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Just to clear this up… I belong to no “denomination”, God has lead me through many denominations in my walk with Him. I guess this was to teach me what I had to know, that they are the “apostacy”, and I feel blessed to realize that there is “nothing” that I can do to save myself. Scripture says “All is of God, all is by Him, through Him, and for Him”. Who am I to say I have done 'this' or 'that' to please God? Has He chosen me? I can't boast, but I believe He has. I don't know why, I am certainly no one special, I certainly am inferior to most, In fact I feel very humble, almost afraid of what is happening to me, but thanks be to God, “Who is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).
Co,
You should know if you are saved.
You should have witnesses in heaven[1Jn5]
Have you yet obeyed God's righteous demands?He demands nothing of me, I am a miserable sinner, saved by “Grace”. Thanks be to God “Who is the saviour of all mankind”. (1Tim.4:9-11)
CO,
Really?
All done and ticketyboo like an unsought present in the mail and discovered by reading Paul?
Ahem.Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,12:56) Just to clear this up… I belong to no “denomination”, God has lead me through many denominations in my walk with Him. I guess this was to teach me what I had to know, that they are the “apostacy”, and I feel blessed to realize that there is “nothing” that I can do to save myself. Scripture says “All is of God, all is by Him, through Him, and for Him”. Who am I to say I have done 'this' or 'that' to please God? Has He chosen me? I can't boast, but I believe He has. I don't know why, I am certainly no one special, I certainly am inferior to most, In fact I feel very humble, almost afraid of what is happening to me, but thanks be to God, “Who is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).
I am also afraid of what is happening to you, but I am praying for you that God will give you revelation knowledge of the truth of His Word.Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,11:38) Hi 942767.
I know we can disagree with one another, and this topic does have its share. But I have to agree with Gene and Adam that we do not have free will.
Eph.1:1-13 …1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, to all the saints who are also believers in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ,
4 according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight,
5 in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will,
6 for the laud of the glory of His grace, which graces us in the Beloved:
7 in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,
8 which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence
9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
12 that we should be for the laud of His glory, who are pre-expectant in the Christ.
13 In Whom you also — on hearing the word of truth, the evangel of your salvation — in Whom on believing also, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise
14 (which is an earnest of the enjoyment of our allotment, to the deliverance of that which has been procured) for the laud of His glory!The book of Ephesians is very good at explaining how we are all predestined, and that God is working ALL in accord of HIS WILL. So how can we have 'free will', if God is working ALL, in accord of HIS WILL?
Just my opinion, no offence intended.
Blessings, Jerry.
Chosenone….How much clearer can it get then that post , and yet some can't even get it. It's very apparent how God is using you in the ministry of truth, with sound teachings.Love and peace to you and your brother………….gene
Quote Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Jhn 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Jhn 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
Jhn 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Jhn 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,12:56) Just to clear this up… I belong to no “denomination”, God has lead me through many denominations in my walk with Him. I guess this was to teach me what I had to know, that they are the “apostacy”, and I feel blessed to realize that there is “nothing” that I can do to save myself. Scripture says “All is of God, all is by Him, through Him, and for Him”. Who am I to say I have done 'this' or 'that' to please God? Has He chosen me? I can't boast, but I believe He has. I don't know why, I am certainly no one special, I certainly am inferior to most, In fact I feel very humble, almost afraid of what is happening to me, but thanks be to God, “Who is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).
Hi brother Jerry,
Those are simple but excellent utterances of truth from you my brother.May God continue to bless you and use you for the expansion of His kingdom.
Thanks and peace to you
AdamThank you Adam and Gene, sometimes we weary of swimming upstream, but we are thankfull that God, through Christ Jesus, our Lord and Saviour, sustains us during the storm.
God Bless.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2008,15:59) Quote Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Jhn 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Jhn 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
Jhn 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Jhn 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
942767.
I know you are probably as tired reading this, as I am of telling you this. The four gospels are to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. (Matt.15:24)Blessings.
Hi brother Nick,
I am not for any Universalism as you often quote against our brother Chosen One, but I want to ask you one thing if God is the potter who created all man-kind from One man and He was having the liberty to create them as they are then what way the scriptures will differ if they say God is the Savior of all especially of us believers ?Hi GM,
1Tim410 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
So what does SAVIOUR mean here?
It isd not eternal salvation as discrimination is made between those who believe and those who do not and no one suggests there are several levels of salvation[except the JWs]
Number 4990
Transliteration:
soter {so-tare'}
Word Origin:
from 4982
TDNT:
7:1003,1132
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
Saviour 24Total: 24
Definition:
saviour, deliverer, preserver The name was given by the ancients to deities, esp. tutelary deities, to princes, kings, and in general to men who had conferred signal benefits upon their country, and in more degenerate days by the way of flattery to personages of influenceGod is the Helper, the Preserver, the Deliverer from evil of all men till His will decides otherwise.
Men take all sorts of risks and encounter all kinds of problems during their lives and God often intervenes to preserve them.
In the case of believers His hand is much more strongly in their favour especially in response to prayer.
1Tim.4:9-11. Concordant explanation:
There are three “faithful sayings” in this epistle (1:15, 3:1, 4:9). These should be especially heeded and enforced. There is a logical relation between this one and the first. If Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and has saved the foremost, it follows that, since all men are sinners, He is the Saviour of all mankind. At present this takes effect only in those who believe: the rest are not saved until the consummation. Worthy of all welcome as this faithful saying is, it led Paul into reproach. Nevertheless, he charged Timothy: These things be charging and teaching.
CO,
So because he came to save sinners and all men are sinners thus all are saved.
What simplistic nonsense.
Spare me!I can't help you if you continue to use your human wisdom, instead of scripture. It's a sure way to failure, change direction!
CO,
Why add to what is written?
Scripture never says all men will be saved.
Adding inferences to what is written produces falsehood.
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