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Verse 27 states that God created man in his (own) image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then you say, “where is the disagreement?”The disagreement is in the word “created”, implying that we are presently “in the image of God”. Where a correct translation states “creating”, which is in the future, not yet completed. The term creates He them, refers to “male and female He creats them”. This is correct, we have now humanity as “male and Female”.
Blessings.
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Verse 27 states that God created man in his (own) image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then you say, “where is the disagreement?”
The disagreement is in the word “created”, implying that we are presently “in the image of God”. Where a correct translation states “creating”, which is in the future, not yet completed. The term creates He them, refers to “male and female He creats them”. This is correct, we have now humanity as “male and Female”.Blessings.
Hi CO:It is both present and future. The first man was made a living soul or a living person. (1 Co. 15:45) God is a living person, and so we are in His image in that respect, but after we are born again, we become like Him in the spirit as we learn to obey His Word. He is a Spirit of love, and that is the work of the Father in His children that is in process, and is not yet completed.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 25 2008,11:51) Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 25 2008,07:16) 942767
Verse 27 states that God created man in his (own) image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then you say, “where is the disagreement?”
The disagreement is in the word “created”, implying that we are presently “in the image of God”. Where a correct translation states “creating”, which is in the future, not yet completed. The term creates He them, refers to “male and female He creats them”. This is correct, we have now humanity as “male and Female”.Blessings.
Hi CO:It is both present and future. The first man was made a living soul or a living person. (1 Co. 15:45) God is a living person, and so we are in His image in that respect, but after we are born again, we become like Him in the spirit as we learn to obey His Word. He is a Spirit of love, and that is the work of the Father in His children that is in process, and is not yet completed.
Hi 942767.
Agreed, we are not yet made “in the image of God”, we will be in the future.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 25 2008,18:38) Hi,
It seems like a nervous wait for the universalists when the door of Jesus remains ajar.
Hi Nick:Have your heard of that spirit that wispers in your ear, “God did not mean that, you shall not surely die.”?
Hi 94,
Rather we also listen to the voice that says.”Not that way. Walk here”The highway of holiness is in the grace given through a relationship with the vine.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 26 2008,08:42) Hi 94,
Rather we also listen to the voice that says.”Not that way. Walk here”The highway of holiness is in the grace given through a relationship with the vine.
Hi Nick:Quote Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Quote Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 26 2008,13:52) Hi ……..so what all this got to do with “FREE WILL”? peace………………gene
Hi Gene:His sheep follow him, and they flee from the other guy. Does that sound like a choice or what?
942767…….it is a sign of no “FREE WILL” at all it a sign of awareness given them by GOD and it CAUSES them to follow the Shepperd.
94, i am not saying we don't have choice but they are influence one, not “FREE” , as it would have to be it were really FREE CHOICE, what that would mean is the Choice could not be any choice that has (ANY) influence of any Kind, causing the choice. We chose from existing influences in us and that causes us to make the choice we make . nothing (FREE) about , cause and effect is what taking place, were a caused to chose GOD way by the influencing of His Spirit in us,
Man hate the thought of that because it has been impressed on us that we are the captains of our own destiny , nothing could be futher from the truth. You will alway chose what ever has the greatest influence in you. Nothing FREE about it.
love and peace…………………gene
Nick…….you may be more right then you think……..now before you go nuts about that statement, let me explain what i mean by that OK.
Just for arguments sake lets say (ALL) KNOWLEDGE, both GOOD AND EVIL always existed (NO) new thought ever did exist, while it may be new to us , it has none the less always existed (nothing new under the sum) doesn't it say what is has already been there is nothing new. So it becomes a matter of good thoughts or evil thoughts both have (ALWAYS EXISTED), we are vessels that these can be poured into through exposure to them. We have both good and evil thoughts in us and as a result we are not pure but concidered by God as unclean and need to be cleansed, but how is this done>. By us (CHOSING) to clean our self up, No because we are in a state of Evil existence, we don't have the ability to. God must move on us and cause that to happen, he must remove uncleanness from us, and He does it by His WORDS, as it says we are being washed by the word of GOD, how?, because the word of GOd is GOOD and CLean thought and it rmoves and repleces the uncleannes in us. But that a work God does by HIS GRACE (God's INFLUENCING ON THE HEART). don't you see we are (CREATED NEW), we are not the creator but the CREATED.
One of the greatest lies ever told is were have a FREE WILL , there is no such thing as a FREE WILL, there is only (INFLUENCED WILL). And if you have the SPirit of GOD in you then you have GODLY INFLUENCE IN YOU> That why it say greater is He that IN YOU , then he that in the world. GOD is a STRONGER INFLUENCE the the world is. So we then change as a result of that influence or (GRACE) in us.
Nick…a big problem with men is their (PRIDE) they want to be a GOD not be like Him, they want to be the captains of their own destiny, take a position a creator of their own righteousness by their so-called “FREE WILLS” or FREE CHOICES. Jesus said there is (NON) GOOD, Except GOD ALONE, and god said there is non the doth good no not one, and said he looked for one rightious man and could find non, why do men continue to try to push that they can freely chose to do right, when scripture shows they can't , they must (ALL) be created unto it. Give God the Father the glory which he deserves as the ONLY CREATOR OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THERE IS.
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
GB,
You have not explained why we are urged to obey, walk, listen, be transformed….
Cooperation with grace is essential as God forces nothing so He can watch our responses.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 26 2008,16:32) 942767…….it is a sign of no “FREE WILL” at all it a sign of awareness given them by GOD and it CAUSES them to follow the Shepperd. 94, i am not saying we don't have choice but they are influence one, not “FREE” , as it would have to be it were really FREE CHOICE, what that would mean is the Choice could not be any choice that has (ANY) influence of any Kind, causing the choice. We chose from existing influences in us and that causes us to make the choice we make . nothing (FREE) about , cause and effect is what taking place, were a caused to chose GOD way by the influencing of His Spirit in us,
Man hate the thought of that because it has been impressed on us that we are the captains of our own destiny , nothing could be futher from the truth. You will alway chose what ever has the greatest influence in you. Nothing FREE about it.
love and peace…………………gene
Hi Gene:Yes, we are influenced to obey. God came looking for us through the preacher of His Word. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. After we become Christians, our Father leads us into all truths in His Word by His Holy Spirit, and also, He does chasten us, and so all this is how we are influenced, but what I mean by “free will” is that I have the freedom to obey Him or not. I can rebel if I want. I do have a choice. Remember Jonah?
942767…….brother i disagree with you, because you will all ways choose what is the strongest influence in you, That why Jesus said, stay until you recieve (POWER) from on HIGH., we have to be empowered to overcome by the influencing Spirit of GOD, 94, we are (CREATED UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS) We do not “FREE WILL” ourselves into salvation or overcoming anything IMO
love to you and yours……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2008,12:22) 942767…….brother i disagree with you, because you will all ways choose what is the strongest influence in you, That why Jesus said, stay until you recieve (POWER) from on HIGH., we have to be empowered to overcome by the influencing Spirit of GOD, 94, we are (CREATED UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS) We do not “FREE WILL” ourselves into salvation or overcoming anything IMO love to you and yours……………..gene
Hi Gene:There you go again with your opinions.
I guess this individual obeyed the strongest influence:
Quote 1Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Cr 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.942767……..So , what your point? Are all the scriptures i have quoted my opinions to. And the person you quoted did obey the strongest influence, influencing Him or He would not have committed the act he did, Lust in Him was grater at the moment he sinned. But latter He repented by the effectual working of GOD Spirit in Him. We all fail at times even though we have Gods Spirit in us, and as long as we are in this flesh we will continue to at times. Paul said the good i would do i do not, but the evil i would not do that i do , O wretched man that i am . Who can deliver me from this body of death. So even the apostle at times Obed the sin influence in Him . And trust me you and Nicks (we's) do to at times. Why?
Because sin thats in your flesh , Paul said with my mind (Spirit) i serve the laws of GOD but with my flesh the law of sin and death , So then it is no longer i that do it but Sin that is in this body. But be assured whatever a man is overcome by he is a slave to, I have far less lust influence in me now then when i was young, far less, why, it's because my body is much weaker now and the closer i get to death the less fleshly lust will effect me , Peter said for he who suffers in the flesh has ceased from sin.
peace and love…………….gene
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