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Nick,
False teaching about and the church with the true teaching is hidden in her place, wherever that may be. Her children are scattered among the pretenders, whether they claim to be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or something else. Things do not look good but a time will when the church will come fore and God will summon her children from the nations. That day will be glorious though it is followed by persecution; for the world and those of the world cannot suffer the truth.
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
Yes your false teachers attempt to copy the sacred words so you should expect to find similarities.
It further honours our God that they are forced to attempt to gain kudos by so doing.
But the philosophical words you offer are dead , a wasteland of uselessness.
Your accusations make no sense there is no other Holy Book on the planet that is so exact and pure in detail a person would need all 73 books of the bible to get even close to the detail, just remember a bible is a collection of books not a single book….there is no religious book on the face of the earth like the Quran, it could have never been compiled from biblical sources as there were not even many biblical sources available if it occured today you might even had a point but in Muhammad’s day the printing press hadn’t even been invented yet and mostly only the priests or scholars had access to scriptures and no amount of knowing a Christian or Jew could equal the wealth of knowledge not only written but memorized by 10,000,000 people at any given time people of all ages, young and old with all the exact memorized arabic language with no variations, the Quran is a miracle in itself it is the Final Word of God
Hi Kerwin
Bodhitharta,
It may be called figurative to claim that those who sin are the children of the Devil because they do his work but remember a man that raises you can be called your father even when you are not flesh of his flesh and blood of his blood.
I totally agree with the idea of the usage of the word but people like yourself can use terms and have the sophistication to understand that they are figures of speech and such. I can’t overestimate enough that the average person looks only on the surface and what they hear this is why it is easy tell people things if you go outside right now and make up some story and tell someone you just saw it on the news before too long 20 people will believe something that never happened and then perhaps 1 of those people will actually check and have one heck of a time trying to convince the other 19 that it never happened and that is why bearing false witness is so dangerous.
When the catholic church had those councils and agreed to preach the trinity these were the keepers/the watchers they betrayed the trust of God and now no matter how hard you try in the Christian world the TRINITY is the Dominant concept. Then you get people like Nick who wants to think they have it all together but won’t take steps needed to change the dominant construct because you can’t do it with remnants of the dominant construct inside yourself….you can’t keep saying you don’t believe in the trinity but you believe that there are actual other Gods that exist, as long as anyone can say I have a different God they have missed the point of 100% Monotheism because i don’t care what religion a person claims whether they be hindu, trinitarian, taoist or whatever I can only approach them about their construct or perception of God because there is no doubt whatever occurs in this world is within the grasp of The One and Only God because there is no other.
Hi BD,
The spirit of deception does not have to doing anything very clever to fool most men.
The way had spread far and wide before your guys stared writing.
Test the spirits.
Hi BD,
Those in the Body of Christ are not trying to correct the direction of the whore.
They have come out of her.
Hi Marty
Hi BD:
I am having difficulty trying to find your last response to me, but if I am understanding you correctly, you are trying to equate the fact that in this world the man bears the seed of pro-creation, to God and what He can and cannot do? Am I correct?
Actually that is not what I am saying I am saying God has no gender, He is not a man nor a son of man and He does not multiply Himself, He is God Alone He is the uncreated.It’s not a matter of what God can do it is a matter of what He tells us He does and He tells us He is The Creator and that His ways are higher than ours. I am saying that the Bible calls angels, and humans sons of God and the Quran is simply purging the incorrect information that the scribes have used.
God’s seed is His Word. And as John 1 has it “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was God.”
First of all I have contended that John 1:1 is not an addition to Genesis it is simply poetry for “The Beginning” of the Gospel not the beginning of Creation….but if I take it to mean what you are saying the word would be the power not any seed with Mary God would simply say “BE” and she would be pregnant no need for any seed at all what seed did God need to plant for Adam? God is Powerful:
Surah 3 (The Family of Imram)
58 “This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom.”
59The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.
60The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
Surah 3 (The Family of Imram)
47She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!
God gives life to the whole world as He, and HE alone is the creator, and there is noting too hard for Him to do.
Amen!
And so, yes, from the beginning God knew that all men would sin, and so, he had a plan of reconcile all men unto Himself, and that was to provide someone that would obey Him without sin even unto death, and without this there is no resurrection. Because the wages of sin is death, and death is spiritual separation from God because of sin, and if a man dies in sin, he is separated from God, and there would be no resurrection from the dead or accountability to God for the life that one has lived.
God has planned more than you or I could imagine and look at the irony for years Christians preached Jesus is the only way and without Jesus a person is hell bound and then suddenly the Jews and Christians love each other and the Christians won’t declare the Jews hell bound and the reason is, that is never what Jesus taught, Jesus taught righteousness and repentance the hellbound are those who forsake righteousness and love and instead follow the leanings of Satan which is the avowed enemy of mankind
But because there was one who obeyed God without Sin unto death on the cross, namely God’s uniquely begotten Son, who was not born of the sperm of man, but was a man nevertheless in every other way other than that, there is a resurrection from the dead through the risen Christ who sits at the right hand of God ready to make intercession for whosoever will come God believing with a repentant heart.
Jesus definitely has the right of intercession
None shall have the power of intercession, but such a one as has received permission (or promise) from the Most Gracious (Allah).
( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #87)
This does not mean no one else will have the power of intercession angels have done it in the past:
Isaiah 6:6-7King James Version (KJV)
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
This is the gospel, the good news, but because of the resurrection, there will also be an accountability to God for the life that we have lived in the day of judgment.
Yes, we agree that He has no gender, the scripture states that God is a Spirit, and God is love, and so, yes he has the attributes of a Father which he hopes that every man who pro-creates children by the sperm of man will have, but not all do. Although he has given the man that responsibility in this world.
If He has no gender then calling Him a Father is not accurate. He is God our Lord and Guardian
He is my Father, in that He has given me life through His seed, His eternal Word, and He has forgiven all of my sins, and has taught me through His Word, how to live in right standing with Him in this world, He has corrected me many a time since I have been reconciled to Him through His Son, because any Father who loves his son will do this, and He has provided me with all of my needs in this world, and He has given me the hope of eternal life in the World to come.
Sounds like an AWESOME Guardian in The Quaran the word Rabb is Arabic is used it is similar to how you would use Abba but there is no adequate english translation except by what it means The Quran, in Surah Fatihah, introduces this name in the beginning, “All praise and gratitude is due to Allah, Rabb of all the worlds.” Note that it mentions “Rabb of all the worlds”, thus stating clearly that he takes care, nourishes, fosters through every stage of existence, everything that exists.
In other words He is much more than a Father or a Mother
And Jesus said the following:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
When God sends any of His messengers they are the way the truth and the life as Jesus said “while I am in the world I am the light of the world”
John-14-7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Yes they can see the evidence of God by seeing it through Christ
John-14-8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John-14-9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John-14-10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
He doeth the works indeed and because you see the works He has done through Christ their is no excuse not to believe that Jesus is Christ and sent from God as His Word and a spirit proceeding from Him
Love in Christ,
BodhithartaHi BD,
Why then do you ignore the teachings of the one you acknowledge as a messenger of God
and instead follow the deceived leadings/leanings of the god of this world?
Hi BD,
Amazing what determination to provide a counterfeit copy must have driven your leaders.
Rebellion and jealousy are powerful motivators.
Hi BD:
And so, from your response to me in your last post, if you believe that this is true. Why then do you not believe what God said through Jesus?
You said:
He doeth the works indeed and because you see the works He has done through Christ their is no excuse not to believe that Jesus is Christ and sent from God as His Word and a spirit proceeding from Him
Jesus called him Father, and said that he was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. The Body of Christ is God’s Holy Temple. It is God’s body.
The scripture states:
2Cor-5-18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
5-19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
And:
Acts-20-28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Do you believe that God sent your prophet to correct what He has spoken through Jesus?
Love in Christ,
MartyThanks for that advice. I am really having difficulty trying to get used to this new site.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty
Hi BD:
And so, from your response to me in your last post, if you believe that this is true. Why then do you not believe what God said through Jesus?
You said:
He doeth the works indeed and because you see the works He has done through Christ their is no excuse not to believe that Jesus is Christ and sent from God as His Word and a spirit proceeding from Him
Jesus called him Father, and said that he was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. The Body of Christ is God’s Holy Temple. It is God’s body.
The scripture states:
2Cor-5-18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
5-19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
And:
Acts-20-28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Do you believe that God sent your prophet to correct what He has spoken through Jesus?
Love in Christ,
Not to correct but to reveal what was not known or what was known to be made clear. The Quran does not say that Christians must convert to Islam just that they must follow what was given to them, but it explains what was given to them so that they do not transgress the boundaries of God in it are the warnings of what does transgress the boundaries. For instance although the Quran reveals that Jesus wasn’t crucified there is no penalty for not accepting that but in regards to the trinity there is a warning because it exceeds the boundaries to say God is 3 or 1 of 3 or anything that violates His Sovereignty.
Even Christianity is clear that those who are lawless and unrighteous shall not enter the kingdom of God but it doesn’t say if you are not a Christian you will go to hell this is a manufactured lie made by some Christians it is even being exposed today for they accept the Jews and Jews call Jesus a false prophet but Christians want to call Muhammad a false prophet this way God shows the hypocrisy of those who claim to do what is right they reject whatever hasn’t come to them first but what is funny is the Christians accept Jews who do not accept Christ Jesus and reject Muslims who do accept Christ Jesus so those who do this are exposed as hypocrites by their own standards. God is Most Wise
Hi BD,
But you have NOTHING to offer.
No joy peace. consolation , mercy or power.
Just subservience to a manmade philosophical religion.
HI Nick
Hi BD,
But you have NOTHING to offer.
No joy peace. consolation , mercy or power.
Just subservience to a manmade philosophical religion.
Islam has given me nothing but PEACE,MERCY,COMPASSION and Consolation…..I was happy already as a Christian but that next step of walking through that “door” was magnificent. Islam is the point of finally approaching God as a reconciled Human Being and Submitting to His will, there is nothing like it in Christianity because the Christian always feels one step away from God always at the point where intercession is needed because they refuse to Submit.
What intercession is needed for those who SUBMIT for intercession and law were for lawbreakers and those who are under sin. But those who submit to God have the STRONGEST HANDHOLD
Hi BD,
His will is reveled that you listen to and obey His Son Jesus Christ.
But you want to demur and correct the message?
Are you then all lawbreakers?
Hi BD,
So you think you can reconcile yourself?
You discard the mediator and wish to approach God on your own doubtful merits?
Hi Nick
Perhaps you do not love God enough to trust He will love you, your faith is lacking, yes you definitely need a mediator because you are like the disciples lacking enough faith to cast out demons and as you know Jesus said there lack of Faith was evil
God begets not, nor is he begotten (Qur’an,
112:3)
Evidence from the Qur’an
A common mistake among people is their thinking
of God as a super human being somewhere up in the
sky. Then they attribute all kinds of human
activity and relationships to God as if He was
like human beings. Once it is clear that humans
have children, such people conclude that God has
children too. But God declares this idea to be
false.
God tells us in His Book that there is nothing
like Him (see surah 42:11). God also says that
there is nothing comparable unto Him (112:4).
Surely, God is not a physical being. God tells
us:
“Vision comprehends Him not, but He
comprehends (all) vision” (Qur’an 6:103).
God declares that those who impute sons and
daughters to Him do so falsely and without
knowledge (see surah 6:100). The Qur’an appeals
to our reason by saying:
“The Originator of the heavens and the earth!
How can He have a child when he has no consort,
when He created all things and is Aware of all
things?” (6:101)
This is in obvious reply to those who may claim
that God has a literal son or daughter, terms
which in human languages mean the offspring of a
pair.
Some may say, however, that God can produce a
child without having a consort. In that case,
you are not speaking of a child but a creature of
God. In any case, God declares that He begets
not, nor is He begotten (surah 112:3).
Some may say that God has adopted a child. God
declares that this idea too lacks reason. Since
everyone already belongs to God, what then is the
point of adopting? God says:
“And they say: Allah has taken unto Himself a
son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in
the heaven and the earth are His. All are
subservient unto Him. The originator of the
heavens and the earth! When He decrees a thing,
He says unto it only: Be! and it is” (2:116-117).
The idea that people should be called children of
God is an erroneous one. Why not call them what
they are? They are mortals of God’s creating.
To those who say, “We are the sons of Allah and
His loved ones,” Allah tells us to say as
follows: “Why then does He chastise you for your
sins? Nay, you are but mortals of His creating”
(5:18).
God is not like humans to need children. God
declares that He is self-sufficient. He has no
need for such things (Qur’an 10:68).
It just so happens that people have a tendency to
regard righteous persons as children of God. But
God instructs us to call them not His children,
but His righteous servants. God says:
“And they say: The Beneficent has taken unto
Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those
whom they call sons) are honoured slaves; they
speak not until He has spoken, and they act by
His command” (21:26-27).
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