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Hi Nick
Hi BD,
I do not deny the one true God. But I do agree that your god is not our God.
Your god has no children.
But you do believe the Jews worship the same God and their perception of God has no room for Jesus Christ whom the entire Christianity is based on if you cannot see the absolute denial of reality on your part what can I say…..You will say Jesus is the ONLY WAY and then I say the Jews completely deny Jesus and you say what? Jesus is not the only way? It’s absolutely ridiculous but another thing you simply do not comprehend is PEOPLE TELL YOU what religion and what God they worship you don’t tell them….If a person says I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you can’t tell them they are wrong as far as what God it is, that’s just foolish talk. That would be like me insisting you worship a triune God although you tell me you do not…perhaps I should do that for a while so you can see how someone purposely saying false things feel.
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
Do you only have a CONCEPTUAL relationship with the one true God?
Shun other gods and get to know the God of Israel.
O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)
O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #122)
Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: “I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity, believe in my messengers, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #12)
We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them messengers, every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not – some (of these) they called impostors, and some they (go so far as to) slay.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #70)
By all accounts this is the ONE and ONLY GOD
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
If there is a son of perdition WHO is perdition?
Does the Bible tell you who the son of perdition is? will you have to speculate like so many of your brethren about most of what is not written
This is what the Bible says:
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.This would seem to point to Judas as that was the only one with Christ Jesus that was lost
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4King James Version (KJV)
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Before Islam was the big thing most anti-Catholics use to call this figure the Pope, that’s the thing with Christian futurists it’s always endless speculation the world is going to end in 2000 and then again in 2012 and Hitler is the Anti-Christ which is odd because He was killing Jews and was actually Christian and had some Christian support, Ronald reagan, Obama, several other famous politicians, russia was hot, all were supposed to be these ominous figures but the time passes by and it’s like who else can we find? That’s why scripture says:
Isaiah 44:24-26King James Version (KJV)
24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
Bodhitharta,
Perdition was a synonym for loss but it has not become the synonym for damnation.
Belial is worthless.
It is most likely personification of a abstract concept in both case but for all I know they could be the names of demons. That is academic as it does not change the meaning whether a demon or a personification.
Bodhitharta,
The default for humanity is they are the child of the Devil, as of the spirit but nevertheless they are still children of God, as of the act of creation.
It is foolish to show contempt for what God created.
Hi K
Bodhitharta,
The default for humanity is they are the child of the Devil, as of the spirit but nevertheless they are still children of God, as of the act of creation.
It is foolish to show contempt for what God created.
Allah doth wish to lighten your (difficulties): For man was created weak (in flesh).
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #28)
It is Allah Who created you in a state of (helpless) weakness, then gave (you) strength after weakness, then, after strength, gave (you weakness and a hoary head: He creates as He wills, and it is He Who has all knowledge and power.
( سورة الروم , Ar-Room, Chapter #30, Verse #54)
I wouldn’t say children of the devil because we are human beings designed a certain way and then we make choices, the devil can not be anyone’s father although you may be speaking figuratively, Satan can be guide or friend but not a Father nor a creator those who follow Satan do so at their own peril for he is man’s avowed enemy
So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: “Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?”
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #22)
“Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?-
( سورة يس , Ya Seen, Chapter #36, Verse #60)
Hi BD,
Yes your false teachers attempt to copy the sacred words so you should expect to find similarities.
It further honours our God that they are forced to attempt to gain kudos by so doing.
But the philosophical words you offer are dead , a wasteland of uselessness.
Bodhitharta,
It may be called figurative to claim that those who sin are the children of the Devil because they do his work but remember a man that raises you can be called your father even when you are not flesh of his flesh and blood of his blood.
Hi BD,
According to your addled logic to be a parent one needs to have a gender.
So what is the gender of perdition?
Or when you are making mischief perhaps you do not need to be consistent?
Hi BD,
So you would align with the Jewish people and claim that man can establish a relationship with God apart from the Way?
You somehow believe the perception of men is greater than the teachings of God?
Hi BD,
“We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.”
No we are not the children of a false god.
Neither are those of the true Israel.
Hi BD:
I am having difficulty trying to find your last response to me, but if I am understanding you correctly, you are trying to equate the fact that in this world the man bears the seed of pro-creation, to God and what He can and cannot do? Am I correct?
God’s seed is His Word. And as John 1 has it “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was God.”
God gives life to the whole world as He, and HE alone is the creator, and there is noting too hard for Him to do.
And so, yes, from the beginning God knew that all men would sin, and so, he had a plan of reconcile all men unto Himself, and that was to provide someone that would obey Him without sin even unto death, and without this there is no resurrection. Because the wages of sin is death, and death is spiritual separation from God because of sin, and if a man dies in sin, he is separated from God, and there would be no resurrection from the dead or accountability to God for the life that one has lived.
But because there was one who obeyed God without Sin unto death on the cross, namely God’s uniquely begotten Son, who was not born of the sperm of man, but was a man nevertheless in every other way other than that, there is a resurrection from the dead through the risen Christ who sits at the right hand of God ready to make intercession for whosoever will come God believing with a repentant heart.
This is the gospel, the good news, but because of the resurrection, there will also be an accountability to God for the life that we have lived in the day of judgment.
And so this was God’s plan for the redemption of mankind from the beginning of creation as the following scripture will show:
Eph-1-33 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:</span>
Eph-1-44 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:</span>
Eph-1-5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph-1-6Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph-1-7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph-1-8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph-1-9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph-1-10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
Yes, we agree that He has no gender, the scripture states that God is a Spirit, and God is love, and so, yes he has the attributes of a Father which he hopes that every man who pro-creates children by the sperm of man will have, but not all do. Although he has given the man that responsibility in this world.
He is my Father, in that He has given me life through His seed, His eternal Word, and He has forgiven all of my sins, and has taught me through His Word, how to live in right standing with Him in this world, He has corrected me many a time since I have been reconciled to Him through His Son, because any Father who loves his son will do this, and He has provided me with all of my needs in this world, and He has given me the hope of eternal life in the World to come.
And Jesus said the following:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John-14-7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John-14-8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John-14-9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John-14-10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Love in Christ,
MartyNick,
Are trinitarians the children of a false God as the God they worship is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, or Jesus. Their God is a one that is constructed by the words of human beings.
Muslims describe the same God but attribute words and actions that are not his to him.
Hi BD,
You think Ed mocks God?
But You mock God, His Son and His teachings from your exceedingly vulnerable position.
Hi KW,
God has revealed her heart of deception and showed that her fruit is vile.
But they will not come out.
Insecurity.
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