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Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,12:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Hi CO:Why then has he given us a commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature?
It is God working his will in all, including those in the world practicing sin wilfully?
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,13:01) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,12:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Hi CO:Why then has he given us a commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature?
It is God working his will in all, including those in the world practicing sin wilfully?
He has NOT given us this command! If you correctly cut the word of truth, His teachings were to Israel, and to them only. I have given you the scriptures saying this before, Matt.15:24, Ro.15:8, Eph.2:11-12. This commission was given to Israel, and would have taken effect if they had accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be fulfilled when He (God), makes the 'New Covenant' with them again as in Hebrews 8: …For, blaming them, He is saying, “Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant, … To say that this command was given to us christians today, is a misunderstanding of scripture, although taught in most churches today.Blessings.
TO ALL………WE may be more like a robot than you would like to believe, Why does that really irk you and others so much, I will give you the answer, Because you want to be a God yourself and so you hate the idea that (YOUR WILLS) means nothing . Its only GOD'S will that does, or you and others would not constantly be bringing up (YOUR so-called FREE WILLS) when in fact no such thing exists. We only have influenced wills and that influence captivates our thinking. What do you think it means where it says , “He led captive a host of captives”, We are all held captive by our thinking (nothing FREE about it) and that is what controls us, God gives us his spirit of truth and we are freed from the former captivity but then we are put into another captivity which is of GOD. Paul even referenced himself as a slave of Christ and as a slave he is not considered as FREE and does not do any so-called (FREE WILL CHOICES). “for i have labored more then the rest, yet (NOT) (I) but the GRACE of GOD (LABORED).
FREE WILL thinking is a HUGE stumbling block to Christian Development. You are never free , you maybe free from the world but then you are led captive by GOD. This is simple to understand, thats all you have to know it there is (ONLY ONE WILL) and thats (NOT) YOUR OR MINE > IT”S GOD'S WILL, and he doesn't ask any ones permission to exercise it. YOU are the CLAY and HE the POTTER> but you want to think you assist the POTTER, something Clay can NOT DO. The false teaching of men giving GOD permission to save them or not, through (THEIR) so-called (FREE CHOICES OR WILL) is pure hog wash. God will do whatever he wants with HIS creation rather you like it or not is irrelevant, He is GOD (NOT) YOU. He CREATES righteousness (NOT) YOU, He gives truth (NOT) YOU. HE RAISES the DEAD (NOT) YOU> No wonder GOD hates the pride of man because it thinks it is its own GOD. Buy its (OWN) free will choices, and nothing could be further from the truth then that. It thinks it repents by its self and corrects its living by its self . It believes it's its own savior. But what does it say GOD resists the proud and gives GRACE (God's influencing in the heart) to the HUMBLE> Man is one big puffed up air bag. Who ever thinks He some how on his own repents and makes all the right choices by (HIS) so-called FREE WILL is a fool………..IMO.
peace and love to all………………………gene
GB,
More bluster to justify false teaching?
Now all who do not listen to you are fools?We have a teacher and do not listen to the voice of strangers.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 04 2009,05:12) GB,
More bluster to justify false teaching?
Now all who do not listen to you are fools?We have a teacher and do not listen to the voice of strangers.
Your “teacher” says …Matt.15:24 Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Don't you think you, as His student, should believe what He said?
What kind of student are you, denying what He said?Blessings.
Nick……..NO, all who think they are SAVED by THEIR so-Called FREE WILL CHOICES are. FOOLS if not show us scripture where i am wrong instead of just mouthing off about it as “a bluster to prove my false teaching” then show us the true teachings about “FREE WILLS” then. Were are all waiting to see your proof , or we must realize you don't have any (Proofs) of what you claim. Which is becoming more and more obvious all the time.
love and peace………………..gene
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,17:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,13:01) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,12:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Hi CO:Why then has he given us a commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature?
It is God working his will in all, including those in the world practicing sin wilfully?
He has NOT given us this command! If you correctly cut the word of truth, His teachings were to Israel, and to them only. I have given you the scriptures saying this before, Matt.15:24, Ro.15:8, Eph.2:11-12. This commission was given to Israel, and would have taken effect if they had accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be fulfilled when He (God), makes the 'New Covenant' with them again as in Hebrews 8: …For, blaming them, He is saying, “Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant, … To say that this command was given to us christians today, is a misunderstanding of scripture, although taught in most churches today.Blessings.
Hi CO:I am praying that God will give your revelation knowledge of the truth.
What you teach by telling me that Jesus has not given us the commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature, plainly tells me that you have not yet been saved.
No one who is saved could misunderstand this.
My desire is that you will repent and receive the Holy Ghost so that you can understand God's Word in truth and so that you might prosper.
If you have questions for me about the scriptures, I will be happy to give you my understanding, but to discuss the scriptures with you from the standpoint that you seem to take, and that is that what you are teaching is the truth. I won't answer your posts any more.
Also, my advice to you out of my love for you is to stop teaching until you are saved and God sends you to teach outhers. You cannot teach others until you are first taught yourself. Please consider what I am saying to you.
But of course, you have the freedom to do whatsoever your choose.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 06 2009,10:04) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,17:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,13:01) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,12:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2009,12:08) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 03 2009,11:46) Eph1:11 …11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
NOTICE “the One (GOD) Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”? Can our so-called “free will” overpower Gods will? I think not. WE do not have free will, “ALL is predestined”!Blessings.
This is predestination. God has forseen who will believe and who will not:Quote Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass. Isa 48:4 Because I knew that thou [art] obstinate, and thy neck [is] an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared [it] to thee; before it came to pass I shewed [it] thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
What you say, is not predestination, notice in Eph.1:11 it says “being designated beforehand”, that is predestination. It is what God is doing, not that He knows what our choices will be, it is Him that is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL”.Blessings.
Hi CO:Why then has he given us a commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature?
It is God working his will in all, including those in the world practicing sin wilfully?
He has NOT given us this command! If you correctly cut the word of truth, His teachings were to Israel, and to them only. I have given you the scriptures saying this before, Matt.15:24, Ro.15:8, Eph.2:11-12. This commission was given to Israel, and would have taken effect if they had accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be fulfilled when He (God), makes the 'New Covenant' with them again as in Hebrews 8: …For, blaming them, He is saying, “Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant, … To say that this command was given to us christians today, is a misunderstanding of scripture, although taught in most churches today.Blessings.
Hi CO:I am praying that God will give your revelation knowledge of the truth.
What you teach by telling me that Jesus has not given us the commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature, plainly tells me that you have not yet been saved.
No one who is saved could misunderstand this.
My desire is that you will repent and receive the Holy Ghost so that you can understand God's Word in truth and so that you might prosper.
If you have questions for me about the scriptures, I will be happy to give you my understanding, but to discuss the scriptures with you from the standpoint that you seem to take, and that is that what you are teaching is the truth. I won't answer your posts any more.
Also, my advice to you out of my love for you is to stop teaching until you are saved and God sends you to teach outhers. You cannot teach others until you are first taught yourself. Please consider what I am saying to you.
But of course, you have the freedom to do whatsoever your choose.
Hi 942767.
I'll let God be the judge, not you.Blessings.
Chosenone ……….isn't it amazing who much scripture people can reject to push their own points, this is a lesson in it self.
love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Nick……….scripture does speak, most flesh doesn't understand it though. thats were all the confusion comes from.
peace………………gene
GB,
Your understanding does not seem to help.
Let scripture teach.Prov3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 03 2009,06:52) Tj………Jesus said “to him that overcomes (EVEN AS I HAVE) thats the kicker , how did JESUS overcome, was it by his “WILL” or any “FREE WILL”, Scripture say no, it was by the POWER of GOD , he overcame. “for the son of man can do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, fir the Father in HIM does the works. That alone should answer the question . Jesus did not exercise any of HIS WILL free or other wise. But just the opposite HIS WILL was put to death, Jesus own WILL did not want to die, but the one working in him caused him to put his “WILL” to death even the death of the cross. as Scripture Shows. There is no Such thing as a (FREE WILL) no where in scripture is there mentioned any at all. There is influenced WILL but far from (FREE). Man has in him a desire to be His own savior by His own FREE WILL Choices but scripture shown (NO one ever on his own Chose GOD'S way by their OWN FREE WILLS. God said he looked for (ONE) righteous Person and could find (NONE) NOT EVEN ONE. So he took it upon HIS OWN ARM to bring salvation.
Tj … the issue here boils down to how SOVEREIGN IS GOD< Man hates the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD. Wants to believe His choices save him , pure hog wash, man choices only destory him. "there seems a way unto man thats right, but the end there of is SIN AND DEATH." imo
love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Greetings Gene…….Influenced will….your argument makes sense and Iam sure it is scriptually correct….Perhaps your conclusions with respect to influenced will, also considers Gods spirit as influence in the behavior of men…My question is this…” If the freedom to choose right from wrong is not afforded to the man,then why do we choose to live in a civilized society as oposed to an uncivilized society ?…Salvation is attained through and with the grace of God…Man cannot will his own salvation….Man can refuse the grace that God extends,through disobedience…Those who are called and spirit filled can also refuse…” For many are called but few are chosen”….Please allow me to return to your term influenced will….Are you suggesting that if someone is under the influence of another being or force,in this case spiritual…..that their existance and behavior are no longer their own….They cannot choose by their own will to break the bonds that tie them….If that is the case why do we need a judgement or a resurection….we all spoken for and predestined,by virtue of our inability to will and choose…
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