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Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 06 2009,16:28) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 06 2009,10:04) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,17:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,13:01) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,12:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Hi CO:Why then has he given us a commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature?
It is God working his will in all, including those in the world practicing sin wilfully?
He has NOT given us this command! If you correctly cut the word of truth, His teachings were to Israel, and to them only. I have given you the scriptures saying this before, Matt.15:24, Ro.15:8, Eph.2:11-12. This commission was given to Israel, and would have taken effect if they had accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be fulfilled when He (God), makes the 'New Covenant' with them again as in Hebrews 8: …For, blaming them, He is saying, “Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant, … To say that this command was given to us christians today, is a misunderstanding of scripture, although taught in most churches today.Blessings.
Hi CO:I am praying that God will give your revelation knowledge of the truth.
What you teach by telling me that Jesus has not given us the commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature, plainly tells me that you have not yet been saved.
No one who is saved could misunderstand this.
My desire is that you will repent and receive the Holy Ghost so that you can understand God's Word in truth and so that you might prosper.
If you have questions for me about the scriptures, I will be happy to give you my understanding, but to discuss the scriptures with you from the standpoint that you seem to take, and that is that what you are teaching is the truth. I won't answer your posts any more.
Also, my advice to you out of my love for you is to stop teaching until you are saved and God sends you to teach outhers. You cannot teach others until you are first taught yourself. Please consider what I am saying to you.
But of course, you have the freedom to do whatsoever your choose.
Hi 942767.
I'll let God be the judge, not you.Blessings.
Quote Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Hi 942767.
You quote John in your last portion of this latest post, quoting Jesus words. Do you not also believe what He (Jesus) said in Matt.15:24?Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 07 2009,06:41) Hi TJ,
This is what he says
“TO ALL………WE may be more like a robot than you would like to believe,”
Do you believe this?
Greetings Nick…..Needless to say …. That analogy makes no sense….My belief is,that,I fall short as a result of free will…which makes me what Iam…A sinner…. And for that reason,we have Jesus and through him we attain the grace that fosters forgiveness….And the father is from whence all things come…Hi TJ,
When we are reborn we are washed in the blood of the Lamb and forgiven.
God's forgiveness is complete and all blessings are restored to us.
God looks at us in Christ and sees his beloved Son.The Spirit in us offers us opportunities of grace for sanctification and transformation to become sons of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2009,04:13) Hi TJ,
When we are reborn we are washed in the blood of the Lamb and forgiven.
God's forgiveness is complete and all blessings are restored to us.
God looks at us in Christ and sees his beloved Son.The Spirit in us offers us opportunities of grace for sanctification and transformation to become sons of God.
Greetings Nick…..When we repent and are changed by the indwelling of the holy spirit (Baptism)truth becomes evident as God sees fit to reveal it….We are in effect spirit filled believers and doers of the word….We are also still carnal and subject to temptation and the consequences thereof which is none other than sin…So in order to be born again I would think we would have to be spirit…and Jesus said to Nicademus “unless a man be born again in the spirit he will not see God nor enter into the kingdom”…We can look forward to this happening at and during the judgement,which will take place when Gods Kingdom and his government is on this earth….Hi TJ,
Did he?
Jn3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
So you think he was telling Nicodemus that when he was dead he would have to be born again?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2009,11:37) Hi TJ,
Did he?
Jn3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
So you think he was telling Nicodemus that when he was dead he would have to be born again?
Greetings Nick…..Help me out here !! Lets take a look at item #6….That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit….Have you been born of the spirit and I am not meaning Gods spirit which is indwelling at Baptism….Even with that spirit we are still carnal,although we must be baptized in water as requiste to be part of the kingdom…And in Item #5 Jesus stipulates that we must be born of water and also of the spirit….I would think that at this time there is absolutely no fleshly beings in the presense of God….There are many sanctified and justified but they are not in heaven yet…With reference to Item #3 Except a man be born again ( through resurection ? )he cannot see the kingdom of God..Hi TJ,
Those who wish to see [understand] the kingdom must obey the demands to be reborn of water and the Spirit. Otherwise they only think they understand and are as clanging cymbals. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his. It is the Spirit that abides in us from rebirth now that raises us in a new heavenly body to be truly one with Christ meeting him in the clouds. No mention anywhere that our destiny is heaven but rather earth though our souls rest in his mansions till he comes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2009,05:09) Hi TJ,
Those who wish to see [understand] the kingdom must obey the demands to be reborn of water and the Spirit. Otherwise they only think they understand and are as clanging cymbals. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his. It is the Spirit that abides in us from rebirth now that raises us in a new heavenly body to be truly one with Christ meeting him in the clouds. No mention anywhere that our destiny is heaven but rather earth though our souls rest in his mansions till he comes.
Greetings Nick……When I speak of heaven,my understanding is that heaven ( so to speak ) will in fact be Gods Kingdom/Government on this earth….Perhaps Iam one of the cymbals you refer to…I can safely say that Iam not spirit, Iam flesh, and if I am not mistaken so are you…We could be justified to claim our spiritual inheritance through the indwelling of the holy spirit but that will not come until our resurection or perhaps being blessed as one of the numbered among those that are spared death….and become spirit in the twinkling of an eye….Hi TJ,
I agree that the Kingdom of heaven is expressed in heaven and on earth.
Hopefully the Holy Spirit lives in us now with our spirit.[rom8]
The Spirit is the downpayment on our inheritance.Why should you be called a cymbal?
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 07 2009,13:16) Hi 942767.
You quote John in your last portion of this latest post, quoting Jesus words. Do you not also believe what He (Jesus) said in Matt.15:24?Blessings.
Hi CO:Yes, I believe that scripture, and I also believe the following scriptures:
Quote Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Hi 942767.
If you believe scripture, then why do you deny what Jesus said in Matt.15:24 …Now He, (Jesus) answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”And also what Paul wrote in Ro15:8 …For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.
Blessings.
GB,
You said in another thread
“You can believe any false pagan teaching you want Nick, that up to you, i chose not to.”Did you use the free will you say you no longer have?
So you can make choices after all?NH.
When Eve ate the fruit of the tree of “the knowlegde of good and evil”, and gave it to Adam to eat also, when they were told by God that they must not, was this their “free will”? Think about it, it was Gods intention that they eat of it, it was 'predestined' for them to do so, it was predestined that Jesus would die for the sins of the world. In Eph.1:11, it says that God is operating “ALL” in accord with the councel of His will. Adam and Eve made a decision, I'm sure they thought they had made the decision, but obviously Gods will was done, even if they didn't know it.
We do not have free will, in my opinion.Blessings.
Nick……..I don't care if you chose to believe any pagan teaching you want to ,and you will chose because thats is what your influenced WILL choses, nothing to do with “FREE WILL” at all.
love and peace……………………………….gene
Chosenone …………Amen , right on, God knew all along what they were going to do and He did intend that to happen, Or it couldn't have been said Jesus was sacrificed from the foundations of the world. People Just don't realize who Smart God really is.
love and peace to you and yours…………………………………gene
God says…
Isaiah 43 …I, I, Ieue am AL! And there is no saviour apart from Me.
Isaiah 43 13 …And there is no rescuing from My hand.
I wil contrive, and who will reverse it?Isaiah 46:10 …Saying All My counsel shall be confirmend.
And all My desire I will do.
11 …Indeed, I speak! Indeed, I will bring it about!
I formed. Indeed I will do it.1Tim.2:4 Who (God) wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
Do we believe God? or do we have “free will”?
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