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GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?
***I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he***.(AND *WITH* THE LAST)(I AM HE).
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, *AND* his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
***I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is
no God***.Revelation 1:11 Saying, ***I am Alpha and Omega, the
first and the last***:
and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; ***I am *THE* first and *THE* last***:
Revelation 1:18
***I am he that liveth, AND WAS DEAD***;
and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.Revelation 22:13 ***I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last***.All you can do now is to go shopping around to find some contradictions to those statements. Because you hate to see that.
One popular RESPOND is to say; they are added on,
or wrongly translated by the kjv. Do your best.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Do you know that alpha is the first letter of the Koine Greek alphabet and Omega is the last letter?
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Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.yes,this to me is correct and true , BUT THERE ARE TWO ;ALPHA'S AND TWO OMEGA'S
NOT ONE .
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2014,23:46) Wakeup, Do you know that alpha is the first letter of the Koine Greek alphabet and Omega is the last letter?
Kerwin.Yes I know.
The first=alpha. the last =omega.
The beginning and the end.
Notice this: The first *WITH* the last.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,02:06) w Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.yes,this to me is correct and true , BUT THERE ARE TWO ;ALPHA'S AND TWO OMEGA'S
NOT ONE .
T.Is that so?
Please explain.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,02:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,02:06) w Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.yes,this to me is correct and true , BUT THERE ARE TWO ;ALPHA'S AND TWO OMEGA'S
NOT ONE .
T.Is that so?
Please explain.wakeup.
w
GOD;
the alpha means the beginning of his creation and the OMEGA THE end of his resting day of creation ,CHRIST the alpha means his beginning as his creation as THE WORD of GOD and the omega is when HE TURN HIMSELF TO HIS GOD IN FULL SUBMISSION AND FINISHED HIS WORK FOR HIS GOD AND FATHER ;THEN “GOD HIS ALL IN ALL “
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,03:14) Revelation 1:11 Saying, ***I am Alpha and Omega, the
first and the last***:
and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Revelation 22:13 ***I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last***.All you can do now is to go shopping around to find some contradictions to those statements. Because you hate to see that.
One popular RESPOND is to say; they are added on,
or wrongly translated by the kjv. Do your best.
The Alpha and Omega part of 1:11 was added at a late date.From the TRINITARIAN scholar Adam Clarke:
Verse 11: I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last…..
“This whole clause is wanting in ABC, thirty-one others; some editions; the Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, Armenian, Slavonic, Vulgate, Arethas, Andreas, and Primasius. Griesbach has left it out of the text.”
Do you know when the Latin Vulgate was produced? In the late 4th century. That's way earlier than the KJV was translated, right? So why doesn't this EARLIER version have those extra words?
And the Coptic translation is even older than the Vulgate – and IT doesn't have those words either.
In fact, EVERY translation listed in the green type above is way OLDER than the KJV – and NONE OF THEM have those words, Wakeup.
And the vast majority of the Greek mss don't have them either. NONE of the earliest Greek mss have them.
So once again, it's not very hard to see what happened here. These are our two choices:
1. A scribe ADDED those words at a much later date.
2. Someone WENT BACK IN TIME and ERASED those words from all of the older mss and translations.
Whether or not you'll ever admit it, you know in your heart of hearts which of the two is the ONLY possibility. The translators of the more recent English Bibles also know which one is the ONLY possibility – which is why you won't see those words in any of the more recent English Bibles.
As for 22:13, those words were said by Jehovah – not Jesus.
Perhaps tigger will be willing to help you out on this one, since he has written extensively about it on his blog site.
But just out of curiosity, are you saying that Jesus actually IS God? I ask, because you flip-flop back and forth on this question all the time. Sometimes you say he isn't, but this very thread seems to be designed to prove he is.
Mikeb.
As I have said.
Someone will come and say that it was added.
Coptic christians believe that lillith was Adams first wife.
And she is a spirit evil woman.
You are absorbing words of them antichrists,and believe their testimony,rather than the scriptures.What about the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last in the book of revelation?
What has the coptics have to say about that?A car consist of a body and an engine.
The engine alone is not a car.
The engine is an engine.God is a Spirit:
The spirit and His word is God.
His Word alone is not God,but the Spirit's Word.
The spirit speaks through His Word: I am the Alpha and the Omega,the first and the last.
Beside me there is no god.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,09:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,02:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,02:06) w Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.yes,this to me is correct and true , BUT THERE ARE TWO ;ALPHA'S AND TWO OMEGA'S
NOT ONE .
T.Is that so?
Please explain.wakeup.
w
GOD;
the alpha means the beginning of his creation and the OMEGA THE end of his resting day of creation ,CHRIST the alpha means his beginning as his creation as THE WORD of GOD and the omega is when HE TURN HIMSELF TO HIS GOD IN FULL SUBMISSION AND FINISHED HIS WORK FOR HIS GOD AND FATHER ;THEN “GOD HIS ALL IN ALL “
T.Are you saying that the *creation* is another alpha,and omega?
Can you show scriptures?
Or retract your claim.wakeup.
From the OP:
Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?
***I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he***.(AND *WITH* THE LAST)(I AM HE).
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, *AND* his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
***I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is
no God***.Revelation 1:11 Saying, ***I am Alpha and Omega, the
first and the last***:
and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; ***I am *THE* first and *THE* last***:
Revelation 1:18
***I am he that liveth, AND WAS DEAD***;
and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.Revelation 22:13 ***I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last***.All you can do now is to go shopping around to find some contradictions to those statements. Because you hate to see that.
One popular RESPOND is to say; they are added on,
or wrongly translated by the kjv. Do your best.wakeup.
……………………..
“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,
“This wording at the beginning of the KJV's version of Rev. 1:11 is not found in virtually any ancient texts, nor is it mentioned, even as a footnote, in any modern translation or in Bruce Metzger's definitive A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition, New York: United Bible Societies, 1994” – http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/rev01v11.htm " class="bbcode-link"> http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/rev01v11.htm
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“There are only three pre-ninth century Greek MSS which attest to this passage [Rev. 1:11], and all three of them omit the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” In addition, many later MSS and versions also omit. Hodges & Farstad's “Majority” text omits, and Robinson & Pierpont's “Byzantine/Majority” text omits. Thus whether one bases one's text largely on pre-ninth century MSS, or whether one bases one's text on the Majority of Greek MSS, either way, this phrase should be omitted.”
-Steven Craig Miller – http://lists.ibiblio.org/piperma….ent.htm " class="bbcode-link"> http://lists.ibiblio.org/piperma….ent.htmThis truth is easily looked up by anyone interested. If, on the other hand, you happen to be a KJV-onlyist, let me know and I have another question for you.
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Jesus is never clearly called the Alpha and Omega as God is. It does appear to be a unique title for God.As for “the first and the last,” however, it appears to be more of a description (“only”).
Jehovah calls himself Protos kai ego meta tauta – “First and I [am] hereafter” – Septuagint, Is. 44:6; whereas Jesus calls himself ho protos kai ho eskatos – “The first and the last” – somewhat similar descriptions but much different wording.
Just what the “only” is referring to must be discerned by the reader. Jesus, for example is the “only-begotten Son of God,” the only one to die for all mankind, the only person resurrected directly by God Himself (which context implies at Rev. 1:17, 18), etc.
God is the only person who has always existed, who is the only true God (John 17:3), etc.
As for Rev. 22:13, a number of trinitarian-translated Bibles show that whoever was speaking in that verse was not the speaker at Rev. 22:16 (Jesus).
The RSV, NRSV, NASB, NEB, REB, NKJV, and NAB (1991 ed.) show (by quotation marks and indenting) that Rev. 22:14 and 15 are not the words of the speaker of verses 12 and 13 but are John’s words. (The Jerusalem Bible and the NJB show us that the angel spoke all the words from verse 10 through verse 15.) Then they show Jesus as a new speaker beginning to speak in verse 16.
So, if you must insist that the person speaking just before verse 16 is the same person who is speaking in verse 16, then, according to the trinitarian NEB, RSV, NKJV, and NASB Bibles, you are saying John is Jesus!!! (According to the JB and NJB you would be insisting that the angel is Jesus!)
For much more on “Alpha and Omega” in Rev. 22:13 see the rest of my study:
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….on.html [/urlQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,17:08) Mikeb. As I have said.
Someone will come and say that it was added.
But was what I said WRONG? Was it flawed information? Or were you able to LEARN a couple of things you didn't know before?Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,17:08) Coptic christians believe that lillith was Adams first wife.
And she is a spirit evil woman.
You are absorbing words of them antichrists,and believe their testimony,rather than the scriptures.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about a translation of the Greek NT into the Coptic language in the third century A.D. The TRANSLATION only, Wakeup – not the personal beliefs of people who call themselves “Coptic Christians”.Does the fact that many TRINITARIANS read the KJV make the KJV itself “wrong”?
Wakeup,
You didn't answer my last question: Is this thread designed to prove to us that Jesus actually IS God Almighty Himself?
I prefer either a YES or a NO – as opposed to an analogy about a car.
Tigger.
If one truly knows the Son and the Father,
He can see that as weakness,and ignorance,
for no one knows the Son,and no one knows the Father,
But He whom the Son will reveal him.This is not about the trinity;I am not for the trinity.
Revelation is from God to his Word/Jesus,and He send his angel to speak to John.
You believe them that are against the Word of God.
They are the ANTI CHRISTS,THE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING INFILTRATING THE CHURCH OF GOD.
And their words to you must be the truth.First you must know who the son is and who the Father is,
Then you can understand the meaning of this statement.
I AM THE FIRST AND *WITH* THE LAST.
I AM HE THAT IS ALIVE AND WAS DEAD.Put your faith in the scriptures,not in men.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Colossians 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Devils have come into the Church of God.
Dont ignore this warning.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,18:09) Revelation is from God to his Word………
Huh?God has to tell His word what His words are?
If both God and His Word are the Alpha and Omega, then they should know the same things, right? Why then did God have to TELL his Word what Words to say to the angel?And out of all the Words God told to the angel, why is only one of them a “living part of God Himself” – and the rest of them are just words? Or is EVERY word God speaks also the Alpha and Omega?
Confusion Babylon, if you ask me. Wakeup, you have gotten yourself so mired in muck that you can't think straight anymore.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,17:08) Mikeb. As I have said.
Someone will come and say that it was added.
But was what I said WRONG? Was it flawed information? Or were you able to LEARN a couple of things you didn't know before?Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,17:08) Coptic christians believe that lillith was Adams first wife.
And she is a spirit evil woman.
You are absorbing words of them antichrists,and believe their testimony,rather than the scriptures.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about a translation of the Greek NT into the Coptic language in the third century A.D. The TRANSLATION only, Wakeup – not the personal beliefs of people who call themselves “Coptic Christians”.Does the fact that many TRINITARIANS read the KJV make the KJV itself “wrong”?
Mikeb.Anything coming from Egypt is antiChrist.
Anything coming from the scribes is antichrist.
Dont put your faith in them.
There are many antichrists,you must adhere what the scriptures says. Dont ignore good advise.1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there **many antichrists**; whereby we know that it is the last time.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,10:50) Wakeup, You didn't answer my last question: Is this thread designed to prove to us that Jesus actually IS God Almighty Himself?
I prefer either a YES or a NO – as opposed to an analogy about a car.
Mikeb.You expect me to answer a mystery with a yes or no.
But you can fill up pages.The Word of God is the Word that *belongs* to God.
The right hand of God *belongs* to God.
The Word by itself is NOT God.
The hand itself is NOT God.
What God wants said in His mind,the Word utters it.
The Word does not tell God,but God tells His Word what to say.God commands through his own Word.I AM THE FIRST ***WITH*** THE LAST.
explanation to the meaning:
I AM THE FIRST, **AND WITH MY WORD**,THE LASTwakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,05:12) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,09:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,02:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,02:06) w Quote GOD AND HIS WORD/JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.yes,this to me is correct and true , BUT THERE ARE TWO ;ALPHA'S AND TWO OMEGA'S
NOT ONE .
T.Is that so?
Please explain.wakeup.
w
GOD;
the alpha means the beginning of his creation and the OMEGA THE end of his resting day of creation ,CHRIST the alpha means his beginning as his creation as THE WORD of GOD and the omega is when HE TURN HIMSELF TO HIS GOD IN FULL SUBMISSION AND FINISHED HIS WORK FOR HIS GOD AND FATHER ;THEN “GOD HIS ALL IN ALL “
T.Are you saying that the *creation* is another alpha,and omega?
Can you show scriptures?
Or retract your claim.wakeup.
wyou have to take in consideration my believe when i answer you ,not yours
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,02:47) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2014,23:46) Wakeup, Do you know that alpha is the first letter of the Koine Greek alphabet and Omega is the last letter?
Kerwin.Yes I know.
The first=alpha. the last =omega.
The beginning and the end.
Notice this: The first *WITH* the last.wakeup.
Wakeup,If the same letter is both the first and last letter of an alphabet then how many letters are there in that alphabet?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2014,11:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2014,18:09) Revelation is from God to his Word………
Huh?God has to tell His word what His words are?
If both God and His Word are the Alpha and Omega, then they should know the same things, right? Why then did God have to TELL his Word what Words to say to the angel?And out of all the Words God told to the angel, why is only one of them a “living part of God Himself” – and the rest of them are just words? Or is EVERY word God speaks also the Alpha and Omega?
Confusion Babylon, if you ask me. Wakeup, you have gotten yourself so mired in muck that you can't think straight anymore.
You see Mike; How you are still far from understanding
this great mystery. Is this because of your deep involment with those wolves in sheeps clothing?
Is this because you consider them your source of truth.
I think so.What I had quoted was right;dont be shocked and fall off your chair; because you can not see through the layers of fabric.
Your MIND tells your hand/finger what button to press.
And the computer will do the job,bringing it to view.
Picture that: you; your hand; and the computer is one person.You are always in command.The Mind.
Your hand follow your mind's instructions,which button to press.
The computer is your wisdom.Those three are one; working in harmony. But the hand is not the mind;the computer is not the hand.The mind =God He is a spirit.
The hand is His Word.(God always use his Word).
The Computer is the Spirit of Wisdom and truth=Holy Spirit.
Our teacher in things pertaining to God and heaven.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2014,13:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,02:47) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2014,23:46) Wakeup, Do you know that alpha is the first letter of the Koine Greek alphabet and Omega is the last letter?
Kerwin.Yes I know.
The first=alpha. the last =omega.
The beginning and the end.
Notice this: The first *WITH* the last.wakeup.
Wakeup,If the same letter is both the first and last letter of an alphabet then how many letters are there in that alphabet?
Kerwin.Actually it has nothing to do with the alphabet.
God is just claiming that HE is the first and the last.
There are no other real gods in between the first and the last.I AM THE FIRST **WITH** THE LAST.
THE WORD WAS **WITH**GOD.In the ***beginning*** was the Word (THE LAST)
Note: BEGINNING. (GOD HAS NO BEGINNING).And the Word *WAS* GOD.(THE FIRST).
(FROM EVERLASTING).
Note: **WAS** GOD.(the first).I know it is still too hard for you to see deep into this mystery. No offence.You can call me a weirdo if you wish.
wakeup.
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