Giving Heed to Doctrines of Devils

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Comparing the doctrines of demons that come through the mouths of false religions adds nothing to truth.

    Jesus did not deny the existence of Beelzebub so should we prefer your teachings?

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     Jodi 
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    Jesus absolutely denied Beelzebub Nick!

    And before I get into that I just learned something new and fascinating of which makes the below scripture all the more clear.

    1 Timothy 1: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7 But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

    Pagans and likewise Jews who mingled with them, BELIEVED that FOODS had demons in them. When you got a tummy ache from food or even something much more severe, that was a demon in the food that now entered you!! Demons were believed to dwell in water, to dwell among gardens, etc.. and if you ate food like lettuce and got what we know as salmonella poisoning, they thought it was an evil spirit in you. If your baby died in your womb, that too was caused by a specific demon that had entered you and killed your baby.

    Deuteronomy 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

    God certainly cursed earth with harmful living creatures.

    Is salmonella a microscopic one celled organism that God created as a curse, that lives in animal and human intestines?

    Or as pagans and Jews believed, is what we call salmonella a wicked entity against God and against man that enters you and makes you sick?

    Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD DO ALL these things.

    Exodus 4: 11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

    Abyzou is a Judaic female demon responsible for miscarriages, do you believe in Abyzou Nick?

    Exodus 23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee. 26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

    Abezethibou is a Judaic/Christian demon who was the god who hardened Pharaohs heart and was against Israel.

    Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

    It was clearly the ONE TRUE GOD that hardened the Pharaohs heart!

    Jews mingled with heathens and shared their beliefs in demons, they just like you Nick have turned God and His Holy angels who curse with a righteous purpose into being wicked entities against God and against man.

    You all CLEARLY DENY the written word of God. God said He would CURSE, and He also said that He would have mercy and HEAL. He even promised that of the seed of David he would anoint a person to come and display God’s mercy and heal people, and by that you would KNOW that God’s kingdom is at hand. 

    Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods*, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

    Curses from God were called demons or unclean spirits in the NT. To the pagans these demons CAME FROM false gods and their wicked spirits that they controlled. Paul tells us DIRECTLY that LIARS, hypocritical Jews made up doctrines of demons that resembled heathen beliefs and were nothing more than fables. This is because Paul believed in the WORD of God that He had spoken to the Israelites back in the time of Moses.

    Nick you have departed from the faith and believe in doctrines of demons, LIES created by hypocrites, men who are adulterers to God.

     

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     Jodi 
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    Nick,

    God MADE VARIOUS unclean spirits, the one celled organism called Salmonella is ONE of them!!

    Demons as defined by pagans and also Jews who mingled with pagans defined sickness and diseases as coming from evil spirits that entered you.

    Not much was known back then, men relied on their IMAGINATION and invented false gods and false demons. 

    God however has given man the wisdom to see exactly what causes illnesses and diseases!  Viruses and bacteria.

    Rabies was believed to be caused by a wicked spirit, but this demon as all other demons is NOT a wicked spirit who is against God and man, this demon is a VIRUS created by God as a curse on mankind. 

    “Rabies may begin with a fever, headache, and a general feeling of illness (malaise). Most people become restless, confused, and uncontrollably excited. Their behavior may be bizarre. They may hallucinate and have insomnia. Saliva production greatly increases. Spasms of the muscles in the throat and larynx occur because rabies affects the area in the brain that controls swallowing, speaking, and breathing. The spasms can be excruciatingly painful. A slight breeze or an attempt to drink water can trigger the spasms. Thus, people with rabies cannot drink. For this reason, the disease is sometimes called hydrophobia (fear of water).

    As the disease spreads through the brain, people become more confused and agitated. Eventually, coma and death result. The cause of death can be blockage of airways, seizures, exhaustion, or widespread paralysis.”

    Imagine someone who has Rabies who ALSO believes in the false doctrine of demons, what kind of hallucinations might the virus bring them when they are under such false beliefs? What bizarre things they might say, I’d imagine they would profess that a demon is inside them, making others all the more convinced that a demon was inside them.

    I have already mentioned, which Nick you did not comment on.

    People have diseases of the BRAIN which causes them to have split personalities, certain personalities that switch on and off, certain personalities where they speak in all matter of delusions. These personalities can differ quite a bit, sometimes they are even identified as the opposite sex of what they are, often times one seems of a good character while the other is a bad character, they even make the tone of their voice change. Take a person who has a split personality like this who also believes in fake demons and it is embedded into their subconscious. These people act like and speak like all that people have IMAGINED what a demon possessed person would be like, but the TRUTH is there is NO wicked spirit that entered in them, they are under a curse by God a curse like that of rabies where there is an infirmity in their brain causing them to be delusional.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jodi….I also agree with what you posted, many things people believe as demonic are actually things God is causing in their lives, because of what they are doing. A lot of people want to think it is the result of some unseen “demonic” beings causing it when all along it is God the Father himself doing it because of our sin. I blame myself for causing most of my problems, or God wanting to teach me something, i need to learn, as a decipline action.

    Good post Jodi.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick…I do believe there are good and evil spirits, but the evil is what we bring into our lives same as the good, if we sow to the evil it will over take us, and eventually control our thinking, same applies to the good. I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS SOME HOW GOING TO DISADVANTAGE US, by allowing free radical, demonic beings, to come along and jump in and out of us, providing us with some excuse for our behaviors.

    That is another reason i believe spirits are simply atributes reflected by types and kind of intellects that can greately effect oue behaviors.

    It simply boils down to what good or evil we are allowing into our lives or God is allowing in our lives. God i believe does not judge us by what some evil creature is doing in our lives, he judges us by our own doings. We all need to take full responsibility for our action, Rather good or evil brother.

    I also believe the Jew’s created the concept of blaming their problems on some kind of demonic activity, because the did not want admit most of their problems were comming from what they were doing, in sinning against God.

    I also believe evil can be removed from a person by God and that person can be restored also, by God the Father.

    This is a very intresting thread Nick, i sense the spirit of truth working here, i think we can all grow from it brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    No question that God is in charge.

    No question that Jesus declared all foods to be clean.

    But your long posts trying to discredit the work and teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ are wasted.

    Offering the scientific view over his words will always find popular support.

    Those whom the Son sets free are free indeed.

    His words are spirit and life.

    He is truth.

     

    The New Testament enlightens the Old, not vice versa.

     

    #830383
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Where did Jesus deny the existence of Beelzebub?

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     Jodi 
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    Hi Nick,

    Could you please respond to these specific scriptures and how they fit into your beliefs. Likewise can you answer my question below in regards to mercy?

    Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD DO ALL these things.

    Exodus 4: 11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

    Deuteronomy 32:let them rise up and help you, and be your protection. 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

    Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

    Matthew 17:Matthew 17:14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying, 15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. 16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not CURE him. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. 18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

    Luke 4: 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

    Psalm 6:2 Have mercy on me, O LORD, for I am weak; O LORD, heal me, for my bones are troubled.

    Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

    What does the WORD MERCY IMPLY Nick? God cursed out of sin as a punishment, but God would turn and show mercy to those who would turn back to him, and by this you know the kingdom is at hand. However the self-righteous Jews believed that curses were a result of misfortune brought on by wicked angels.

    Matthew 12: 22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    Jesus knew their thoughts, Jesus can’t be under the power and direction of Beelzebub because as he knew their thoughts, he knew THEY BELIEVED that Beelzebub was wicked and that all his deeds were under a wicked purpose. If Jesus was healing people that would not be of the character of Beelzebub, thus he would be against Beelzebub and not for him, and thus his Kingdom would be divided. 

    Nick he is speaking saying that he KNOWS their thoughts, this does not EQUATE to he believes likewise in their thoughts, their thoughts were hypocritical, they were lies, these men were called by Jesus as snakes, and they were adulterers to God.

    He was telling them as in their own thoughts what they were saying didn’t even make sense, how could he who was giving mercy, be of Beelzebub, as he according to their beliefs, was not merciful, but wicked.

    The blind and dumb man was not made blind and dumb through a wicked purpose, but through God.

    God will have mercy on whom He chooses to have mercy, Jesus was sent to CURE giving such mercy, and by these works we know that the kingdom of God is at hand.

    Jeremiah 33:6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth. 7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first. 8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me. 9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

    Isaiah 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

    Jeremiah 14:19 Hast thou utterly rejected Judah? hath thy soul lothed Zion? why hast thou smitten us, and there is no healing for us? we looked for peace, and there is no good; and for the time of healing, and behold trouble! 20 We acknowledge, O LORD, our wickedness, and the iniquity of our fathers: for we have sinned against thee. 21 Do not abhor us, for thy name’s sake, do not disgrace the throne of thy glory: remember, break not thy covenant with us. 22 Are there any among the vanities of the Gentiles that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? art not thou he, O LORD our God? therefore we will wait upon thee: for thou hast made all these things.

    TRUE BELIEVERS in the word of God know that God smites people, but they also know He also will have mercy and will turn and heal.

    Deuteronomy 32:let them rise up and help you, and be your protection. 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

    The Gentiles in their vanity along with the Jews that mingled believed in wicked demons that controlled the weather, but just as it is God that wounds and heals, that smites and then gives mercy, He also is the God that brings the rain and the sun.

    God smites, God curses, and God heals!

    Malachi 4:1  2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

    Luke 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them,What reason ye in your hearts? 23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? 24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. 25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. 26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Indeed Jesus Christ brought deliverance to the captives by the finger of God.

    ‘Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and power and he went

    about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.’

    God cursed because of Sin?

    Jn 9.2

    And his disciples asked him,

    ’Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?’

    Jesus answered,

    ’It is neither that this man sinned, nor his parents, but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him’

    Break out of the OT thinking and listen to the Spirit in Jesus Christ.

     

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Job 1.19

    And behold a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they died, and I, alone have escaped to tell you.

    When God withdrew the hedge and permitted Satan to work the storm arose and killed Job’s family.

    Fear God and pray for protection from Satan.

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    The God of Israel is merciful by His nature and He loves to heal and set people free.

    But they only have a few years to discover the salvation He offers in the Lord.

    He allows the work of Satan to rattle our cage and wake us out of slumber

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     Jodi 
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    Nick it is clear if you BEGIN to believe the words written in Exodus and Deuteronomy, but you would rather believe in the fables the Jews created when they mingled with Zoroastrianism and invented doctrines about demons. The Book of Enoch is the PERFECT example of their blasphemous fables. They invented fake demons with made up names where God’s powers that He ALONE has, that He uses under a RIGHTEOUS purpose, and gave them over to fake demons, where it is written in Enoch that these demons were the ones that gave men their  wisdom, they were in charge of the weather, they made the deaf, dumb and blind, they brought men to their grave. This is all complete blasphemy!!

    Exodus 4: 11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

    Deuteronomy 32 let them rise up and help you, and be your protection. 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

    Nick, Jesus was talking to idiots, those who he called BLIND hypocrates, vipers. He made a POINT to them ACCORDING to their belief to show that what they said ACCORDING to their beliefs was stupid, it didn’t even make sense, because the kingdom would fall if he were an agent ACCORDING to what they believed. This is why before he responds to them it is said that HE KNEW THEIR THOUGHTS and replied according to THEIR Beliefs, NOT his. He did not believe in Beelzebub, (for crying out loud Nick we are directly told he is a fake god in the OT). Jesus knew he was sent by God to deliver God’s MERCY. God wounded and Jesus was sent to heal.

    If a demon casts out a demon he is divided against himself and his kingdom will not stand.

    If an evil demon casts out an evil demon from a person the demon that cast out the demon is divided against himself. Why would a demon being evil want to cast out evil? …it makes no sense.

    But this is not the case, Jesus is not an evil demon working for an evil demon and he is not casting out an evil demon.

    Jesus is the messenger and bringer of mercy for God, and he is casting out what God had deemed as justifiable punishments under righteousness.

    Another thing to consider is that people who were ill, diseased, lunatics, were treated like less than dogs by the wicked rulers of that time. These adversaries, self-righteous vein hypocrites were OPPRESSING  those that God turned and showed mercy to. Those healed shall be their judges.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    No Jesus was not speaking according to the ideas of the pagan world he was walking in.

    He was led by the Holy Spirit and he spoke and did the actions that God purposed.

    Do you doubt that he spoke and set men free from Satan in the power of God?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    There is no darkness or shadow of turning in God or His inspired Son.

    You do need to decide whether Jesus or the world offers us the truth.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    If you say that Jesus spoke according to the beliefs of his listeners are you not putting sinful deceit in his mouth?

    1 Peter 2.21

    For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in his steps, who committed no sin, nor was there any deceit found in his mouth..

    If you put lies in his mouth are you not also accusing, or denying the Spirit that worked through him?

    Is that wise?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    You hate Enoch.

    He was a righteous servant of God.

    Do you deny he wrote the book that is quoted in Jude?

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     Jodi 
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    Nick, it was NOT an adversary to God, SHOW me in that passage where the adversary was against God and was doing wicked for wicked sake but God was allowing it.

    The adversary was following God’s instructions, it was an adversary to man. .

    Numbers 22: 22 And God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an SATAN against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

    Yah Nick it is the SAME word SAW-TAWN!! An angel of the LORD is a SATAN, because SATAN means ADVERSARY NOT a wicked angel or a wicked spirit being.

    Here we see God stir up a HUMAN SATAN,

    1 Kings 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king’s seed in Edom.

    and another,

    1 Kings 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:

    There exists NO passage in the OT that speaks of a SATAN who is identified as a spirit who is against God. The word SATAN should be rendered adversary in all cases and the surrounding text should be used to identify who the adversary is.

    You are DODGING all the scriptures that speak directly against your words. You accused Ed J of believing in VILE pagan doctrine, and you should really look in the mirror. You just turned a Holy Angel into a wicked one. Blasphemous! You speak EVIL of dignities, you speak evil of things you do not understand, because you deny the clear word.

    These DO NOT say that God “allows” wicked spirits to cast evil for wicked sake. God HIMSELF brings forth curses and it is done out of JUSTICE and RIGHTEOUSNESS for the purpose of punishment from sin and for  instruction. 

    Exodus 4: 11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

    Deuteronomy 32 let them rise up and help you, and be your protection. 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    God is in charge.

    But Satan is allowed the power of death. Heb 1.14

    God allows Satan to assail his servants that they are strengthened and made more useful to Him. Jn 15.2, 1 Peter 1.6,1 Peter 5.8

    But we can pray to be spared hard testing and for deliverance from evil. Matt 6.13

    You misjudge my word to Ed.

     

    Why do you insist we believe what you believe?

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick…there is no scripture that says Jesus himself believed, what those JEW’S, said CONCERNING A BEELZEBUB DEMONIC BEING. Jodi’s right brother, it’s God alone who does the judging and the punishing, for our sins, or for deciplining us. And the one who alone forgives us, and heals us.

    It’s for our ULTIMATE GOODM when he brings punishment on us. IMO. I think it is a big lie about God and Satan in this big good and evil contest, i don’t think that is the case. We are the problem it’s our own lusts that cause us to sin m and drag us into the dirt, not something else, it’s us brother, when were drug away from doing whats good.

    Think about what Jodi is saying Nick, she is presenting very strong points, and I am inclind to agree with her. I have also though that way for years now to.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Satan is not of God.

    Rev 12.7

    And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place for them found in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old, who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole earth; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

    Matt 25.41

    Then he will also say to those on his left,

    ’Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels..

    Rev 20.10

    And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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