God is the testator, jesus is the testator

[Elizabeth]

Ed

If you talk to me and expect me to respond, do it with out the color and numbers, it makes me dizzy looking at it, also leave out the, well, whatever language that scribbling is, I cant read it, and it don't impress me.

Georg

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,14:54)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,14:23) thinker Jer 31:33   But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.   What do you think is meant by “after those days”? Jer 31:34   And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.   God will open the minds of all people. Hab 2:14   For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.   Georg Hi Georg, People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)                 God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63                 The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 ! Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth                 is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as                 [“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth. I added “Color” to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word! THE “THREE” MAIN (Called:”The Trinity”=148) “FEASTS OF GOD” are Called… 1) “The Passover”=148              “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117    “Messiah: Jesus”=148                  “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151! 2) “Pentecost”=117                     Started  the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which         “Former Rain”=117                    is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind! 3) “Feast of Booths”=151            begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)     “The Latter Rain”=151             “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the “THREE”!           A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers! Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117; Geometry(Block Geomttry=151) and Gematria(The God Numbers=151) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this! “The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!                   Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),      Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.      The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)      out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1) 2 Pteter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,    that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,    and a thousand years as one day. Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us:    in the third day he will raise us up,    and we shall live in his sight. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

TT and Ed if you would write in English only maybe I could understand you. You and your numbers is so confusing, that I don't even want to read that. We are talking about the covenant. The problem here is that there is another Covenant coming. Right now we are in the new covenant under Jesus Blood. Luke 22:20. However when you read the Scriptures in Jer.31:34 and Hab.2:14 you can see that it is not the covenant that we now are under. Not only the truth is being taught then that covers the earth like water covers the sea. That is when Christ will teach all truths. After those days. Question has there ever been a time that only the truth has been taught? I don't think so..Just look here on HN how many different understandings, confusion to say the least…All will know the Lord Jesus. Ask the people in California what they think about God. Or the Gay's,mmmmmmmmmmm
I think that covenant is to come….. the last one before God will come down with the New Jerusalem made out of Gold. Eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard prepared for them that love Me. To that time I am forever looking forward to. Amen and Amen.
Irene

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,15:03)

Ed If you talk to me and expect me to respond, do it with out the color and numbers, it makes me dizzy looking at it, also leave out the, well, whatever language that scribbling is, I cant read it, and it don't impress me. Georg

Georg,

You don't need Ed to make you dizzy. You are already dizzy. You said, “Christ is over all and this is why Paul blesses God.” But now you say this, “Christ does not reign at all now.”

So Ed cannot be blamed for your dizziness.

thinker

[Ed J]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,20:37)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,15:03) Ed If you talk to me and expect me to respond, do it with out the color and numbers, it makes me dizzy looking at it, also leave out the, well, whatever language that scribbling is, I cant read it, and it don't impress me. Georg Georg, You don't need Ed to make you dizzy. You are already dizzy. You said, “Christ is over all and this is why Paul blesses God.” But now you say this, “Christ does not reign at all now.” So Ed cannot be blamed for your dizziness. thinker

Hi Thinker,

Thanks, TT! I asked you a question twice at…
Forum  » BELIEVERS PLACE » Biblical Prophecy » Jesus has returned

Still waiting for a response.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,14:23)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,07:58) Georg said: Quote guess I gave you a new crutch, Ryrie, did I? don't lean on it to heavily, it's a week crutch. Georg, Irene gave me the “crutch.” If you and she had not arrogantly accused me and WJ of teaching the doctrines of men I would not be making so much of this. But now we know that you are parroting the doctrines of men yourself. I can make you think twice before you run off the accusations. Georg: Quote In the millennium there will be no covenant by sacrifice, or by faith, it will be a covenant by obedience. How can a covenant of obedience be a new covenant? The old covenant was a covenant of obedience. What I am hearing from you is that the new covenant is for the millennium. But if the millennium is a covenant of obedience then it is not a new covenant. It is a return to the old covenant. You're parroting Ryrie. Polly want a cracker? thinker thinker No, it would not be a return to the old covenant, as there will be no sacrificing for sins. Why is there so much division, confusion, and misunderstanding now, because very few are let by the Holy spirit, in the millennium that will all change. Jer 31:33   But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.   What do you think is meant by “after those days”? Jer 31:34   And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.   God will open the minds of all people. Hab 2:14   For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.   I think the doctrines you teach are your own, not men. Why is it that you never respond to the scriptures I give you, to confusing? They are not foot notes, they are not even from my Ryrie Bible, they are copied from the “Blue Letter Bible” that you can click on too, or at least read them when I give them to you, then you would understand too. I like them little characters you put up, there funny. Georg Ps, who in the world is Darbite?

Georg,

The expression “after those days” means after the exile. Read Jeremiah in its context. Hebrews one says that God's Son had spoken to them in “THESE LAST DAYS.”

Explain how there can be days to come after the “last days.”

Paul said that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant:

…who also made us sufficient as administrators of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

How can the new covenant be in the future when the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant?

I am glad to see that you deny that animal sacrifices will return. Many who hold to your view believe that animal sacrifices will return and they base it on Ezekiel 43. So if you're going to be consistent you should adopt this view.

thinker

[Elizabeth]

denker/thinker

Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist.

Georg

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44)

denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg

Ahhhh just as I thought. You have no intelligible reply to Paul's assertion that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).

You have no intelligible reply because their office as administrators of the new covenant destroys your way out there theory that the new covenant has not been fulfilled.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44)

denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg

t8 or Nick,

Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth.

thinker

[mikeboll64]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2010,21:09)

Mike, It was the Messenger of Jehovah who revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush.

Hi Thinker,

So Jesus was the messanger? Angel means messanger. Was Jesus an angel?

peace and love
mike

[Elizabeth]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:10)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg Ahhhh just as I thought. You have no intelligible reply to Paul's assertion that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6). You have no intelligible reply because their office as administrators of the new covenant destroys your way out there theory that the new covenant has not been fulfilled. thinker

So the truth is covering the earth like water is covering the sea? Come on you of all people should know better. That has never happened before. You show me were that has happened before and maybe I will believe you, otherwise learn the truth……Ezekiel and Hab is a prophecy to come and has never happened before……and BDW my Husband is making fun and speaking in German, of course you would not understand that.
The New Covenant that Paul is talking about is the New Covenant that we are under now. The Covenant that is Spiritual and not by the letter of the Law. Luke 22:20 and Jesus magnified the Law and made it Spiritual. I hope you know that we know what that means. Give us a little credit, for pet's sake.
Math. 22:37-40 the great commandment….not the Old Testament Law…..
God's Holy Spirit has shown us more truths then you realize, my friend….
So you believe that we are going into the Millenium with this covenant in tact? I don't think so. Only then will the truth be taught by Jesus and His Saints that BTW died for the truth like He did. They are sleeping and will meet Christ in the air. Maybe already done so, who knows, time will tell. I am sure that they will have a time that Jesus will teach them and instruct them what He wants them to do, again time will tell. Just IMO, and not written in blood. But today's Covenant in His Blood will not go into the Millenium IMO.
Irene
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[Elizabeth]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:13)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg t8 or Nick, Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth. thinker

Maybe you need a couple more…….You seem to know everything and don't give any room for someone else.
That is why Georg gets so frustrated with you.    
Learn German we had to learn english….. some learn spanish, and expect us to maybe….

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,11:06)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:10) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg Ahhhh just as I thought. You have no intelligible reply to Paul's assertion that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6). You have no intelligible reply because their office as administrators of the new covenant destroys your way out there theory that the new covenant has not been fulfilled. thinker So the truth is covering the earth like water is covering the sea?   Come on you of all people should know better.  That has never happened before.  You show me were that has happened before and maybe I will believe you, otherwise learn the truth……Ezekiel and Hab is a prophecy to come and has never happened before……and BDW  my Husband is making fun and speaking in German, of course you would not understand that. The New Covenant that Paul is talking about is the New Covenant that we are under now.  The Covenant that is Spiritual and not by the letter of the Law.  Luke 22:20 and Jesus magnified the Law and made it Spiritual.  I hope you know that we know what that means.  Give us a little credit, for pet's sake.   Math. 22:37-40 the great commandment….not the Old Testament Law….. God's Holy Spirit has shown us more truths then you realize, my friend…. So you believe that we are going into the Millenium with this covenant in tact?  I don't think so.  Only then will the truth be taught by Jesus and His Saints that BTW died for the truth like He did.  They are sleeping and will meet Christ in the air.  Maybe already done so, who knows, time will tell.  I am sure that they will have a time that Jesus will teach them and instruct them what He wants them to do, again time will tell. Just IMO, and not written in  blood.  But today's Covenant in His Blood will not go into the Millenium IMO. Irene .

Georg,

Your theology is the result of weak translation. It should read that truth covers the LAND as the waters cover the sea. It is talking only about the LAND of Israel. There were many times in Israel's old covenant history when truth covered their LAND.

The prophecies you cite have nothing to do with a world wide salvation. On Pentecost it says that  the Spirit was poured out upon “ALL FLESH.” But it was only Israelites who initially received the Spirit and it was from Jerusalem that the truth flowed out.

Paul said that he and the apostles were ministers of the new covenant. So the new covenant cannot be future. The scritures about the truth covering the LAND of Israel was fulfilled in apostolic times.

Those prophecies did not refer to a world wide knowledge of the Lord outside the “land” of Palestine.

The Hebrew word is more often translated “land” then it is translated “earth.”

“The whole LAND (Israel or Palestine) shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord.”

The apostles fulfilled this because they were the administrators of the new covenant. Please dump Ryrie.

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,19:12)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:13) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg t8 or Nick, Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth. thinker Maybe you need a couple more…….You seem to know everything and don't give any room for someone else. That is why Georg gets so frustrated with you.     Learn German we had to learn english….. some learn spanish, and expect us to maybe….

Irene

Get real. You live in America so you should learn to speak our language.

Why should we have to learn German?

It is rude for someone to speak another language to someone who they are having dialogue with when the other party doesn't understand the language!

WJ

[Elizabeth]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:13)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg t8 or Nick, Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth. thinker

thinker

OK, here is the translation of it.

“How can I explain to you what you don't understand”?
In other words, your understanding of scripture is as good as understanding another language.
Here is the rest of it.

“you behave as though you were drunk”.
In other words, you stagger through scripture as though you were drunk.

Any one, and for the most part that includes WJ, and even Gene, that twist scripture, tells me, no that word does not mean what it says, just so he can stick to his crazy ideas, does not have my respect.
You want to engage in a real, and honest debate, act mature, otherwise, I'll just have fun with you.

Georg

[Elizabeth]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 28 2010,11:54)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 27 2010,19:12) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:13) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg t8 or Nick, Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth. thinker Maybe you need a couple more…….You seem to know everything and don't give any room for someone else. That is why Georg gets so frustrated with you.     Learn German we had to learn english….. some learn spanish, and expect us to maybe….     Irene Get real. You live in America so you should learn to speak our language. Why should we have to learn German? It is rude for someone to speak another language to someone who they are having dialogue with when the other party doesn't understand the language! WJ

W.J. First of all I did not write that in German, and I was just comparing to what is going on with the Mexican People. Every time I call Kroger we have to listen to Spanish… Which is ridiculous. I don't want anyone to learn German I was just kidding. We are American Citizens since 1978 and this is my Home now. We had to learn English and it upsets me to no end when the Mexican have to have their language on everywhere….
Irene

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,11:50)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,11:06) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:10) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg Ahhhh just as I thought. You have no intelligible reply to Paul's assertion that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6). You have no intelligible reply because their office as administrators of the new covenant destroys your way out there theory that the new covenant has not been fulfilled. thinker So the truth is covering the earth like water is covering the sea?   Come on you of all people should know better.  That has never happened before.  You show me were that has happened before and maybe I will believe you, otherwise learn the truth……Ezekiel and Hab is a prophecy to come and has never happened before……and BDW  my Husband is making fun and speaking in German, of course you would not understand that. The New Covenant that Paul is talking about is the New Covenant that we are under now.  The Covenant that is Spiritual and not by the letter of the Law.  Luke 22:20 and Jesus magnified the Law and made it Spiritual.  I hope you know that we know what that means.  Give us a little credit, for pet's sake.   Math. 22:37-40 the great commandment….not the Old Testament Law….. God's Holy Spirit has shown us more truths then you realize, my friend…. So you believe that we are going into the Millenium with this covenant in tact?  I don't think so.  Only then will the truth be taught by Jesus and His Saints that BTW died for the truth like He did.  They are sleeping and will meet Christ in the air.  Maybe already done so, who knows, time will tell.  I am sure that they will have a time that Jesus will teach them and instruct them what He wants them to do, again time will tell. Just IMO, and not written in  blood.  But today's Covenant in His Blood will not go into the Millenium IMO. Irene . Georg, Your theology is the result of weak translation. It should read that truth covers the LAND as the waters cover the sea. It is talking only about the LAND of Israel. There were many times in Israel's old covenant history when truth covered their LAND. The prophecies you cite have nothing to do with a world wide salvation. On Pentecost it says that  the Spirit was poured out upon “ALL FLESH.” But it was only Israelites who initially received the Spirit and it was from Jerusalem that the truth flowed out. Paul said that he and the apostles were ministers of the new covenant. So the new covenant cannot be future. The scritures about the truth covering the LAND of Israel was fulfilled in apostolic times. Those prophecies did not refer to a world wide knowledge of the Lord outside the “land” of Palestine. The Hebrew word is more often translated “land” then it is translated “earth.” “The whole LAND (Israel or Palestine) shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord.” The apostles fulfilled this because they were the administrators of the new covenant. Please dump Ryrie. thinker

Hi TT,
Get it right.

Before Jesus only the prophets and kings were anointed with God's Spirit, not the ordinary people.

The outpouring of the Spirit at pentecost was not the prophecy in Jl 2 fulfilled but rather Jl2 seen as a similar type of manifestation.

Jl2 has yet to be fulfilled for the jewish people.

[Elizabeth]

Nick

I know you're trying, but;
How can you explain scripture to some one that does not believe in it?
How can you describe color to a blind person? same difference.

Georg

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,12:24)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:13) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,03:44) denker/thinker Wie kann ich dier was erklaren was du nicht ferstehst, du benimst dich so als wenn du besoffen bist. Georg t8 or Nick, Do the translation and determine the number of tiles it's worth. thinker thinker OK, here is the translation of it. “How can I explain to you what you don't understand”? In other words, your understanding of scripture is as good as understanding another language. Here is the rest of it. “you behave as though you were drunk”. In other words, you stagger through scripture as though you were drunk. Any one, and for the most part that includes WJ, and even Gene, that twist scripture, tells me, no that word does not mean what it says, just so he can stick to his crazy ideas, does not have my respect. You want to engage in a real, and honest debate, act mature, otherwise, I'll just have fun with you. Georg

TO ALL:

Our friend Georg has said that Christ does not rule at all now. He has said also that the new covenant is still future. Ye he has the audacity to say that I believe as a “drunken” man.

Georg invokes Isaiah 11:9 as a “proof text” for his anti-christian theory that the new covenant is still future. Here is the verse:

For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

According to Georg the new covenant age is an age when the whole earth will be covered with the knowledge of the Lord. Georg reasons that the “earth” has never been full of the knowledge of the Lord. Therefore, He concludes that the new covenant is still future. But the Hebrew word “eretz” is quite often translated by our English word “land.” See Strong's# 776. Dr. Strong says that “eretz” may refer to the whole earth “or partitively a land”.

The subject of Isaiah's prophecy is Israel and therefore the word “eretz” would be better translated by our English “land.”  Isaiah's prophecy was speaking about a time when the knowledge of the Lord would cover “the land of Israel as the waters cover the sea.”

There are examples of this from Israel's old covenant history. For instance, in Psalm 98 the author recounted the time when the Lord had delivered the people from the Babylonian captivity. It says this:

Psalm.
1 Oh, sing to the LORD a new song!
        For He has done marvelous things;
        His right hand and His holy arm have gained Him the victory.
2 The LORD has made known His salvation;
        His righteousness He has revealed in the sight of the nations.
3 He has remembered His mercy and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
        All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

It says that “all the ends of the earth (land) have seen the salvation of our God.” Did the entire globe did not see the salvation of the Lord? Absolutely not! It was Israel who saw His salvation. Therefore, the “earth” means “the ends of the LAND.”

THE APOSTLES HAD BEEN COMMISSIONED TO REACH ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH (LAND) THEMSELVES

Acts 1:8: 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Note: Jesus told THEM that THEY would reach the end of the earth (or land of Israel) with the gospel.

Acts 13:47: For so hath the Lord commanded US, saying, I have set YOU to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Note: Paul said that they themselves were chosen to reach the ends of the earth (the LAND of Israel) with the gospel. The difference here is that gentiles are now ibcluded. But the geographical scope is Israel nonetheless.

THE APOSTLES HAD SUCCESSFULLY REACHED THE END OF THE EARTH (LAND) WITH THE GOSPEL. BY THE TIME PAUL WROTE HIS EPISTLES THEY HAD TAKEN THE GOSPEL TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH (LAND).

Romans 10:16-18:16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes truly, their voice went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world

Note: It clearly says that they all “truly” heard. Paul said that their “voice” and their “words” went out into “all the earth (land)” and into “all the world.” Yet we know that the entire globe is not in view. The apostles were commissioned to go to all nations throughoout the “end of the LAND.”

Colossians 1:5-6:5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Note: Paul said that the word of the gospel had come into “all the world.”

Colossians 1:23:23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Note: Paul said that the gospel had been preached to “every creature under heaven.” Did this mean that they had taken the gospel to the entire globe? Of course not! it means that they had taken it to the world that was known to them.

Georg has denied that Christ reigns now and he has denied that the new covenant is in effect now. Yet he has the nerve to call me “drunken” and Nick tells me that I need to get real. Nick ought to be putting the pressure on Georg to get Himself straightened out!

The prophecy which says, “the whole LAND shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord” was restricted to the land of Israel. The entire globe was not in view at all. There is no such teaching to be found anywhere in the scriptures.

Look where such teaching has led Georg. What a shame!

Paul CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY taught that Christ reigns at His Father's right hand. Paul CLEARLY said that he and the apostles were the administrators of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).

Therefore, the new covenant cannot be future!

thinker

[NickHassan]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 26 2010,12:40)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2010,12:14) Hi Georg, The names in the book of life are written now.[Lk 10.20, Phil4.3] Nick For whom? Georg

Hi Georg,
For the time of the opening of the books.[rev20]

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2010,05:07)

Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2010,18:29) The inspired writer of the book of Hebrews discusses two principal covenants, the Law covenant and the new covenant. In this discussion he refers to Christ’s mediating the new covenant. (Heb 9:15) His words at Hebrews 9:16 have been a subject of controversy among Bible scholars. Accordingly, the text has been rendered in the following ways: “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.” (KJ) “For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.” (RS) “For where a covenant is it is necessary for the death to be brought in of him that hath covenanted.” (Ro) “For where there is a covenant, the death of the human covenanter needs to be furnished.” (NW) “For where a covenant is, the death of the covenant-victim to come in is necessary.” (Yg) “For where a Covenant exists, the Death of that which has ratified it is necessary to be produced.” (ED) “For where a covenant is, there is a necessity for the death of that which establisheth the covenant.”—The New Testament in an Improved Version. The literal rendering as set forth in interlinear translations of the Greek text is as follows: “Where for covenant, death necessity to be borne of the one having made for self covenant.” (Heb 9:16, Int) “For where there is a covenant, the death there is necessity to be offered of the one making covenant.”—The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, translated by Alfred Marshall. The rendering of di·a·the′ke as “covenant” expresses correctly the writer’s meaning. The renderings “testament” and “will,” found in many versions, are inconsistent with the use of the term in the Greek Septuagint as well as in many places in the Christian Greek Scriptures. (Lu 1:72; Ac 3:25; 7:8; Ro 9:4; 11:27; Heb 8:6-10; 12:24) “Will” and “testament” also are out of harmony with what Paul is talking about, as he is speaking of the Law covenant and the new covenant in the context. Neither the Law covenant nor the new covenant was a “will.” At Hebrews 9:16 the apostle Paul was evidently speaking of covenants between God and man (not man and man) as requiring sacrifices. And it may be noted that, particularly with the Hebrews, approaches to God and covenants with God were regularly based on sacrifices, the victims sacrificed sometimes being cut in pieces on the occasion of entering a covenant. It is quite obvious that the Law covenant and the new covenant required the shedding of blood in order to go into operation or to be effective before God. Otherwise God would not have recognized them as valid, nor dealt with the persons involved on the basis of a covenant relationship. (Heb 9:17) For the validation of the Law covenant, the sacrifice used was that of animals—bulls and goats—these taking the place of Moses, the mediator. (Heb 9:19) –Insight book. Hi David, To put it bluntly your post above is a BIG mess and total confusion. First, you attempt to create doubt as to the meaning of the text by saying that there is controversy among the scholars. Yet you give no examples of this alleged controversy. You need to show us. Then you offer the various translations as “proof” that its meaning is unclear. But all the translations agree in essence. Second, you said that the text is “evidently speaking of covenants between God and man (not man and man).” Yet your own New World Translation in verse 17 says “[human] covenanteer.” “For a covenant is valid over dead [victims], since it is not in force at any time while the [human] covenanteer is living” NWT So the translators inwhich you trust understood this text to be about a covenant between man and man? Yet you say that the text is “evidently speaking of covenants between God and man (not man and man).” I agree with you that the text is about a covenant between God and man. What I am saying is that you can't get around the fact that it is also about a covenant between man and man. Your own translation substantiates that it is a man who is the “Covenanteer.” It is a man who made the covenant. The word “death” conclusively speaks to the principle of a man and man covenant! Yet Hebrews 8 explicitly says that it is God who made the covenant. Your solution seems to be that Israel had two Testators. You deny my Premise one: God ALONE is the Testator (or “covenanteer” if you like). So it seems that your solution is that Israel had two Covenanteers which were God and Jesus Christ. But your two Covenanteers principle is out of context with the book of Hebrews for these reasons: Jehovah as you define Him did not make the covenant with Israel. Jehovah as you define Him made an oath to Jesus Christ. Then Jesus Christ made the covenant with Israel. Jehovah (as you define Him) made an oath to Christ: 20And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, 21but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him:   “The Lord has sworn   and will not change his mind, 'You are a priest forever.'” 22This makes Jesus the GUARANTOR of a better covenant. Hebrews 7:20-22 There it is! The oath that Jehovah made to Jesus makes Jesus Himself the “GUARANTOR” of the covenant. As the “guarantor” of the covenant He is the Priest and the sacrifice. He is the Mediator and the Testator (or Covenanteer). Then Jesus Christ made the covenant with Israel: “But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant HE mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. 8For HE finds fault with them when HE says:    “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,   when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel   and with the house of Judah, 9not like the covenant that I made with their fathers   on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant,   and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel   after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds,   and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God….” Hebrews 8:7-10 Note that it says that “HE” (Jesus) mediates the covenant. Then it says that “HE” (Jesus) finds fault with the first covenant and that “HE” (Jesus) says, “I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.” The “HE” who mediates is the “He” who finds fault with the first covenant and is the same “HE” who says, “I will make a new covenant.” It is Jesus speaking throughout! And “HE” (Jesus) says, “I will be their God.” Note also that He said that the new covenant will not be as the first covenant that He gave them when He led them out of Egypt. It was Jesus who led them out of Egypt: 5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward d estroyed those who did not believe. Jude 5 ESV Moses said, “And when we cried to the LORD, he heard our voice and sent a Messenger and brought us out of Egypt. And here we are in Kadesh, a city on the edge of your territory.” Numbers 20:16 Jehovah made an oath to Jesus Christ. Then Jesus Christ made the new covenant with Israel. Jesus Christ is the sole Testator (or Covenanteer) of the covenant! thinker

Hi TT,
You wrongly ascribe to Jesus the OT words.
Context does confuse you.

By your standards the words of Heb 8.5-10 could just as easily be ascribed to Moses who is mentioned in v5.

But your reading of God's Word is always in defence of a trinity theology.

Take the glasses off.

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