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Hi MK,
Understanding must follow obedience.
Faith in God, in what is written
First seek the kingdom.
You must be born again.
Everything else will be added to you.The same question, if the natural man does not naturally obey God and Christ as they do not have the spirit of God, salvation is only limited to those who are given the spirit of God.
Hi MK,
No.God gives all a measure of faith.
He writes His name on the skies and in nature.
Then when they hear the gospel the seed may or may not take root.Nick………knowing God through Nature and Skies, or written words, is completely different then knowing Him personally. Read Job who said I have heard about you with the Hearing of the ears , but now I Know you., big difference Brother. We can have a secondary relationship with him, but not a personal one. One is like studying a book about something and another is like actually experiencing it. Who knows it best?
love to you and yours……………….gene
Nick……I do not do that, you have no way of knowing that, it's Just you assumptions, but they are not true < I don't see Jesus and Newton at any conflict of what they say, It's you lack of understanding that to me is the problem here, not Newton or Jesus.
peace to you and yours……………….gene
GB,
Jesus is greater than any scientist.
He is your master you say?
Give him the respect he deservesJohn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent himLike all who served before he is despised.
Nick………I don;t understand what you are talking about, now have you graduated to saying i despise Jesus? Give me a break brother thats simply is not true . Who was ever talking about the Greatness of Jesus over any scientists?
love and peace to you and yours……………gene
Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,12:18) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 09 2008,12:00) Hi MK: Please give me your understanding of the following scriptures to which you refer:
Quote It is the same with 1 Cor 15:21-28 Most christians have been taught that the sequence ends at verse 23 and the rest is just assigned to the rubbish tip (gehenna, hell, fiery eternal torment) – God has forgotton about his plan of the redemption of the whole world and will just rescue the elect/chosen. Thanks
1Cr 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cr 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Cr 15:24Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Cr 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Cr 15:26The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
1Cr 15:27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Cr 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.The same word used for all things being subdued to Christ, him putting all things under his feet is used for Christ being subject to his Father
G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.My understanding is I believe what is stated:- that In adam all die (everybody body and soul) and that IN Christ all will live (born again by the spirit of God)
It seems that to believe in eternal torment you need to think that the end in verse 24 onwards is not part of the reconciliation each in their own order that is being talked about in the previous verses and that the enemies being subdued are actually tormented eternally and not made to be submissive and bowing their knees in obedience.
Hi MK:You say:
Quote My understanding is I believe what is stated:- that In adam all die (everybody body and soul) and that IN Christ all will live (born again by the spirit of God) In Adam all die in that all men have sinned, and were at one time in unbelief and separated from God because of their sins, but in Christ through the born again experience having their sins washed away by the blood of Christ their soul is alive to God in the body of Christ, and so the scripture states:
Quote 1Cr 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cr 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.This is the first resurrection. Also, stated here:
Quote 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Quote Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years
But those who are not part of this first resurrection and are alive will have received the mark of the beast and will be judged by the seven last plagues:
Quote 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Quote Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Quote Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped hi
s image.Quote Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Those who have died in their sins will be resurrected in the second resurrection:
Quote Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Quote Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection Quote Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
At this point everything is subjected to God through Christ either by being saved in the first resurrection or having been judged and destroyed according to their works in the second death. Those who were alive at the coming of the Lord by the seven last plages (not talking about a second physical death but a second spiritual death), and those who have died in their sins being subject to him at the great white throne judgement.
At this point the work that God has given Jesus to finish on this earth will have been completed, and he then subject to God that God may be all in all. He has delivered the kingdom to God.
God Bless
942767 – Everything is fine until you get to stating that something that is spiritual can die – Jesus says he is the resurrection and the life – he came to give life and that is what resurrection is all about.
Give me a scripture that clearly states that spirit which is given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies.
Nick……for you, my list of ………………WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING.
GOD the FATHER…….YES
Jesus the son………..NO
the Apostle Peter……NO
the Apostle Paul…….NO
any Apostle………….NO
any Prophet…………NO
Gene Balthrop……….NO
Isaac Newton………..NO
Nick Hassan………….NO
anyone else………….NOSo who should I really look to that Knows it ALL (GOD THE FATHER) Just like JESUS DID.
NOW THATS THE WAY I VIEW IT, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT THEN JESUS DID. REMEMBER JESUS SPOKE THE FATHERS WORDS NOT HIS OWN.
Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 13 2008,12:43) 942767 – Everything is fine until you get to stating that something that is spiritual can die – Jesus says he is the resurrection and the life – he came to give life and that is what resurrection is all about. Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies.
Hi MK:I said spiritual to make a distinction between the physical death and the death of the soul.
When Adam and Eve sinned, they died spirtually in that they were cast out of the Garden of Eden and lost their fellowship with God. Their phyiscal death did not occur until much later.
The scripture states:
Quote Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; All of us have sinned and so all of us were in unbelief and spiritually separated from God at one time. Jesus died to pay the judgment that was against all of humanity for this first death or spiritual separation from God. Our soul was dead to God because of sin, but whether or not we are reconciled to God our flesh body continues to die and will go back to the dust unless we are are alive and changed and given a spiritual body so that we do not die a physical death when Jesus comes for the church.
And so you ask:
Quote Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies The spirit that God gives is His Word as we learn to apply it to our lives. That spirit is eternal and will never die. Jesus states:
Quote Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. When I spoke of a second death for the unsaved going through the seven last plagues, I was referring to the fact that Jesus paid the price for their first death or spiritual separation from God. These were alive when Jesus came back and had not yet died physically, and so their body and soul were being destroyed by the judgment of the seven last plagues. They won't be resurrected to incur further judgment.
In contrast those who have died in their sins have obviously died a physical death, but have not been judged, and will be resurrected to die a second death. If their body went to the dust, this could only mean the second spiritual death which eternal. From the first death or spiritual, separation God calls a man into a relationship with Him through Our Lord Jesus, but he died once unto sin, and will not die any more, therefore, if someone a physical death and is spiritually separated from him, there is no more sacrifice for their sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 13 2008,14:11) Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 13 2008,12:43) 942767 – Everything is fine until you get to stating that something that is spiritual can die – Jesus says he is the resurrection and the life – he came to give life and that is what resurrection is all about. Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies.
Hi MK:I said spiritual to make a distinction between the physical death and the death of the soul.
When Adam and Eve sinned, they died spirtually in that they were cast out of the Garden of Eden and lost their fellowship with God. Their phyiscal death did not occur until much later.
The scripture states:
Quote Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; All of us have sinned and so all of us were in unbelief and spiritually separated from God at one time. Jesus died to pay the judgment that was against all of humanity for this first death or spiritual separation from God. Our soul was dead to God because of sin, but whether or not we are reconciled to God our flesh body continues to die and will go back to the dust unless we are are alive and changed and given a spiritual body so that we do not die a physical death when Jesus comes for the church.
And so you ask:
Quote Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies The spirit that God gives is His Word as we learn to apply it to our lives. That spirit is eternal and will never die. Jesus states:
Quote Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. When I spoke of a second death for the unsaved going through the seven last plagues, I was referring to the fact that Jesus paid the price for their first death or spiritual separation from God. These were alive when Jesus came back and had not yet died physically, and so their body and soul were being destroyed by the judgment of the seven last plagues. They won't be resurrected to incur further judgment.
In contrast those who have died in their sins have obviously died a physical death, but have not been judged, and will be resurrected to die a second death. If their body went to the dust, this could only mean the second spiritual death which eternal. From the first death or spiritual, separation God calls a man into a relationship with Him through Our Lord Jesus, but he died once unto sin, and will not die any more, therefore, if someone a physical death and is spiritually separated from him, there is no more sacrifice for their sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, God Bless
The part that you said about Adam and Eve died spiritually conflicts with thisQuote 1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.We are not created spiritual first – no one was, first natural (the seed planted) then spiritual.
We were talking about 1 Cr 15:22-28 where the order of resurrection is listed with those in the end – after the first resurrection – being subject to Christ who is in turn subject to his Father.
There is scripture that also says 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
This says flesh is judged and then life in the spirit This ties up with
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Most of what you have put has assumed the spiritual was first – then we were separated and then physical and then there is eternal death for the physical body and soul which seems to be at odds to what 1 Cor 15:22-28 is saying.
Going back to your previous post you said
Quote At this point everything is subjected to God through Christ either by being saved in the first resurrection or having been judged and destroyed according to their works in the second death. However the end says that the purpose of christ reign (which is where his kings and priests from the first resurrection are reigning with him) he is subjecting them to him (they are obedient) and then he subjects himself to the Father.
If you look at 1 Peter 4:6 the dead are judged in the flesh but live according to God in the Spirit
J
Also the word subject means G5293
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 13 2008,13:34) Nick……for you, my list of ………………WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING. GOD the FATHER…….YES
Jesus the son………..NO
the Apostle Peter……NO
the Apostle Paul…….NO
any Apostle………….NO
any Prophet…………NO
Gene Balthrop……….NO
Isaac Newton………..NO
Nick Hassan………….NO
anyone else………….NOSo who should I really look to that Knows it ALL (GOD THE FATHER) Just like JESUS DID.
NOW THATS THE WAY I VIEW IT, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT THEN JESUS DID. REMEMBER JESUS SPOKE THE FATHERS WORDS NOT HIS OWN.
HGB,
God has spoken to us through the prophets and then His Son and his servants. You need to give regard to these far ahead of any worldly scientific teachers as they speak the words of God where the scientists are limited to their human vision.NIck…..you have no idea who God Has or Will use to bring about His will. He uses a Donkey once , used a Persecutor of the Church who even had people killed once, God doesn't Waite for an approval from you Nick as to who He will or will not use. He can use a housewife, Carpenter, Scientist, Bus driver, Cowboy, Sheep herder, even people right here on this site he can use, So let who God uses, up to him as it has been and will be. not up to you Nick to make that call as to who God has used for His purposes or will.
love and peace to you and yours………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2008,16:40) GB,
I trust the proven servants of God. Their words are His.
These others you offer are ill fare.
Who are, and who are not, these “proven servants”? Please inform us, we anxiously await your answer.Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 13 2008,15:14) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 13 2008,14:11) Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 13 2008,12:43) 942767 – Everything is fine until you get to stating that something that is spiritual can die – Jesus says he is the resurrection and the life – he came to give life and that is what resurrection is all about. Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies.
Hi MK:I said spiritual to make a distinction between the physical death and the death of the soul.
When Adam and Eve sinned, they died spirtually in that they were cast out of the Garden of Eden and lost their fellowship with God. Their phyiscal death did not occur until much later.
The scripture states:
Quote Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; All of us have sinned and so all of us were in unbelief and spiritually separated from God at one time. Jesus died to pay the judgment that was against all of humanity for this first death or spiritual separation from God. Our soul was dead to God because of sin, but whether or not we are reconciled to God our flesh body continues to die and will go back to the dust unless we are are alive and changed and given a spiritual body so that we do not die a physical death when Jesus comes for the church.
And so you ask:
Quote Give me a scripture that clealy states that spirit which given of God can die – when our physical body dies our/the spirit goes back to God the soul is related to the physical body and dies The spirit that God gives is His Word as we learn to apply it to our lives. That spirit is eternal and will never die. Jesus states:
Quote Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. When I spoke of a second death for the unsaved going through the seven last plagues, I was referring to the fact that Jesus paid the price for their first death or spiritual separation from God. These were alive when Jesus came back and had not yet died physically, and so their body and soul were being destroyed by the judgment of the seven last plagues. They won't be resurrected to incur further judgment.
In contrast those who have died in their sins have obviously died a physical death, but have not been judged, and will be resurrected to die a second death. If their body went to the dust, this could only mean the second spiritual death which eternal. From the first death or spiritual, separation God calls a man into a relationship with Him through Our Lord Jesus, but he died once unto sin, and will not die any more, therefore, if someone a physical death and is spiritually separated from him, there is no more sacrifice for their sins.
Quote Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, God Bless
The part that you said about Adam and Eve died spiritually conflicts with thisQuote 1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.We are not created spiritual first – no one was, first natural (the seed planted) then spiritual.
We were talking about 1 Cr 15:22-28 where the order of resurrection is listed with those in the end – after the first resurrection – being subject to Christ who is in turn subject to his Father.
There is scripture that also says 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
This says flesh is judged and then life in the spirit This ties up with
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Most of what you have put has assumed the spiritual was first – then we were separated and then physical and then there is eternal death for the physical body and soul which seems to be at odds to what 1 Cor 15:22-28 is saying.
Going back to your previous post you said
Quote At this point everything is subjected to God through Christ either by being saved in the first resurrection or having been judged and destroyed according to their works in the second death. However the end says that the purpose of christ reign (which is where his kings and priests from the first resurrection are reigning with him) he is subjecting them to him (they are obedient) and then he subjects himself to the Father.
If you look at 1 Peter 4:6 the dead are judged in the flesh but live according to God in the Spirit
J
Also the word subject means G5293
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Hi MK:In my comments about spiritual death, I am not speaking about the last man Adam. I am speaking about spiritual death or separation from God. Sin is a spiritual matter.
The scripture states:
Quote Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hbr 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.The First Man Adam was made a living soul. He was alive to God, and in communion with him untill he sinned.
God said to Adam:
Quote Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.And so through sin or disobedience to God, Adam lost fellowship with God. This is what I mean by spiritual death or separation from God. (It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment.) Because of this disobedience, then came the judgment given to Adam and Eve which included ultimately physical death. Adam did not die physically until he was 930 years old.
Those who sinned during this era prior to the flood suffered the same judgment as Adam until the flood when those living who were not saved by the Ark were judged by the flood and destroyed.
Those in the OT who are not saved have already been judged. They have sinned (Appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment). They are dead. No further judgment. Those under the law were judged by the law. Some were stoned to death. However they died. This was their judgment.
In the NT, Jesus has paid the judgment that was against all of humanity. The scripture states that all have sinned and so all have been dead to God or spirtually separated from him because of sin (It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment). This judgment for this first death or spiritual separation from God because of sin has been paid in full by the Lord Jesus for all of humanity. Whosoever can be reconciled to God by coming to Him with a repentant heart through the provision He has made in the Lord Jesus.
The judgment for those who are not reconciled to God in the NT era has been delayed until the end.
Quote Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Those who are alive when Jesus come for the church will have received the Mark of the Beast and will be judged by the seven last plagues according to their works. They will not be resurrected to incur further judgment. (Rev. 19:20-21)
Those who have died in their sins prior to the coming of the Lord for the church will be resurrected in the second resurrection to incur their judgment which is the second death, and they will punished according to their works.
From the first death man is called out of darkness or spiritual separation from God. There is a sacrifice for their sins, but from this second death, there is no sacrifice for their sins.
You mention 1 Peter 4:6 and I have included 4:5 to help clarify what is being said here:
Quote 1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.Verse 4:5 speaks of Jesus being ready to judge the quick(those who are alive to God) and the dead (those spiritually separated from God because of sin).
Verse 4:6 states that for this reason the gospel is preached to the dead(those who are dead to God or spirtually separated from him because of sin). The gospel is preached to all who are in unbelief and are dead or separated from God. This is all of us since all of us were at one time or another in this state. And we will either be judged according to our works in the flesh by Jesus or live to God through him in the Spirit.
You say:
Quote However the end says that the purpose of christ reign (which is where his kings and priests from the first resurrection are reigning with him) he is subjecting them to him (they are obedient) and then he subjects himself to the Father. My understanding of the 1000 year reign is that the saints will be judging those who are dead. This is how they will rule and reign with him during this period of time.
Quote 1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? The purpose of God and of Christ is of course the salvation of all who believe. This is what the scripture states:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.You then give me the following:
Quote Also the word subject means G5293 hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Every one will be subject to Christ either in the first resurrection which is a resurrection to eternal life or in the judgment.
Quote Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall [one] say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: [even] to him shall [men] come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
The Apostle Paul states that not all of Israel is Israel. Verse 45:25 refers to the seed of Israel being justified in t
he Lord.Quote Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.Quote Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.Hi 94,
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“Those who are alive when Jesus come for the church will have received the Mark of the Beast and will be judged by the seven last plagues according to their works. They will not be resurrected to incur further judgment. (Rev. 19:20-21)”After death the judgement-for all who have not already passed from death to life
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