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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,13:24) He said that there are *MANY* antichrists in his day.
What about today? The ones that are in charge of
translating the bible are ALL ANTICHRISTS.
So the antichrists were making bad translations in John's day. And they are here in our current age doing the same thing. But for some reason, they took a break in 1611, so any translation coming out in that year is perfect?
How come the ones translating the Bibles are all antichrists EXCEPT FOR the ones who translated the KJV?
Can't you even see how silly you sound?
I have yet to read an English translation of the Bible that is AGAINST Jesus Christ. Which ones did you read that are against Jesus Christ? Show me the “antichrist” verses in those Bibles.
Or are you just talking unwarranted smack again?
Btw Wakeup,
To recognize Jesus as the servant OF God – and not God Almighty Himself – is not “of the antichrist”. Don't you even know what the word “christ” means?
It doesn't mean “God Himself”. Instead, it refers to someone who was anointed BY God.
So if I accept Jesus as the Christ OF God, and not as God Almighty Himself, then I am the one who is telling like it is.
Hmmm………. I guess that would mean that YOU are the one who is the “antichrist”, right?
Mike B.
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So the antichrists were making bad translations in John's day. And they are here in our current age doing the same thing. But for some reason, they took a break in 1611, so any translation coming out in that year is perfect?IN JOHNS DAY THEY HAVE THE BOOKS WRITTEN BY THE APOSTLES. BUT THERE WERE MANY COMING IN PREACHING IN CONTRADICTION.TODAY THERE ARE HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS LEARNED SCRIBES TAKING CONTROL.
AND THE SHEEP HAVE MUCH CONFIDENCE IN THEIR
KNOWLEDGE.DON'T UNDERASTIMATE SATAN AND HIS APOSTLES.Quote
How come the ones translating the Bibles are all antichrists EXCEPT FOR the ones who translated the KJV?
Can't you even see how silly you sound?YOU ARE LEAVING GOD OUT OF THE PICTURE.
GOD PROVIDES. HE COMMANDS US TO SEEK AND HE
PROVIDES. THIS IS NOT SILLY, BUT COMMON SENSE.
OR WE CAN COME UP WITH EXCUSES FOR NEVER FINDING THE TRUTH.Quote
I have yet to read an English translation of the Bible that is AGAINST Jesus Christ. Which ones did you read that are against Jesus Christ? Show me the “antichrist” verses in those Bibles.THE ANTICHRISTS ARE TOO SMART NOT TO DO IT THAT WAY.THEY CHANGE THE MEANING HERE AND THERE A JOT AT A TIME. THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE. IN FIFTY YEARS TIME THE NAME JESUS WILL NOT BE SEEN WRITTEN.THEY ARE CUNNING WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL READ A DIFFERENT BIBLE.
LUCKILY THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME. FOR THE END IS HERE.wakeup.
So your DIRECT answers to my points are:
1. The reason the KJV was the only Bible NOT written by antichrists is because God personally chose that translation to be perfect.
2. No Mike, I can't show you any “antichrist” verses in any of the newer translations, but I will just continue to make that unwarranted claim anyway.
Hmmmm………..
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2014,06:08) So your DIRECT answers to my points are: 1. The reason the KJV was the only Bible NOT written by antichrists is because God personally chose that translation to be perfect.
2. No Mike, I can't show you any “antichrist” verses in any of the newer translations, but I will just continue to make that unwarranted claim anyway.
Hmmmm………..
Mike B.When Jesus said: seek and you shall find.
Does it not make sense to say that He also will provide?
What do you say to that?Or does he leave us to sort it all out for our selves?
What power have we, against those men high up?
We are the poor and the humble like children.
Most not highly educated.
The higher the education the more one tend to use their own
wisdom.Although there are some still humble with their feet on the ground.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2014,14:56) When Jesus said: seek and you shall find.
Does it not make sense to say that He also will provide?
God has provided, Wakeup. He provided us with the information that we're constantly digging up. And He provided us with common sense to understand that information.Why you choose to use only SOME of the information and common sense God provided you with is beyond me.
I suggest that you don't say another word about “antichrist translations” until you can PROVE to us that a certain Bible IS actually “antichrist”.
As for the KJV being “perfect” and “inspired by God” or whatever, I hope the things you learned in that other thread have taught you differently.
I can't imaging a “perfect” Bible using the divine name God gave us for Himself only 4 times, when God inspired the writers of scripture to include that name 6519 times.
MikeB.
You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries? All they can afford is a second hand bible.
They live on two dollars a day.
Seek and you shall find counts for them also.
Are they all lost because of money?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2014,22:37) MikeB. You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries? All they can afford is a second hand bible.
They live on two dollars a day.
Seek and you shall find counts for them also.
Are they all lost because of money?wakeup.
DO YOU KNOW THAT SIR GORDON PACHA (MOVIE KARTOUM) WHEN HE TRAVELD TROUGH THE SOUDAN HE TEARED APART HIS BIBLE AND PAGE BY PAGE LET IT FLY AWAY ,SO THAT IN SOME WAY SOME ONE WOULD PICK IT UP AND BELIEVE ,THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,WE ARE ONLY INSTRUMENT ,SERVANTS TO GOD AND HIS SON ,NOTHING MORE
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,15:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2014,22:37) MikeB. You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries? All they can afford is a second hand bible.
They live on two dollars a day.
Seek and you shall find counts for them also.
Are they all lost because of money?wakeup.
DO YOU KNOW THAT SIR GORDON PACHA (MOVIE KARTOUM) WHEN HE TRAVELD TROUGH THE SOUDAN HE TEARED APART HIS BIBLE AND PAGE BY PAGE LET IT FLY AWAY ,SO THAT IN SOME WAY SOME ONE WOULD PICK IT UP AND BELIEVE ,THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,WE ARE ONLY INSTRUMENT ,SERVANTS TO GOD AND HIS SON ,NOTHING MORE
T.The whole bible is needed to find the truth not just one page.
There are good people living near the rubbish tip,to collect
cans and bottles.
They are poor because of the unfair system of satan.
He only blessed the rich to get more rich,and to oppress the poor more.wakeup.
MikeB.
Why do do have to put more yoke on your shoulders?
Why not just follow Jesus advice?Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 ****For my yoke is easy, and my burden
is light****.
Use God's wisdom.
Elijah was alone in the wilderness,and God provided Him with bread baked by the angel,and the ravens brought him meat.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,10:54) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,15:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2014,22:37) MikeB. You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries? All they can afford is a second hand bible.
They live on two dollars a day.
Seek and you shall find counts for them also.
Are they all lost because of money?wakeup.
DO YOU KNOW THAT SIR GORDON PACHA (MOVIE KARTOUM) WHEN HE TRAVELD TROUGH THE SOUDAN HE TEARED APART HIS BIBLE AND PAGE BY PAGE LET IT FLY AWAY ,SO THAT IN SOME WAY SOME ONE WOULD PICK IT UP AND BELIEVE ,THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,WE ARE ONLY INSTRUMENT ,SERVANTS TO GOD AND HIS SON ,NOTHING MORE
T.The whole bible is needed to find the truth not just one page.
There are good people living near the rubbish tip,to collect
cans and bottles.
They are poor because of the unfair system of satan.
He only blessed the rich to get more rich,and to oppress the poor more.wakeup.
IF THE SEED FALL ON GOOD SOIL IT WILL BRING FRUITQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,06:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,10:54) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,15:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2014,22:37) MikeB. You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries? All they can afford is a second hand bible.
They live on two dollars a day.
Seek and you shall find counts for them also.
Are they all lost because of money?wakeup.
DO YOU KNOW THAT SIR GORDON PACHA (MOVIE KARTOUM) WHEN HE TRAVELD TROUGH THE SOUDAN HE TEARED APART HIS BIBLE AND PAGE BY PAGE LET IT FLY AWAY ,SO THAT IN SOME WAY SOME ONE WOULD PICK IT UP AND BELIEVE ,THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,WE ARE ONLY INSTRUMENT ,SERVANTS TO GOD AND HIS SON ,NOTHING MORE
T.The whole bible is needed to find the truth not just one page.
There are good people living near the rubbish tip,to collect
cans and bottles.
They are poor because of the unfair system of satan.
He only blessed the rich to get more rich,and to oppress the poor more.wakeup.
IF THE SEED FALL ON GOOD SOIL IT WILL BRING FRUIT
T.True;but the preaching of the scriptures is the seed.
With no scriptures and preaching, there is no seed.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:23) So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices: 1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Obviously 2) Mike. Time travel because that supports the Trinity view while the other does not.Quote (tigger2 @ Jan. 30 2014,11:28) …………………….. “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,
“This wording at the beginning of the KJV's version of Rev. 1:11 is not found in virtually any ancient texts, nor is it mentioned, even as a footnote, in any modern translation or in Bruce Metzger's definitive A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition, New York: United Bible Societies, 1994” – http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/rev01v11.htm " class="bbcode-link"> http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/rev01v11.htm
……………………………………………………
“There are only three pre-ninth century Greek MSS which attest to this passage [Rev. 1:11], and all three of them omit the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” In addition, many later MSS and versions also omit. Hodges & Farstad's “Majority” text omits, and Robinson & Pierpont's “Byzantine/Majority” text omits. Thus whether one bases one's text largely on pre-ninth century MSS, or whether one bases one's text on the Majority of Greek MSS, either way, this phrase should be omitted.”
-Steven Craig Miller – http://lists.ibiblio.org/piperma….ent.htm " class="bbcode-link"> http://lists.ibiblio.org/piperma….ent.htmThis truth is easily looked up by anyone interested. If, on the other hand, you happen to be a KJV-onlyist, let me know and I have another question for you.
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Jesus is never clearly called the Alpha and Omega as God is. It does appear to be a unique title for God.As for “the first and the last,” however, it appears to be more of a description (“only”).
Jehovah calls himself Protos kai ego meta tauta – “First and I [am] hereafter” – Septuagint, Is. 44:6; whereas Jesus calls himself ho protos kai ho eskatos – “The first and the last” – somewhat similar descriptions but much different wording.
Just what the “only” is referring to must be discerned by the reader. Jesus, for example is the “only-begotten Son of God,” the only one to die for all mankind, the only person resurrected directly by God Himself (which context implies at Rev. 1:17, 18), etc.
God is the only person who has always existed, who is the only true God (John 17:3), etc.
As for Rev. 22:13, a number of trinitarian-translated Bibles show that whoever was speaking in that verse was not the speaker at Rev. 22:16 (Jesus).
The RSV, NRSV, NASB, NEB, REB, NKJV, and NAB (1991 ed.) show (by quotation marks and indenting) that Rev. 22:14 and 15 are not the words of the speaker of verses 12 and 13 but are John’s words. (The Jerusalem Bible and the NJB show us that the angel spoke all the words from verse 10 through verse 15.) Then they show Jesus as a new speaker beginning to speak in verse 16.
So, if you must insist that the person speaking just before verse 16 is the same person who is speaking in verse 16, then, according to the trinitarian NEB, RSV, NKJV, and NASB Bibles, you are saying John is Jesus!!! (According to the JB and NJB you would be insisting that the angel is Jesus!)
For much more on “Alpha and Omega” in Rev. 22:13 see the rest of my study:
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….on.html [/url
Thanks tigger2. I will give it a read.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2014,10:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:23) So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices: 1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Obviously 2) Mike. Time travel because that supports the Trinity view while the other does not.
It does not. Many doctrines came out of the KJV. You can't blame the bible, but the false prophets.Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 08 2014,08:16) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2014,10:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:23) So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices: 1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Obviously 2) Mike. Time travel because that supports the Trinity view while the other does not.
It does not. Many doctrines came out of the KJV. You can't blame the bible, but the false prophets.
You mean that their was no bible before the KJVQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,16:40) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 08 2014,08:16) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2014,10:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:23) So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices: 1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Obviously 2) Mike. Time travel because that supports the Trinity view while the other does not.
It does not. Many doctrines came out of the KJV. You can't blame the bible, but the false prophets.
You mean that their was no bible before the KJV
T.Bible's were coming out from everywhere also back then.
Egypt;greece; rome; you name it.
Many bible's on the menu.
Everyone just take your pick, according to the taste
of each persons spirit.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2014,17:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:23) So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices: 1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Obviously 2) Mike. Time travel because that supports the Trinity view while the other does not.
Time travel indeed.Do you notice how Wakeup, while obviously still fully capable of TALKING, didn't have one word to say about those two choices?
Wakeup, without diverting away from the point, please tell us which one of the two choices makes more sense to YOU.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2014,10:37) MikeB. You are selfish in thinking.
Just becaue you happen to live in a rich country.
What about those poor peasants living in the third world countries?
And what if those poor peasants are given the NIV, instead of the KJV? Would that also be God's way of providing His written word to those who can't afford a computer?Or is it only God's will if the Bible they receive is the KJV?
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