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Hi BD,
Lazarus was not reborn of the Spirit.
He died.The Spirit was not poured out till later when Jesus returned to the Father. [jn7, 14, 15, 16. Acts 2]]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,16:51) Hi BD,
Lazarus was not reborn of the Spirit.
He died.The Spirit was not poured out till later when Jesus returned to the Father. [jn7, 14, 15, 16. Acts 2]]
Then How did John the Baptist have the Spirit or many others during the life of Jesus?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,17:03) HI bd,
PROPHETS SHARE THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.
1 PETER 1
REV19
John had the HOLY SPIRITQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,18:09) Hi BD,
John had the Spirit as a prophet.
John has the Holy Spirit and so did others. John comes from the Hebrew name meaning “God is gracious, merciful”.Luke 1
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
67And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,19:29) Hi BD,
But the least in the kingdom is greater than John.
The Son is above all
under God.
The Son WAS under God in the days of His flesh. He is NOW EQUAL with God until He WILLINGLY puts Himself under God again. Paul said that God is not all in all until the Son delivers up the kingdom. Until then Christ is all in all.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 01 2009,04:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,19:29) Hi BD,
But the least in the kingdom is greater than John.
The Son is above all
under God.
The Son WAS under God in the days of His flesh. He is NOW EQUAL with God until He WILLINGLY puts Himself under God again. Paul said that God is not all in all until the Son delivers up the kingdom. Until then Christ is all in all.thinker
Paul never said, that God is not all in all.Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 01 2009,04:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,19:29) Hi BD,
But the least in the kingdom is greater than John.
The Son is above all
under God.
The Son WAS under God in the days of His flesh. He is NOW EQUAL with God until He WILLINGLY puts Himself under God again. Paul said that God is not all in all until the Son delivers up the kingdom. Until then Christ is all in all.thinker
Hi TT,
So Christ is under God and not God?Hi TT,
You are right.
Scripture says God is the head of Christ.
So this trinity theory is looking pretty tatty so best just believe Jesus-he is the Son of God.Christ cannot be God according to his own words. Jesus says that the Father is greater than him, how is it that anything can be greater than God?
But Most of all for Jesus to be God he would have to be “All Knowing” and Yet, Jesus does not know “The Hour”
Matthew 25:12-14 (King James Version)
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh
Mark 13
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.So it is clear that Jesus does not know what The Father knows and therefore he cannot be God.
Also Jesus did not know that there were no figs on the fig tree that he cursed
Mark 11:12-14 (King James Version)
12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
Not only did Jesus not know there were no figs on the tree he didn't know that they were out of season. If Jesus was God he would have known since he would have created the seasons, plus he would be cursing the fig tree for obeying its natural law. Jesus did not know and therefore cannot be God.
Now the strongest evidence of all is after Jesus admitted to not knowing the Hour, he made a prediction of the hour and it did not occur.
Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
I think it is safe to say that everyone standing there at that time has died and he has not yet returned.
Luke 21:31-33 (King James Version)
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
It would be safe to say that “generation” has passed.
and do not try to say he is speaking of some future generation because he also made that clear
Luke 17:24-26 (King James Version)
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
So these are the same and this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is not God.
DB……….are you a Muslim or a Christian, you sound many times like a Christian. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
Quote (Gene @ Aug. 19 2009,13:49) DB……….are you a Muslim or a Christian, you sound many times like a Christian. IMO peace and love………………..gene
I have been a Christian all my life and have studied the Holy Bible for over 30 years reading it from front to back both the version withh 66 books and the version with 73 books. I was led by The Holy Spirit to study the Quran around 5 years ago and on my initial reading I was in tears because it confirmed the Holy Bible to me in away that I can not quite convey in words. Some parts were shocking and unsettling to me but because of my years of intense study God enlightened me and put everything together for me. So generally I say I followed Christ into Islam meaning I learned to Submit to God through Christ.I have never hated people for whatever they believe so when I approached Islam and The Quran I didn't go to it with an impure heart or preconceived notion of what it should say or not say, God guided me to read it and I did. People are so into words so when they hear the word Muslim it conjures up all sorts of things in their head but the word simply means Submitter just as Islam simply means peace just like shalom or salem. So I could just say I submit to God in Peace or I am at peace in God or with God.
So often I say that I am a Christian-Muslim, not as yet another denomination but as a continuation of my belief.
I do believe that the proliferation of Christian denominations is a sure sign that they have not submitted in peace to God.
I also believe most of the answers that Christians struggle with are in the Quran when read with a pure heart.
It is almost like christianity has become like new age religion and the Quran pulls one back to the basics and dispells the myths and added mysticisms. I speak and teach everyday on these issues and although I own a business I spend most of my time sharing the word of God as God gives it to me.
Just sharing a bit with you hope you don't mind the long answer.
God Bless you Always! I love you!
Hi BD,
Your master would offer judgements against God's servants and corrections to the words of the Spirit of God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2009,07:58) Hi BD,
Your master would offer judgements against God's servants and corrections to the words of the Spirit of God?
You mean like when Jesus and the Gospel judges and corrects in the NT or when Paul does so again correcting and Judging the word of God throwing out covenants that God Himself called Everlasting Covenants?DB…………Thanks for the incites of your Faith. I also see (modern Christianity) with it thousands of different Denomination as a Shame, of delusions. But I also see that the Truth is still there if one has eyes to see and ears to hear. Years ago I read a tract published by some Muslin organization, which counter the TRINITY teaching and i and a friend of mine both agreed it made good sense to us both even though we are both Christians. I really don't even like labeling people as Muslim or Christians or what ever, I prefer us all to Just Love the Truth and the Truth was definitely Spoken by Jesus. I can't say the same by Mohammad though. He lived a very violent life as I understand it, but Jesus did not live that kind of life. IMO
Any way thanks for sharing with Us, peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (Gene @ Aug. 20 2009,12:33) DB…………Thanks for the incites of your Faith. I also see (modern Christianity) with it thousands of different Denomination as a Shame, of delusions. But I also see that the Truth is still there if one has eyes to see and ears to hear. Years ago I read a tract published by some Muslin organization, which counter the TRINITY teaching and i and a friend of mine both agreed it made good sense to us both even though we are both Christians. I really don't even like labeling people as Muslim or Christians or what ever, I prefer us all to Just Love the Truth and the Truth was definitely Spoken by Jesus. I can't say the same by Mohammad though. He lived a very violent life as I understand it, but Jesus did not live that kind of life. IMO Any way thanks for sharing with Us, peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
I don't like the labeling myself either because people tend to taint labels So I agree with you. Muhammad led a life similar to Moses who also took his people out of Idolatory and taught them how to Worship The One True God. Intially the Muslims would not fight back they would just be killed. Then the verse was revealed to Muhammad39 To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;-
40 (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, “our Lord is Allah.. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).Sura #22
Muhammad by the way is not the Author of The Quran it was simply given to him as revealed by The Angel Gabriel to him. Muhammad is only mentioned by name in The Quran 4 times, Jesus is mentioned over 26 times.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2009,04:38) I do believe that the proliferation of Christian denominations is a sure sign that they have not submitted in peace to God.
Sunni
Hanafi, Malikis, Shafi’is, Hanbalis, Wahhabism are a few of the variants here.Shia
Jaafaris, Druze, Yezids, Alawi, Alevis (sects of Shia)Sufi
I believe that Islam has it's own share of divisions and are certainly not in peace to God either.
Quote (Cato @ Aug. 20 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2009,04:38) I do believe that the proliferation of Christian denominations is a sure sign that they have not submitted in peace to God.
Sunni
Hanafi, Malikis, Shafi’is, Hanbalis, Wahhabism are a few of the variants here.Shia
Jaafaris, Druze, Yezids, Alawi, Alevis (sects of Shia)Sufi
I believe that Islam has it's own share of divisions and are certainly not in peace to God either.
are you really trying to compare 10 slight variations to 39,000 or more?By the Way Sufi's are part of Orthodox Islam
But even a few is considered wrong according to the Glorious Quran
(1) As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159)(5) But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself.
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #53)30 So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) Allah.s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah. that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.
31 Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,-
32 Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
Sura #30
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