.The Bible contains the story of a man of God, Jephthah, who went beyond these customary vows before the big battle of his career (Judges 11:29-40). A Manassite from Gilead, a fertile region just south of the Sea of Galilee and east of the Jordan River, Jephthah was born into an influential and wealthy family. However, he was illegitimate. Unwilling to share the family's wealth, his half-brothers forced him into exile.
He traveled northwestward to an area east of Syria called Tob. Like David in his years of running from Saul, Jephthah lived as a vagabond and a soldier of fortune, collecting a band of riffraff and outcasts around him. His reputation as a brave and brilliant military commander grew and spread.
When Ammon began to raid parts of Israel, mostly Gilead, the elders of the land came to him for help. They offered him the position of commander of their armies, but he refused to fight for them unless he was also granted power as head of Gilead. Backed against the wall as they were, the elders could only accede to his request.
So, with his power as head and commander, he recruited an army throughout the area. Meanwhile, as biblical law requires (Deuteronomy 20:10-12), he sent emissaries to Ammon to negotiate peace, but they were rebuffed. With no other choice left, Jephthah marched on Ammon, and during this march he made his vow.
A Promise Made and Kept
And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD, and said, “If You will indeed deliver the people of Ammon into my hands, then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.” (Judges 11:30-31)
Evidently, God heard, and Jephthah secured a complete victory over Ammon. Word of his success raced across the land. Soon, the people of Mizpah, Jephthah's home, heard the news and prepared to greet him with a victory celebration when he returned.
Unfortunately, leading the celebrants was Jephthah's only child, a daughter. Fully aware of his part of the vow, Jephthah scanned ahead to see who or what would come to meet him first. But when his eyes fell first on his own daughter, his jubilation suddenly turned to bitter grief.
After her father explained what he had done, Jephthah's daughter amazingly put up no resistance. Agreeing that he must keep his vow, she asked only to mourn her virginity for two months before he did. When the two months were over, Jephthah performed his vow, and his daughter's great sacrifice was commemorated yearly by the women of Israel.
Scholars and theologians throughout the ages have wondered, “Did Jephthah really sacrifice his daughter? Or did he dedicate her to God for the rest of her life?” Until the Middle Ages, every commentator of record (even Josephus, cf. Antiquities, 5.7.10) wrote that he actually killed her, but enough evidence exists to suggest that he did not offer her on an altar, but made her a lifelong Nazirite, totally dedicated and holy to God (Numbers 6:8).
Jephthah's Character
It is unfortunate that he made the vow at all. However, unlike Gideon and others, God never appeared or spoke to him. In fact, God dealt with him much as he does with us—through law, experience and personal circumstance. Apparently, he needed the vow to bolster his faith, to secure God's favor however he could, though obviously God was with him (verse 29).
But Jephthah knew the law. He knew that God requires parley before battle to give the opponent a chance to surrender or retreat. He knew that vows are sacred promises to be kept (Numbers 30). He also knew the history of Israel's approach to the Promised Land and Moses' negotiations with the kings of Edom, Moab and the Amorites well enough to make a legal point in his own negotiations (Judges 11:15-27). Obviously, Jephthah knew that human sacrifice is a detestable and hated act to God (Leviticus 18:21; Deuteronomy 12:31).
Not only did Jephthah know it was wrong, the people of Gilead would also have abhorred the practice and were commanded to kill one who did it (Leviticus 20:2-5)! They—especially the priests—would never have been a party to it, nor would the maidens have commemorated it (the Hebrew word translated “lament” in Judges 11:40 is actually “praise,” “commemorate” or “rehearse”).
Nor was Jephthah an impetuous or rash person. His vow was spoken, not on the eve of battle, but on the march to it. Rather than leaping at the chance to command Gilead's army, he patiently negotiated for a more powerful position. He did not rush into battle with Ammon, but recruited and trained an army, negotiating with the enemy all the while. If he remained in character, his vow must have been well considered.
The vow itself has been misunderstood too. His vow is in two parts: whatever comes out of the house “shall surely be the LORD'S and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.” Bullinger in the Companion Bible says: “The Hebrew Vav [translated ‘and' in the KJV/NKJV] is a connective particle, and is rendered in many different ways. It is also used as a disjunctive, and is often rendered ‘or' (or with a negative ‘nor').” So Bullinger concludes Jephthah vowed to dedicate to God whoever came out to meet him, or if it was an animal, to offer it as a burnt offering.
This agrees with Jephthah's character. He considered the scenario, decided a human being or an animal could fulfill it, and provided for both circumstances. Another factor is the term “burnt offering” (Hebrew olah), which has no connotation of fire or burning. It literally means “that which goes up,” and implies total consumption (as one “consumed in his work”) or complete surrender. Thus, even without changing the conjunction, the wording of the vow can technically mean that she was completely devoted to God.
Why Such Grief?
If that is so, why was there such great grief, anguish and mourning? A little background in Israelite culture helps here. Remember how distraught Abraham and Sarah were that they could not have a son? And Rebekah? And Rachel? And Samson's parents? And John the Baptist's parents? Barrenness was a source of great distress and grief to the Israelites. They thought God was displeased with them.
Spinsterhood was almost unknown as well—a woman's whole life revolved around marriage, family and children. Thus, as it states specifically, Jephthah's daughter mourned with her friends over her virginity, not her impending death. She knew she would not die, but remain a virgin for the rest of her life.
Also, she was Jephthah's only child. This is triply stressed in verse 34. Literally, it reads, “She only was his only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.” So she also mourned the end of Jephthah's line. He would have no natural heirs to carry on his name, titles or wealth. Recall Abraham's great distress about this too (Genesis 15:2).
In verse 39 the writer repeats, “She knew no man” immediately after he writes that Jephthah performed the vow. If he had truly sacrificed her, would it not have been better to write, “And she died”? But she did not die! She lived out her life without knowing a man! This is why the maidens of Israel praised her so much! She gave up—sacrificed—t
he one thing that they prized most highly: their ability to have children.Also, the words “he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed” show that he had divine approval for his actions. God would not have approved of human sacrifice. If God had not approved, the writer would have written of God's displeasure, as he did with Gideon's making of a golden ephod (Judges 8:27). And certainly it would not have become a tradition of praise, a customary event in Israel, if God was not pleased.
Incidentally, human sacrifice, though known among the pagans, was not introduced to Israel until the reign of Manasseh of Judah (c. 697-642 BC). Jephthah began judging about 1096 BC. When the king of Moab sacrificed his son on the walls of his city during a combined siege by Israel, Judah and Edom in about 850 BC, the Israelites were so repulsed that they immediately lifted the siege and went home (II Kings 3:27).
How Does This Help Us?
A final proof is that Jephthah is listed as a hero of faith in Hebrews 11:32. In the next verse, the writer says that these faithful people “subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness [and] obtained promises.” If we apply this to Jephthah, his vow, in which God fulfilled His part, was an act of righteousness.
And though others listed in this list sinned horribly, would God have listed in “so great a cloud of witnesses” a man who sacrified his only child? True, Abraham, the father of the faithful, was willing to do so, but he also said that God would provide a sacrifice (Genesis 22:8). In Abraham's case, God stepped in, as He probably would have for Jephthah. Generally, the Bible speaks too highly of Jephthah to infer that he participated in a human sacrifice.
What does this teach us? Obviously, it is a reminder to be careful about what we vow. God takes vows seriously and expects them to be kept. Failing to keep a vow violates the ninth commandment and indicates weak character and faithlessness.
More important, we need to remember that we have already made our own vow—at baptism. We vowed to take Jesus Christ as our personal Savior, and in effect we gave our lives to Him for His use and His service. Jephthah offered his daughter; we offer ourselves (Romans 12:1).
Our lives are not our own to do with as we please (I Corinthians 6:19-20). We have the responsibility, now that we have been redeemed from our lives of sin, to live up to the high standards of God's way of life and to glorify God in whatever we do. This means growing in His image and bearing fruit, putting on the holy character of God and helping our brethren in their development. This means total devotion to God and fulfilling our parts in His plan.
We have made our vow; there is no turning back without great pain and loss. Our vow should be constantly on our minds, and we must strive to our utmost to keep it. We cannot afford to rest on our accomplishments or become satisfied with our present state of growth.
Are we ready to face the horrors and temptations of the time of the end? We will have to endure the birth pangs of the Great Tribulation if Israel's experience with the plagues in Egypt are a type. Are we truly strong and faithful? Are we firmly anchored in God and His Word? Can God trust us to be faithful witnesses under persecution and threat of death? God promises that those times are coming, like it or not. Are we ready?
Can we sincerely say, “Your will be done”? Have we completely put ourselves in God's hands? We need to remember Jephthah's daughter, her willing attitude, her selfless sacrifice. Like her, it is time to make ourselves completely devoted sacrifices to God.“
But men will believe what they want no matter if it was the Messiah standing in front of them. Jesus spoke a parable concerning this…
And he said unto him, “IF THEY HEAR NOT MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, THOUGH ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.“. Luke 16:31
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, “that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me“. Luke 24:44
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2009,19:14) WJ The Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes is a true and accurate record of the actual existence and good works of Mr. Holmes BECAUSE it says, in The Sign of Four, Ch.3, “There is no great mystery in this matter…the facts appear to admit of only one explanation”, which is EXACTLY what was written in the Penguin Edition of 1930.
I expect you to appreciate that Sherlock Holmes was more than a fictional literary character on the strength of this evidence.
Stuart
StuThats laughable to think that you can stack the “Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes” against the scriptures a book written over a 1,500 year span; and over 40 generations; by more than 40 authors, from every kind of background including, kings, fishermen, poets, peasants, philosophers, statesmen, scholars, prophets, … etc. It's a book written in different places ranging from the wilderness of Mount Sinai to the prison walls of Paul the Apostle and yet all speaking of the same God. Click here
I know this must be a thorn in your craw to think that a book like the Bible can so far exceed any other literary work and is even now still the best seller in the world and always has been.
WJ
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