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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2008,13:40) GB,
So we CHOOSE the influence.
Interesting.
Nick……..Absolutely you will chose the greatest influence in you, it never will be different , its all cause and effect that works in all things, if you believe not then (Prove it). Nick if your going to quote me please try to properly do it , I did not say “we chose the influence,” but we chose the (STRONGEST INFLUENCE) lying about what someone says is also a sin Nick. It's called bearing false wittiness, It would behoove you to be more truthful brother. Lest the LORD deal with you after your folly.love and peace…………….gene
GB,
So you CHOSE the greatest influence before you know it is the greatest.
Choice is of the will and it continues every day.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2008,14:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2008,13:40) GB,
So we CHOOSE the influence.
Interesting.
Nick……..Absolutely you will chose the greatest influence in you, it never will be different , its all cause and effect that works in all things, if you believe not then (Prove it). Nick if your going to quote me please try to properly do it , I did not say “we chose the influence,” but we chose the (STRONGEST INFLUENCE) lying about what someone says is also a sin Nick. It's called bearing false wittiness, It would behoove you to be more truthful brother. Lest the LORD deal with you after your folly.love and peace…………….gene
Hi Gene:The point is that the person had a choice and he did what he wanted to do.
For a Christian, if I understood you correctly, the greatest influence is the Holy Spirit and we will automatically do what the Holy Spirit is influencing us to do. Isn't this what you stated?
942767…….Absolutely yes, “for he that is in you is greater then he that is in the world”, and who is in the world is it not us and the worldly influences. GOD by His SPIRIT POWER overcomes the world in us. “It is God who works in us to (WILL) and to do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE,” lets give Him glory He has set his hands to save us and delivers us from our former bondage. God's influencing in us (GRACE) (IS) greater and as a result we chose His WILL, not out WILL. I don't put (NO) trust in Me (I) have already proved (I) am a failure, but thanks be to GOD through Christ Jesus i Will be delievered from this body of death. Again you do understand me correctly, the greatest influence in us is GOD SPIRIT , it is (POWER) from on HIGH. As he told the Apostles “after that your recieve (POWER) from on High. God's power is indeed the greatest influence in a Christians life.
love and peace to you and yours……………..gene
Nick………speaking Carnally you will prefer whats of the flesh, because thats what is influencing you the most, Speaking Spiritually you will prefer the Spiritual things , but the question is who is going to win , if both things are in us then one has got to go, “make the tree good and it fruit good, or make evil and its fruit evil”, So with my flesh i serve the law of sin and death, but with my mind the law of God , but guess what the flesh is going to (DIE) and the lust with it, in fact it's already dying and what will be left, my mind ,and it serves the will of GOD. Peter said He who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, you see how sin is tied to our flesh, but thanks be to God the Flesh will die and the sin with it. And i will live because of the Spirit of GOD in me. The flesh will not be victorious over me.
All you young people keep this in mind no matter how much lust is working in you it will not when because the flesh is getting weaker and weaker and the desires are also getting weaker and weaker with it. so don't lose heart if you are young and fighting the battle over lusts, if you fail just get back up and take to to the Lord and He will forgive you and strengthen you. WE are all more than conquerors through Him that loved us and gave himself for us. Your Heavenly Father is no looser, he who started a work in you (WILL) perform it. Trust in Him, Not in your so-called “free choices”.
love and peace to you all………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2008,06:13) 942767…….Absolutely yes, “for he that is in you is greater then he that is in the world”, and who is in the world is it not us and the worldly influences. GOD by His SPIRIT POWER overcomes the world in us. “It is God who works in us to (WILL) and to do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE,” lets give Him glory He has set his hands to save us and delivers us from our former bondage. God's influencing in us (GRACE) (IS) greater and as a result we chose His WILL, not out WILL. I don't put (NO) trust in Me (I) have already proved (I) am a failure, but thanks be to GOD through Christ Jesus i Will be delievered from this body of death. Again you do understand me correctly, the greatest influence in us is GOD SPIRIT , it is (POWER) from on HIGH. As he told the Apostles “after that your recieve (POWER) from on High. God's power is indeed the greatest influence in a Christians life. love and peace to you and yours……………..gene
Greetings Gene…….I have come to realize through the years that not every professing christian has the spirit of God in them and even those who do, fall short of the glory of God,and for that reason we have a savior….I would think it would be some what of a robotic existance if one has the spirit of God and always wills his/her actions in accordance with the law….Even spirit filled christians must exercise the will to choose what is right from what is wrong…God may be calling some through the gift of his spirit,but until such time as we take on the glorified spiritual body….We are all carnal and must choose between the things of God as opposed to the things of the world…..Yes TJ,
It is not a question of the greatness of God or of His abilities but the stubborn intellectual barriers of men.TJ……….what you are saying is salvation is put in your hands, because you have the ability to chose life and death, right. If that be the case then who need GOD A all. Seeing we can chose our way into salvation by our “so-called” free wills. If GOD is not dong the work in us causing us to make right choices then we ARE our OWN SAVIORS. you cant have it both way And if we have truly had ours wills put to death then there is ONLY ONE WILL that is AT work in that salvation process. Many think that because they, through the Spirit chose GOD way it is their choice thats coming from (THEIR) So-called FREE WILLS. Nothing could be further from the truth, If that we the case then anyone could come to Christ on there own, but scripture says (NO ONE) could come to Christ (UNLESS) the FATHER draw him. and Nick saying intellectual barriers of men have something to do with it is like saying man is in control and GOD is to WEAK to really save someone He choses to.
Interestingly you mention robots, i have seen the brought before even on other sites, seams men are fearful of that idea, ever ask yourself why they are. What do you think being in the IMAGE of GOD is , is it not to exactly reflect HIM, not be HIM, but reflect Him. Man hates that idea of reflecting GOD, they want to be a GOD instead, therefore they abhor the idea of GOD CREATING THEM LIKE HIM. They want to think they themselves by their (FREE WILL) do it. nothing could be further from the truth. “FOR YOU ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS, now if you are (CREATED UNTO IT) THEN YOU DID NOT DO IT. Something created requires a CREATOR. God is the CREATOR not any man now or ever will be. So if GOD CREATES me to be exactly like HIM then Call it what ever you want, i will be His robot then and happy to be.
love and peace to you and yours………………gene
TJ…..Show me one scripture that say that every Christian must exercise (THEIR) wills, in fact the opposite is true every Christians will must be put to death, including His own So-called (FREE WILL), and that death comes by the power of GOD in them, not from themselves. IMO.
Here something for you and Nick……….”for the kingdom of GOD , is liken unto ten virgins 5 were wise and 5 were foolish”, and when the sound went out the wise took (OIL) in their flasks, but the foolish took none , answer that and you will have your answer. Notice they were all considered Virgins .
peace and love ……………….gene
love and peace……………………gene
GB,
Sadly the 5 did not add to the grace investment God made in them and went to sleep=became complacent.Nick………you didn't answer the question, and as far a sleeping it says while they (ALL) Slept, not just the five but all ten, answer the question if you can, What was in the flasks that the five wise told the five foolish to go buy. It may answer many questions here. Explain it to us please.
love and peace to you and yours……………..gene
GB,
It was not worldly knowledge and empty philosophy.Zech4
1And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.2And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
7Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
11Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.
Those born into Christ who do not gain access the bountiful Spirit of God never have life or light.
Nick………Good diversion, but now back to the simple question , what was in the vessels or flasks the 5 wise was caring. if you can't answer just say you can't, don't walk all over the place trying to avoid the truth just say you don't know. But your pride prevents that right NICK.
love and peace to you……………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2008,06:13) 942767…….Absolutely yes, “for he that is in you is greater then he that is in the world”, and who is in the world is it not us and the worldly influences. GOD by His SPIRIT POWER overcomes the world in us. “It is God who works in us to (WILL) and to do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE,” lets give Him glory He has set his hands to save us and delivers us from our former bondage. God's influencing in us (GRACE) (IS) greater and as a result we chose His WILL, not out WILL. I don't put (NO) trust in Me (I) have already proved (I) am a failure, but thanks be to GOD through Christ Jesus i Will be delievered from this body of death. Again you do understand me correctly, the greatest influence in us is GOD SPIRIT , it is (POWER) from on HIGH. As he told the Apostles “after that your recieve (POWER) from on High. God's power is indeed the greatest influence in a Christians life. love and peace to you and yours……………..gene
Hi Gene:Quote Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
This says “he that overcometh…” Not “God by His Spirit Power overcomes the world in us” as you state.
It looks to me that you will continue to persist in your doctrine although the scriptures that I have shown you indicate something different than you are teaching, and so, that is between you and God.
942767………Jesus said “he that overcomes (EVEN AS I HAVE). Question is, how did he OVERCOME, was it by himself or by the power of GOD, remember Jesus said “he could (NOTHING) of HIMSELF , so again how did Jesus overcome. He said “the Father IN ME HE DOES THE WORK”. Think about it, Jesus overcame by the power of GOD in Him, and so do all true Saints. For He that is in you is greater then he thats in the world, and again “after that you have received POWER from on high”. “For you are saved (NOT) of, or FROM YOURSELVES”
love and peace to you and yours……………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2008,04:57) GB,
You boast of your understandings so we had better hear your view first.
Nick…where have I boasted of any understanding, i have just given my opinion of what i think things means, no one boasting about any thing. But your trickery won't work on this one.Tell us what did the 5 wise virgins take in their flasks or vessels, no point in condescending on me by making a stupid and untrue remark about me boasting. If you don't Know then be a man and say so, don't keep skirting around and making false statements about me personally, Just answer the question or say you don't know.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 30 2008,17:11) 942767………Jesus said “he that overcomes (EVEN AS I HAVE). Question is, how did he OVERCOME, was it by himself or by the power of GOD, remember Jesus said “he could (NOTHING) of HIMSELF , so again how did Jesus overcome. He said “the Father IN ME HE DOES THE WORK”. Think about it, Jesus overcame by the power of GOD in Him, and so do all true Saints. For He that is in you is greater then he thats in the world, and again “after that you have received POWER from on high”. “For you are saved (NOT) of, or FROM YOURSELVES” love and peace to you and yours……………….gene
Hi Gene:Jesus obeyed God that is how he overcame:
Quote Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Quote Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
He said it was the Father doing the works through him because he was not obeying his own thoughts. He was obeying God.
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