Free Will?

[gollamudi]

Still it is a question for everybody unless he closes eyes and thinks his alone is the narrow way.

[terraricca]

goll

it is the choice we have that causes us to be one one or the other

[terraricca]

goll

i know wich is wich

[GeneBalthrop]

terraricca……….Instead of giving your versions of what you think we should do , it might be wise for you to apply it to yourself. It could save you a lot of grief. It seem you have taken the wide Gate most have taken. there is only a few here that seem to have taken the narrow gate, Accusing the brothers is a fruit of those who have taken the wide gate, While trying to get the splinter out of our eves, fail to see the beam in there own. IMO

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2010,14:01)

[ Your 'ideas' remind me of a question children sometimes ask. What does “God” want me to be when I grow up? How would you answer that question for the child? Looking forward to your answer! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED J…….I believe GOD has purpose for all his creation to become His Sons and Daughters. For whom He (God) foreknew he also predestined to become conformed into the image of his son. FOR IT IS GOD WHO WORKS (IN) US (BOTH) TO WILL AND DO OF HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

Don't know if this answers your question or not , if not then try to be more point specific, brother.

Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,11:04)

Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT.

Gene

Then Jesus words is a lie according to your belief!

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, “If ye continue in my word“, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and 'the truth shall make you free“….”If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be **free indeed**. John 8:31, 32, 36

According to you we are never really free!

Blessings WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:14)

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,11:04) Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT. Gene Then Jesus words is a lie according to your belief! Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, “If ye continue in my word“, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and 'the truth shall make you free“….”If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be **free indeed**. John 8:31, 32, 36 According to you we are never really free! Blessings WJ

Keith,

I am with Gene on this subject. There is no such thing as free will. The will is “free” only as it is led by the Spirit. So Gene's hypothesis that it is “influenced will” is correct.

But it is truly freedom.

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:32)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:14) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,11:04) Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT. Gene Then Jesus words is a lie according to your belief! Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, “If ye continue in my word“, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and 'the truth shall make you free“….”If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be **free indeed**. John 8:31, 32, 36 According to you we are never really free! Blessings WJ Keith, I am with Gene on this subject. There is no such thing as free will. The will is “free” only as it is led by the Spirit. So Gene's hypothesis that it is “influenced will” is correct. But it is truly freedom. thinker

Jack

If my will is not free, then I am not free indeed!

You are making a play on words.

When temptation comes, I have the ability to freely choose without succumbing to the influence of bad or evil!

Adam and Eve were perfect without any influence (Except that of Good) when the Tempter came!

Adam freely chose to sin by walking into the Temptation with his eyes wide open even though he could have chosen the Tree of Life!

Blessings WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:39)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:14) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,11:04) Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT. Gene Then Jesus words is a lie according to your belief! Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, “If ye continue in my word“, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and 'the truth shall make you free“….”If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be **free indeed**. John 8:31, 32, 36 According to you we are never really free! Blessings WJ Keith, I am with Gene on this subject. There is no such thing as free will. The will is “free” only as it is led by the Spirit. So Gene's hypothesis that it is “influenced will” is correct. But it is truly freedom. thinker Jack If my will is not free, then I am not free indeed! You are making a play on words. When temptation comes, I have the ability to freely choose without succumbing to the influence of bad or evil! Adam and Eve were perfect without any influence (Except that of Good) when the Tempter came! Adam freely chose to sin by walking into the Temptation with his eyes wide open even though he could have chosen the Tree of Life! Blessings WJ

Keith,

You are free ONLY in Christ. This is the ONLY true liberty the Bible knows about.

Without the Spirit leading you you can do nothing.

No play on words bro. Just the truth.

Jack

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,12:03)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:39) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:14) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,11:04) Terraricca………..Self salvation by your so-called “FREE WILL” Choices is a myth it does not exist and never did. No scripture supports you hypotheses. Most believe that but as you say that is the wide GATE most choose to believe, but scripture disagree with that false teaching. There exist no such thing a (FREE) Will only (INFLUENCED) WILLS EXISTS. If that influence is of GOD then that is what you will do, because “GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THE HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD”, THINK ABOUT IT. Gene Then Jesus words is a lie according to your belief! Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, “If ye continue in my word“, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and 'the truth shall make you free“….”If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be **free indeed**. John 8:31, 32, 36 According to you we are never really free! Blessings WJ Keith, I am with Gene on this subject. There is no such thing as free will. The will is “free” only as it is led by the Spirit. So Gene's hypothesis that it is “influenced will” is correct. But it is truly freedom. thinker Jack If my will is not free, then I am not free indeed! You are making a play on words. When temptation comes, I have the ability to freely choose without succumbing to the influence of bad or evil! Adam and Eve were perfect without any influence (Except that of Good) when the Tempter came! Adam freely chose to sin by walking into the Temptation with his eyes wide open even though he could have chosen the Tree of Life! Blessings WJ Keith, You are free ONLY in Christ. This is the ONLY true liberty the Bible knows about. Without the Spirit leading you you can do nothing. No play on words bro. Just the truth. Jack

Jack

Come On Bro.

I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to!

Or else noone can be accountable for anything they ever do since they have not the freedom to choose between the influence of good or evil!

Blessings Keith

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said:

Quote

I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to!

Keith,
You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable.

thinker

[terraricca]

gene

explain counsel here ;so i can see what you say ;

[terraricca]

gene

i only fight unscritural ideas

[terraricca]

hi gene

we always were free the only thing we were slave too was dead,and our on sinning nature but free to do good if you got the will the do it.

no free will not guilty because forced in to it ,my sinful nature,
but Paul,Peter says after you have know the truth of God if you sin again you done and now you are guilty why??? according to Gene, we do not have a will in a free environment so we can't chose.
how is that ??then just because we have increased our knowledge we are guilty??

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,12:26)

WorshippingJesus said: Quote I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to! Keith, You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable. thinker

Jack

So I can't resist God's Spirit unless he allows me to resist his Spirit?

Are you kidding?

You call that freedom? Are we robots?

Quench not the Spirit.  1 Thess 5:19

Greek for “Quench”, Strong's G4570 – sbennymi

1) to extinguish, quench

a) of fire or things on fire

1) to be quenched, to go out

b) metaph. to quench, to suppress, stifle

1) of divine influence

The word sbennymi is in the “Present Tense“, the “Active voice” and “Imperative Mood“.

Present Tense

The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense.

Active voice

The active voice represents the subject as the doer or performer of the action. e.g., in the sentence, “The boy hit the ball,” the boy performs the action.

Imperative Mood

The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to “the hearer to perform a certain action” by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mk.1:15) is not at all an “invitation,” but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

The Greek text shows that the believer does the acting here, meaning that we can choose not to submit to the Divine influence of the Spirit!

Blessings WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,12:26)

WorshippingJesus said: Quote I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to! Keith, You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable. thinker

Jack

If I am always led by the Spirit then I would be without sin!

Are you without sin Jack?

Blessings WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,05:17)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,12:26) WorshippingJesus said: Quote I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to! Keith, You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable. thinker Jack If I am always led by the Spirit then I would be without sin! Are you without sin Jack? Blessings WJ

Keith,

Paul taught that ALL Christians “walk according to the Spirit.”

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

All Christians are led by the Spirit (vs. 14) and they walk in the Spirit (vs. 4). This does not imply a sinless walk.

Jack

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:39)

[quot If my will is not free, then I am not free indeed! You are making a play on words. When temptation comes, I have the ability to freely choose without succumbing to the influence of bad or evil! Adam and Eve were perfect without any influence (Except that of Good) when the Tempter came! Adam freely chose to sin by walking into the Temptation with his eyes wide open even though he could have chosen the Tree of Life! Blessings WJ

WJ……….A will is not a will if it is FREE of any INFLUENCE. Rather  a Will is of the world or of GOD there exists no such thing as a (FREE) Will. Will are captivated by something or they could not be a WILL. Even GOD'S Will is not (FREE) of Influence ''For God does all things after the (COUNSEL) of HIS WILL”. We operate the same way. You will alway chose what is influencing you the MOST, rather the Spirit of GOD or of the Carnal mind.

Remember what Paul said He found no good thing in his flesh (WHY) , because to (WILL) was present in it.

Col 2:23 Which are indeed, having a matter of wisdom in (WILL) worship, and humble mindedness, and neglecting of body– not in any honor, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Col 3:3 for you did die, and your life has been hid with Christ in GOD.  

WJ…….Have those who exercise their (OWN) So-called “FREE” WILLS really died with Jesus, As Jesus died to Himself, I think not. God the Father is the one in charge (NOT) US or OUR so-called “FREE” Wills. Our will only hinder us, Like God's Will be done and every man a lier. Only ONE will WJ , and it does not have anything to do with Us brother.

peace and love……………gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 10 2010,17:37)

Only ONE will WJ , and it does not have anything to do with Us brother.

Gene

So then the murderer or the rapist is not resposible for his actions?

He couldn't help it because influence made him do it?

What need is there for Jesus words when he said we will be accountable for every idle word we speak?

Why a judgment seat since it is only Gods will being done in this earth?

Why did Jesus waste words when he said “Not my will but thine be done” since Gods will would be done anyway?

So in other words Jesus didn't give up his life and die for us because he was merely a puppet to the Fathers will?

So his statement “I have the power to lay down my life and to take it again” was false?

Foolishness IMO, and it takes away any responsiblility that I have to take up “MY CROSS” and follow him!

WJ

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